[quote]Rocky2 wrote:
Disregarding all economic factors, I would love to see cigarettes, and any similar products, banned.[/quote]
I can relate to banning them in public , but not in private [/quote]
I can see them being banned in privately owned establishments at the discretion of the owner. Not so much in public. The smoker pays taxes too.[/quote]
Smokers pay taxes but I do not want to breath your smoke unless it gives me a buzz:)
what is all this talk about legalizing and taxing
i want rich peoples taxes to subsidize my pot
about growing your own.
Gonzales v. Raich states that congress basically has the right to regulate anything. In this case it was marijuana growing within the state of California. They basically use the interstate commerce act to do this. Pretty alarming since they could essentially use the exact same argument to keep you from growing tomatoes in your back yard since it effects interstate commerce as well . . .
I have also long believed that the legalization would usher in the collapse of the marijuana market as we know it. All it would take is one Iowa farmer to stop growing corn, and start growing pot and he could supply the nation with more than enough hash from the resultant crop for pennies on the dollar of what it costs today. Sure there would still be people that will want there various varieties, but all in all it would be far cheaper.
[quote]Rocky2 wrote:
Disregarding all economic factors, I would love to see cigarettes, and any similar products, banned.[/quote]
I can relate to banning them in public , but not in private [/quote]
I can see them being banned in privately owned establishments at the discretion of the owner. Not so much in public. The smoker pays taxes too.[/quote]
Smokers pay taxes but I do not want to breath your smoke unless it gives me a buzz:)[/quote]
I don’t personally smoke tobacco.
It’s still public space, and there are much worse things than a smoker.
As some of you have also mentioned, I support the right to do whatever the hell you want with your own body.
But as many of you also often mention, people should have a right to their property. Ideally that would mean low to no taxes. But seeing as the tax rate in Australia for my family is more than 43 cents per dollar, I’d rather tens of billions of that didn’t go toward healthcare for all the conditions associated with smoking.
When healthcare (or at least all tobacco/alcohol/drug-related healthcare) is no longer a burden on the state, I concede that people can smoke as much as they like and that weed and anything else should certainly be legalised.
[quote]Cameron_Phillips wrote:
As some of you have also mentioned, I support the right to do whatever the hell you want with your own body.
But as many of you also often mention, people should have a right to their property. Ideally that would mean low to no taxes. But seeing as the tax rate in Australia for my family is more than 43 cents per dollar, I’d rather tens of billions of that didn’t go toward healthcare for all the conditions associated with smoking.
When healthcare (or at least all tobacco/alcohol/drug-related healthcare) is no longer a burden on the state, I concede that people can smoke as much as they like and that weed and anything else should certainly be legalised.[/quote]
People who smoke tend to die. People who don’t go on to be old and dependent on the system.
Despite what you’ve been brainwashed into thinking, smokers cost you less than non smokers.
[quote]Cameron_Phillips wrote:
As some of you have also mentioned, I support the right to do whatever the hell you want with your own body.
But as many of you also often mention, people should have a right to their property. Ideally that would mean low to no taxes. But seeing as the tax rate in Australia for my family is more than 43 cents per dollar, I’d rather tens of billions of that didn’t go toward healthcare for all the conditions associated with smoking.
When healthcare (or at least all tobacco/alcohol/drug-related healthcare) is no longer a burden on the state, I concede that people can smoke as much as they like and that weed and anything else should certainly be legalised.[/quote]
People who smoke tend to die. People who don’t go on to be old and dependent on the system.
Despite what you’ve been brainwashed into thinking, smokers cost you less than non smokers.[/quote]
Not necessarily. Long term medical usage combined with a still longer lifespan than a few generations ago and you still get hefty costs. I’d like to see a comparison of non smoker’s health care expenses compared to smoker’s expenses.
Emphysema, cancer than can be arrested and treated. Allergies, bronchitis adds up over a lifetime.
I’m 46 and have had maybe 5 k of health care expenses in the last 25 years. One gall bladder operation.
[quote]Rocky2 wrote:
Disregarding all economic factors, I would love to see cigarettes, and any similar products, banned.[/quote]
Bad idea, when the government starts banning things they deem as “unhealthy,” when does it stop? Remember, these are people who think 50 grams of protein is enough for one day.
[quote]Rocky2 wrote:
Disregarding all economic factors, I would love to see cigarettes, and any similar products, banned.[/quote]
Bad idea, when the government starts banning things they deem as “unhealthy,” when does it stop? Remember, these are people who think 50 grams of protein is enough for one day. [/quote]
It’s a fair and obvious concession that they live shorter lives. But the detraction from the aforementioned healthcare costs of smoking would only be what the smoking population would have cost the healthcare system in their old age if they had lived the extra 1 - 3 decades. In 04-05 there were ~3.5 million smokers in Australia - ~17.5% of the population. Costing ~$32 billion - ~40% of the healthcare budget (granted not all of those are ‘tangible’ costs, and so probably didn’t come directly out of the healthcare budget).
However that’s beside the point. I think everyone should be directly responsible for their healthcare costs, which includes the very old - writing off your point about an expensive aging population somehow being an argument that tobacco and weed is totally okay even though taxes are paying the healthcare.
Over here we have ‘head shops’ growing as a business/phenomenon/problem depending on how you see it. these are shops where you can buy legal highs. The shit you get in the shops is pretty much the same as illegal drugs and is meant to have nest to the same affect. The stuff you get isn’t regulated and is sold cause of loopholes in the system e.g. ‘not for human consumption’ written on a bag of white powder called Blow. The stuff is meant to be seriously expensive but open access to all including kids.
Was just wondering if there’s anything like that over in the States.
Oh yeah I’m teetotal and i don’t approve of legalisation.
Side Note: in Kingston Jamaica where for most of the population weed is smoked as part of a religion a person is murdered every 6 hours
Side Note: in Kingston Jamaica where for most of the population weed is smoked as part of a religion a person is murdered every 6 hours[/quote]
That is probably due to poverty, not pot. Is the murder rate high for college campuses around the US. I didn’t think so. Legalization=regulation, Prohibition=death
