Weight Loss Rant

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[quote]KcThrows wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
Fact: It’s NOT expensive to eat healthy food. Fuck you fat people, go learn something about nutrition other than what size drink you can fit in your cup holder.

To whoever posted the story about the fat ass on the scouter eating candy talking shit about having a smoke, you really should have pushed her over. [/quote]

People shop with the basic instinctive drive to get bang for buck. Calorie dense foods that are fast and easy to eat.

It may not be expensive to eat healthy but it is definitely cheaper and easier to eat badly.

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Coming from a family of 8, this is absolutely true. Especially when one has to shop with a lot of coupons!
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I don’t know. When I was first living on my own I had to stretch my food dollars a fair bit. I basically lived off brown rice (LOTS of brown rice), broccoli, seasonal fruit, canned tuna, eggs (at no cost as I lived on a farm, but cheap enough to buy), bread and dairy (expired, free from the store), peanut butter and very cheap cuts of meat on sale. Only water, coffee and occasionally beer to drink.

My food cost was $3-5/day and I don’t see how could have done it for much less on convenience food. It would be difficult to get fat eating like that and it requires no special, esoteric knowledge of nutritional principles and very little prep and cooking time.

Was it boring? Yup. Would it be a battle to get a finicky kid to eat? Abso-friggin-lutely. However it was by no means expensive or difficult to get done. I don’t say this to criticize anyone who resorts to convenience food as a result of circumstances.

Life’s a bitch and sometimes KD is the easiest solution. No judgments here. I just mean to refute the cost argument because it’s something that I hear trotted out a lot (not necessarily on these boards, but generally).

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[quote]batman730 wrote:

Life’s a bitch and sometimes KD is the easiest solution. No judgments here. I just mean to refute the cost argument because it’s something that I hear trotted out a lot (not necessarily on these boards, but generally).[/quote]

Look at the cost of a head of romaine lettuce or some of those mega navel oranges. Weigh it, then calculate the calories per cent.

Now look at an economy sized box of similar price mac&cheeze. Do the same.

Get back to me with the price difference per cal.

I’ve built a few grocery stores ranging from Costco to Save-A-Lot, and when you look at the allocations of space per product type you will see an alarming difference. The produce sections and selections of better foods in higher end grocery stores are absolutely massive compared to those of the bottom end stores(which may have one or two small produce kiosks). They aren’t going to waste time and money, or space stocking costly foods that expire quickly.

Yours is a good example, and I’ve eaten well on the cheap too, but that is far from the norm.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

Life’s a bitch and sometimes KD is the easiest solution. No judgments here. I just mean to refute the cost argument because it’s something that I hear trotted out a lot (not necessarily on these boards, but generally).[/quote]

Look at the cost of a head of romaine lettuce or some of those mega navel oranges. Weigh it, then calculate the calories per cent.

Now look at an economy sized box of similar price mac&cheeze. Do the same.

Get back to me with the price difference per cal.

I’ve built a few grocery stores ranging from Costco to Save-A-Lot, and when you look at the allocations of space per product type you will see an alarming difference. The produce sections and selections of better foods in higher end grocery stores are absolutely massive compared to those of the bottom end stores(which may have one or two small produce kiosks). They aren’t going to waste time and money, or space stocking costly foods that expire quickly.

Yours is a good example, and I’ve eaten well on the cheap too, but that is far from the norm.

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I bet someone has already done it, but examining square feet allocated to “healthy and unhealthy foods” in grocery stores. Then throwing in demographic and geographic factors would be even more interesting.

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[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

Life’s a bitch and sometimes KD is the easiest solution. No judgments here. I just mean to refute the cost argument because it’s something that I hear trotted out a lot (not necessarily on these boards, but generally).[/quote]

Look at the cost of a head of romaine lettuce or some of those mega navel oranges. Weigh it, then calculate the calories per cent.

Now look at an economy sized box of similar price mac&cheeze. Do the same.

Get back to me with the price difference per cal.

I’ve built a few grocery stores ranging from Costco to Save-A-Lot, and when you look at the allocations of space per product type you will see an alarming difference. The produce sections and selections of better foods in higher end grocery stores are absolutely massive compared to those of the bottom end stores(which may have one or two small produce kiosks). They aren’t going to waste time and money, or space stocking costly foods that expire quickly.

