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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]666Rich wrote:
Agreed.

The political posturing behind such a minimum wage law is asanine. First, minimum wage jobs are low skilled. This means the staff is replaceable and you can generally invest in operational efficiency improvements if the cost of labor is increased.

The firms will either A) cut costs, which means higher unemployment or B) increase prices or C) both.

Now if we take a fast food example, they employ many of these low wage workers, who in turn are more likely to frequent these establishments through purchasing power parity, lack of nutritional knowledge or accessible grocery stores. So now, these same people will face greater prospects of unemployment, and higher prices at wendy’s. [/quote]

I agree it is posturing , I however think it would be the prudent thing to do . Maybe if Wendy’s had to charge more people would quit eating there and eat some real food. That would open a whole new economy [/quote]

So you would have Wendt’s go out of business? How many jobs would that kill?[/quote]

You act as if Wendy’s went out of business people would starve to death. IMO Ma and PA Burger joints would be able to compete. I doubt any big people would go out of business . I agree some industries would be hit harder than others . But what you would see is small business and self employed flourish .

Nice to see you post intelligently :slight_smile:
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You act as if the Steel companies go out of business people would starve to death. Wendy’s is a large company that employs a lot of entry level people. Just like the Steel industry did. The difference is Wendy’s does not have any union employees getting paid 4 times what they should be paid. Maybe at $9.00 an hour they would be paid 4 times what they should be paid.[/quote]

This is exactly what I meant Pitt, companies employ MANY first timers into the job market…that’s WHY they make $9 an hour. You have to start someplace and what you are advocating would make those companies go out of business.

Can’t you see that?

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
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I personally think all Corporations should be tax exempt

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Really? We are on the same page then.

On the topic of WalMart they did it cheaper not by their tax breaks but their ability to force their suppliers to cut their costs because of WalMarts huge buying powers. WalMart then passed the savings to customers. Small Ma and Pa stores do not have this economy of scales that WalMart has.[/quote]

I am sure we are on the same page Walmart may get the good buys and pass them along , But they also get tax breaks and incentives that Ma and Pa do not . That is what I am talking about

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
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I personally think all Corporations should be tax exempt

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Really? We are on the same page then.

On the topic of WalMart they did it cheaper not by their tax breaks but their ability to force their suppliers to cut their costs because of WalMarts huge buying powers. WalMart then passed the savings to customers. Small Ma and Pa stores do not have this economy of scales that WalMart has.[/quote]

I am sure we are on the same page Walmart may get the good buys and pass them along , But they also get tax breaks and incentives that Ma and Pa do not . That is what I am talking about
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I know that is what you are talking about, but taxes are not where the lions share of profits come from. You do not make a business decision based on taxes because tax law changes all the time. You make business decisions on whether a business is profitable. Taxes are charged on profits not revenue. This is the big difference between businesses and individuals. Businesses are taxed on profits and Individuals are taxed on revenue. This is how the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]666Rich wrote:
Agreed.

The political posturing behind such a minimum wage law is asanine. First, minimum wage jobs are low skilled. This means the staff is replaceable and you can generally invest in operational efficiency improvements if the cost of labor is increased.

The firms will either A) cut costs, which means higher unemployment or B) increase prices or C) both.

Now if we take a fast food example, they employ many of these low wage workers, who in turn are more likely to frequent these establishments through purchasing power parity, lack of nutritional knowledge or accessible grocery stores. So now, these same people will face greater prospects of unemployment, and higher prices at wendy’s. [/quote]

I agree it is posturing , I however think it would be the prudent thing to do . Maybe if Wendy’s had to charge more people would quit eating there and eat some real food. That would open a whole new economy [/quote]

So you would have Wendt’s go out of business? How many jobs would that kill?[/quote]

You act as if Wendy’s went out of business people would starve to death. IMO Ma and PA Burger joints would be able to compete. I doubt any big people would go out of business . I agree some industries would be hit harder than others . But what you would see is small business and self employed flourish .

