Okay, so this makes sense. Again, I wasn’t completely sure I was correct (just wasn’t sure you were correct either). Wanted a better explanation to change my view.
I think my view of the process was incorrect in that I was thinking in terms of gases. If we were pulling vacuum with a syringe and pulling out of a vial filled with a gas, then I would be correct as you could not maintain vacuum. With a liquid you should be able to maintain vacuum (what I was missing).
That makes a lot more sense now (you thinking of it in terms of gasses instead of fixed-volume fluids). Yes, there you would of course be able to maintain the pressure differential longer with a higher volume of course.
My job is is in IT (computers). I know I’ve posted in other threads (probably something related to lab ranges) about some of the work I’ve done with medical/pharmaceutical lab computer systems.
My education was in computer engineering, balanced with a pre-med focus on the hard sciences.
Well for an IT guy you have a good understanding of physics it seems (probably more from the hard sciences and computer engineering). I am a bit embarrassed about my error, but hey it happens to everyone.
Thanks for taking the time to correct me. Otherwise I would keep going with this incorrect thinking.
No worries man. Nothing to be embarrassed about at all.
Yeah, It’s not all about day-job stuff. I’m a bit of a chameleon/renaissance man. I’ve done a bunch of techy/nerdy projects/hobbies over the years. Several of them aviation related, so Dex wasn’t entirely off base either. On the other hand I’m far from a total introvert as I’m into a few rec / club / social level sports groups.
Certainly I love a world of order and absolutes…which TRT isn’t. LOLZ.
Oh yeah i think my Endo was trying to sell me on androgel just like my PCP did when first considered TRT…he said cypionate isn’t made for everyday and androgel is…it did get me wondering though…why do we take cypionate everyday instead of propionate?
A dealer friend has told me before primo has no side effects on HDL, and blood counts in 100-200mg weekly dosages. Sounds too good to be true, otherwise everyone onnTRT should be on it
There still seem to be daily fluctuations with prop, some people can feel it quite a bit. E and C seem to be good middle ground and work for most people.
I could also not understand scientifically what is the issue with propinate except maybe for many people the half life is much shorter. But every day injections with long esters is the gold standard for me
People don’t always adequately account for the Esther weight difference of prop and even given equal T to T, prop will create a higher spike so should be backed off further.
Propionate hurts like a MF. And the ester half life is so short you need daily or EOD injections to keep any test in your system. Can be good for bodybuilding to get to peak levels quick. And can get out of system quicker if drug tested.
@Emcon456
Pinning a long ester daily in theory should keep your peak and trough about the same throughout the day. Pinning Prop daily is the same concept as pinning cypionate twice a week (for visualization purposes). There’s more fluctuation.
For instance 200mg cypionate pinned once weekly may have my levels at 3000 at peak & 1000 at trough. Doing daily shots keeps my levels at 2000 at all times. Prop has a short half-life so even with frequent injections there will be more of a peak & trough.
Not really… what would the point be. Getting jacked isn’t correlated with symptom relief. Primo, if it doesn’t affect HDL/LDL is probably one of the safer compounds one can take though, very little literature exists aside from anecdote and one study finding 1200mg weekly in women to be well tolerated
I still don’t understand why prop isn’t used more often especially with this move by a lot guys to daily pinning. Nobody in the world has naturally ‘stable’ T levels. It’s pulsatile. It defies logic that a longer ester would be better. Yes if pinning less frequently, but daily no way.
Just tweak the dose lower a bit to account for ester weight and half life. I think a lot of guys are missing out. And prop doesn’t burn. Shoot it shallow IM with a slin pin. I do it daily with no pain.
@blizzardtest
Everyone that has come here and tried Prop went back to Cypionate & Enanthate. With daily injections it’s not about just wanting to pin more often its about pinning a long ester for more often to keep levels as steady as they can be. Like taking small dosage time release pills daily. Regardless of whether normal people have steady levels I feel best using this protocol. I personally am not doing it to mimic normal function.
@dextermorgan
Yeah I hear you. I’m more just curious why this is. It just doesn’t make sense to me. The question is more rhetorical and not directed at you. And not everyone that has come here went back to cyp, I’ve been doing prop for 2 years now.
One experienced doctor has told me that yes, natural t is pulsatile, but for whatever reason when men are on exogenous T they feel better when levels are more constant and less fluctuating. Still the science seems to have not discovered the reason for that
Dang so I ran into a problem with that Endo. He sent 100mg/week script to pharmacy cause he’s able to see script history so he’s just coninuing with what PCP is prescribing…I gave them a call and he’ll call me tomorrow morning. I’m going to tell him I’m taking 200mg/week since August from PCP script + my own because 100mg is too low and I’m not feeling improvement but I am on 200.
Im also an IT guy here the game is very different