Yours is a good example, and I’ve eaten well on the cheap too, but that is far from the norm.

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I bet someone has already done it, but examining square feet allocated to “healthy and unhealthy foods” in grocery stores. Then throwing in demographic and geographic factors would be even more interesting.
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The ADA has done it. I’ve read those studies too. I’m just being diplomatic about a previously stated “fact”.

Another good example, although far from the norm- Local grocery chain Giant Eagle has their top end Market District stores in the more affluent communities around Pittsburgh. They carry gourmet items like morell and chantarelle mushrooms that reach up into the $150-$200.00/lb. range.

Items like that wouldn’t be available in the wildest dreams of the shoppers in the bottom end chains.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

Life’s a bitch and sometimes KD is the easiest solution. No judgments here. I just mean to refute the cost argument because it’s something that I hear trotted out a lot (not necessarily on these boards, but generally).[/quote]

Look at the cost of a head of romaine lettuce or some of those mega navel oranges. Weigh it, then calculate the calories per cent.

Now look at an economy sized box of similar price mac&cheeze. Do the same.

Get back to me with the price difference per cal.

I’ve built a few grocery stores ranging from Costco to Save-A-Lot, and when you look at the allocations of space per product type you will see an alarming difference. The produce sections and selections of better foods in higher end grocery stores are absolutely massive compared to those of the bottom end stores(which may have one or two small produce kiosks). They aren’t going to waste time and money, or space stocking costly foods that expire quickly.

Yours is a good example, and I’ve eaten well on the cheap too, but that is far from the norm.

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Well, I’m probably not actually going to do the math. I’m prepared to accept that your cal/$ analysis is accurate. I also absolutely agree that the whole food retail industry is absolutely set up to promote poor eating habits and foster destructive food addictions. I also accept that economics are definitely a significant factor.

Nonetheless, I refuse to accept that it is significantly cost prohibitive to eat reasonably well, even on a very strict budget. Carrots, potatoes, onions, celery, canned tomatoes and ground beef in a slow cooker puts stick to your ribs calories on the table at a very reasonable cost with very little effort. If you want to talk about ease, appeal, feelings of stimulation/satisfaction from food, that’s a whole other thing.

I hear again and again how people can’t afford to eat healthy and then they turn around drop $80 on a carton of smokes (smokes are expensive here in Canada), 40 bucks on booze (booze is pricey here too) and $30 on a bucket of chicken and sodas for a single meal on welfare Wednesday. Again, no judgments, but money isn’t the main motivator IMO. It’s fine with me if that’s what someone prefers to do, we’re all grown ups. However, let’s not kid ourselves that it’s because The Man is keeping them down. It’s a question of priorities and motivation and that will always be up to the individual.

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A lot of people moaning about how you can hate on fat people, you’ve given up that quickly?

Fat people, not the jolly types, should be pointed at and laughed out of the place.

  • They take up more resources

  • Building codes and regulations have to change to accommodate them

  • Ever been stuck behind a fat fuck in a serious situation? I have. Not a good time to block an entire emergency exit with you and your fat fuck family

  • They damage things more easily

  • They’re clumsy and useless

  • They’re entitled like spoilt hot women

  • They always complain

  • They are becoming a big issue with the nations healthcare. Fat people in England are now demanding the NHS help them, entitled much?

  • They also stink and have disgusting appetites

  • They’re the biggest cockblockers on nights out

  • They’re a pain in the ass in nightclubs and bars - Oh excuse me sir, you;re taking up the space of 4 people at the bar, get the fuck out

Its easy to hate on these types and why shouldn’t I? They are the epitome of greed, something they would learn about if they were in Africa or Asia where they’d have to fend for themselves.

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Hey guys, sorry I havent responded to anythign, was actually away on business up in NY for a new cruise ship Inaugural(work in the cruise industry).

LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, if you ever want to see the nature of the obese, go on a cruise ship! You should have seen some of the eating going on during only a 2 day industry event, oh my.

Worst part was my poor girlfriend is currently on contest prep so we had to run to the buffet every 2-3 hours to grab chicken and sweet potatoes only to watch the heards of buffalos coming and going with plates full of pizza/french fries/pasta/ice cream etc. Something about being on a cruise ship that make people go nuts.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

Worst part was my poor girlfriend is currently on contest prep so we had to run to the buffet every 2-3 hours to grab chicken and sweet potatoes only to watch the heards of buffalos coming and going with plates full of pizza/french fries/pasta/ice cream etc. Something about being on a cruise ship that make people go nuts.[/quote]

Lol@“Herd of buffalos”… ha ha ha… That made me spit out my coffee!

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What I find the most amusing is how so many will focus on irrelevancies when trying to achieve their goal.

Take the gent in this photo. I’ve never met him, I don’t know what his motivation is, but I’ve met so many people built like this who insist on getting the go-faster clothes, spend 1000’s on the super bike, and then ride it 5k to the nearest cafe.

You wanna go faster…losing 10k of body weight will help a hell of a lot more than buying the best equipment.

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[quote]MartyMonster wrote:
What I find the most amusing is how so many will focus on irrelevancies when trying to achieve their goal.

Take the gent in this photo. I’ve never met him, I don’t know what his motivation is, but I’ve met so many people built like this who insist on getting the go-faster clothes, spend 1000’s on the super bike, and then ride it 5k to the nearest cafe.

You wanna go faster…losing 10k of body weight will help a hell of a lot more than buying the best equipment.[/quote]

Yeah, like when overweight people wont eat carrots in their salads because of the sugar content…

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]MartyMonster wrote:
What I find the most amusing is how so many will focus on irrelevancies when trying to achieve their goal.

Take the gent in this photo. I’ve never met him, I don’t know what his motivation is, but I’ve met so many people built like this who insist on getting the go-faster clothes, spend 1000’s on the super bike, and then ride it 5k to the nearest cafe.

You wanna go faster…losing 10k of body weight will help a hell of a lot more than buying the best equipment.[/quote]

Yeah, like when overweight people wont eat carrots in their salads because of the sugar content… [/quote]

A guy told my friend not to add tomatoes to his salad because they can cause water retention… my friend is 160lbs and 20%bf.

facepalm.jpg

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]MartyMonster wrote:
What I find the most amusing is how so many will focus on irrelevancies when trying to achieve their goal.

Take the gent in this photo. I’ve never met him, I don’t know what his motivation is, but I’ve met so many people built like this who insist on getting the go-faster clothes, spend 1000’s on the super bike, and then ride it 5k to the nearest cafe.

You wanna go faster…losing 10k of body weight will help a hell of a lot more than buying the best equipment.[/quote]

Yeah, like when overweight people wont eat carrots in their salads because of the sugar content… [/quote]

Ahh, the diets that never work…a perennial favorite.

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While there are the destitute poor who can’t afford anything but highly processed foods, I believe it’s time and convenience that are the main drivers of food choices, not cost.

Fresh food takes time to prepare, might have a higher tendency to be rejected by finicky kids, and requires some basic kitchen knowledge to prepare well. On the other hand, frozen chicken nuggets and mac and cheese takes no knowledge, can be kept for months in the freezer or cupboard, and is engineered precisely for the tastes of your typical 8 year old.

After a long day at work, the harried parent can stop by the (crowded) grocery store to pick up a pork tenderloin, quinoa, and broccoli, then have to come home and prepare all of it while also dealing with kids who may or may not like it, or the parent can save 45 minutes of shopping and prep time by picking up McDonalds on the way home.

Frankly, McDonalds is not only the easier choice, but also the more rational one.

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
While there are the destitute poor who can’t afford anything but highly processed foods, I believe it’s time and convenience that are the main drivers of food choices, not cost.

Fresh food takes time to prepare, might have a higher tendency to be rejected by finicky kids, and requires some basic kitchen knowledge to prepare well. On the other hand, frozen chicken nuggets and mac and cheese takes no knowledge, can be kept for months in the freezer or cupboard, and is engineered precisely for the tastes of your typical 8 year old.

After a long day at work, the harried parent can stop by the (crowded) grocery store to pick up a pork tenderloin, quinoa, and broccoli, then have to come home and prepare all of it while also dealing with kids who may or may not like it, or the parent can save 45 minutes of shopping and prep time by picking up McDonalds on the way home.

Frankly, McDonalds is not only the easier choice, but also the more rational one.[/quote]

Ease of use.

If you were to take away microwaves and grills for a month and closed down the fast food joints, how many people would go crazy?

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[quote]harrypotter wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
While there are the destitute poor who can’t afford anything but highly processed foods, I believe it’s time and convenience that are the main drivers of food choices, not cost.

Fresh food takes time to prepare, might have a higher tendency to be rejected by finicky kids, and requires some basic kitchen knowledge to prepare well. On the other hand, frozen chicken nuggets and mac and cheese takes no knowledge, can be kept for months in the freezer or cupboard, and is engineered precisely for the tastes of your typical 8 year old.

After a long day at work, the harried parent can stop by the (crowded) grocery store to pick up a pork tenderloin, quinoa, and broccoli, then have to come home and prepare all of it while also dealing with kids who may or may not like it, or the parent can save 45 minutes of shopping and prep time by picking up McDonalds on the way home.

Frankly, McDonalds is not only the easier choice, but also the more rational one.[/quote]

Ease of use.

If you were to take away microwaves and grills for a month and closed down the fast food joints, how many people would go crazy?
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Or starve to death for that matter. It amazes me how many people cannot cook and make a joke out of it.

“I can’t cook LOLZ. MICDONULDZ OM NOM”

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[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:

[quote]harrypotter wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
While there are the destitute poor who can’t afford anything but highly processed foods, I believe it’s time and convenience that are the main drivers of food choices, not cost.

Fresh food takes time to prepare, might have a higher tendency to be rejected by finicky kids, and requires some basic kitchen knowledge to prepare well. On the other hand, frozen chicken nuggets and mac and cheese takes no knowledge, can be kept for months in the freezer or cupboard, and is engineered precisely for the tastes of your typical 8 year old.

After a long day at work, the harried parent can stop by the (crowded) grocery store to pick up a pork tenderloin, quinoa, and broccoli, then have to come home and prepare all of it while also dealing with kids who may or may not like it, or the parent can save 45 minutes of shopping and prep time by picking up McDonalds on the way home.

Frankly, McDonalds is not only the easier choice, but also the more rational one.[/quote]

Ease of use.

If you were to take away microwaves and grills for a month and closed down the fast food joints, how many people would go crazy?
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Or starve to death for that matter. It amazes me how many people cannot cook and make a joke out of it.

“I can’t cook LOLZ. MICDONULDZ OM NOM”[/quote]

I actually enjoy cooking, food makes people happy, whether its fresh and healthy or fast. I like making people happy when i cook.

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[quote]harrypotter wrote:
A lot of people moaning about how you can hate on fat people, you’ve given up that quickly?

Fat people, not the jolly types, should be pointed at and laughed out of the place.

  • They take up more resources

  • Building codes and regulations have to change to accommodate them

  • Ever been stuck behind a fat fuck in a serious situation? I have. Not a good time to block an entire emergency exit with you and your fat fuck family

  • They damage things more easily

  • They’re clumsy and useless

  • They’re entitled like spoilt hot women

  • They always complain

  • They are becoming a big issue with the nations healthcare. Fat people in England are now demanding the NHS help them, entitled much?

  • They also stink and have disgusting appetites

  • They’re the biggest cockblockers on nights out

  • They’re a pain in the ass in nightclubs and bars - Oh excuse me sir, you;re taking up the space of 4 people at the bar, get the fuck out

Its easy to hate on these types and why shouldn’t I? They are the epitome of greed, something they would learn about if they were in Africa or Asia where they’d have to fend for themselves.[/quote]
agreed x2
in addition
-I grew up around family who are alcoholics. does that give me the right to get shitfaced everyday? does it give the right to drive drunk? people should have self control.
-the argument about fatty food being cheaper is a cop out. 1800 calories of burger king cheeseburgers every day will not make a person obese.
-The problem is obese people massively overeat and then are in denial about it. I know a fat guy who drinks soda daily. He also says he does not eat very much but his wife says he eats a dessert every night before bed and sometimes after she cooks him dinner he still goes and buys a cheeseburger after because he was not full.
-also lot of fat people do ZERO exercise. people are not meant to sit on there ass all day. what do you expect to happen?

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Is this turning into an FPS T-Nation thread? Because if so, I like it and will enjoy it greatly.