Nice to see you post intelligently :slight_smile:
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You act as if the Steel companies go out of business people would starve to death. Wendy’s is a large company that employs a lot of entry level people. Just like the Steel industry did. The difference is Wendy’s does not have any union employees getting paid 4 times what they should be paid. Maybe at $9.00 an hour they would be paid 4 times what they should be paid.[/quote]

This is exactly what I meant Pitt, companies employ MANY first timers into the job market…that’s WHY they make $9 an hour. You have to start someplace and what you are advocating would make those companies go out of business.

Can’t you see that?[/quote]

Yes I see that and if the only people making minimum wage were first time job applicants I would go along with that.

When I walk though Wally World I see old people too old to compete for a job that is demanding I see Mothers supporting their family all by them self ,Other than the welfare benefits we give them because Wally World does not pay enough .

There are more Workers than there are jobs . Supply and demand allows these employers to get cheaper and cheaper labor all the while treat the employee worse and worse. And in my opinion it will only get worse .

The biggest way to get jobs in America is take them from other countries. I think a zero percent corporate rate would be an excellent start. Tax the people first 30 k for every one tax free. from 30 to 50 k taxed at 10% and so on

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

The biggest way to get jobs in America is take them from other countries. [/quote]

This is limited thinking, in that you are limiting your options to the current size of the “pie”. That is part of the problem.

Assuming the wealth pie is some set size that cannot grow is a fallacy. We can grow the pie.

Innovation would serve the US in the job market much better than trying to poach jobs that are in other countries in the first place for valid economic reasons.

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http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/11/03/360185/30-corporations-no-taxes/

I know Beans :slight_smile:

my point in posting this is that if you are in competition with one of these companies , you are at ahuge disadvantage . This is JUST a list of non paying not a list of companies that pay less than all their competition

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

The biggest way to get jobs in America is take them from other countries. [/quote]

This is limited thinking, in that you are limiting your options to the current size of the “pie”. That is part of the problem.

Assuming the wealth pie is some set size that cannot grow is a fallacy. We can grow the pie.

Innovation would serve the US in the job market much better than trying to poach jobs that are in other countries in the first place for valid economic reasons. [/quote]

It is not totally set but barring some new industry or demand or wealth it is set

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wish me luck , i am hoping to be too busy to talk for 4 days

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/11/03/360185/30-corporations-no-taxes/

I know Beans :slight_smile:

my point in posting this is that if you are in competition with one of these companies , you are at ahuge disadvantage . This is JUST a list of non paying not a list of companies that pay less than all their competition[/quote]

Quickly looking at the “study” this “article” is using I could rip it apart if I had the time, or motivation to read through 71 pages of left propoganda.

I will tell you right now, comparing the profits on issued financials to tax payments is disingenious and only a moron or someone with an agenda would do so. They appear to be doing this.

If someone sends me $250 I will attempt to destroy this study. But I’m not wasting my time on it for free.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/11/03/360185/30-corporations-no-taxes/

I know Beans :slight_smile:

my point in posting this is that if you are in competition with one of these companies , you are at ahuge disadvantage . This is JUST a list of non paying not a list of companies that pay less than all their competition[/quote]

I wonder how much money these corporations lost from 2007-2009? This might explain how they got off from paying taxes. For GE it was because Obama and the Democrats gave them a big tax credit for producing green energy projects.

I really wish they would allow corporations to be tax exempt. That would free up a bunch of cash to create more jobs, but Obama and the Democrats would prefer to demonize than innovate.

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I looked a little harder.

The people who did this study are both idiots, ignorant and have an agenda.

I could destroy this, but it will cost more $250, because there is an awful lot of bullshit to shovel here.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
wish me luck , i am hoping to be too busy to talk for 4 days [/quote]

Pittbull when you get back see if you recognize this girl.

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[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
wish me luck , i am hoping to be too busy to talk for 4 days [/quote]

Pittbull when you get back see if you recognize this girl.
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That is my first love , I am surprised you still have her pict:) Thax

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Damn You may be right Dog :slight_smile:

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I think you are :slight_smile: