[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Where did I say that I want to re-educate you?[/quote]
But it’s my point of view of your point of view. Now spend 30 unproductive pages proving that this isn’t your point of view to me (anyone could say it isn’t), a guy who isn’t really even interested in your point of view (much like yourself), all the while never having even a chance of convincing me otherwise. So, who will it be in Iowa?
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You are making absolutely no sense, simply because my post is based on what your holy book says and implies. I didn’t make anything up here.
Why even come to forums? Your poor, stupid, blood-thirsty, Christian “parents and siblings” are but a phone call away, no? Perhaps, at least, your siblings? Does their stupidity, their level of brainwashing, make them incapable of holding a conversation about your-point-of-view-of-their point-of-view? Maybe like the rest of us, they too can not hope to keep up with your…their…somebody’s…point of view.
[quote]pgtips wrote:
The world would be a better place without religion. [/quote]
No, the world would be a better place if it were phased out slowly. To deny its measurable positive societal effects is just as stupid as clinging onto literalist interpretations in this day and age.
Religion has simply grown too large and into too much of an enterprise to be useful anymore.
[quote]Quick Ben wrote: <<< my understanding >>>[/quote]Which amounts to literally nothing… as usual with brainwashed bookworms. No offense. That’s actually a genuine term of endearment.
Come on man. Yer already on the defensive stumblin all over the place and we haven’t even started yet. Sloth and I disagree on … well… alot let’s say, but DO NOT underestimate him. OOPS!!! too late. You’ve already underestimated me too (for lack at this point of a better way of putting it). I’m telling you outright that you continue on this arrogant cocky path at your own peril, but that is not going to stop you from doing it.
If we go on I will have to radically correct absolutely everything you’ve said about Christianity to this point. I will also have to give you a definition of the one true and living God and I’ll tell you upfront that I have no interest in defending any God but Him. I have no interest in defending ideas ABOUT god or just general theism. My triumphant conquering King before whom you will bow as either adoring subject or convicted eternal capital felon is the only God I care to discuss.
See, I jist made your job a whole lot easier didn’t I? =] Do you wanna go on or do you wanna quit now?
Why have you chosen Christianity? There a dozens of religions in the world. Have you studied them all to know which is the best one?
Or have you chosen this one because it is the biggest one? Because many people believe in it? Because it has affected our culture the most?
How did you come to the conclusion that there would be one God and not many gods? Does it have to be God or could it be something else?
Do you believe because you think it is a logical thing to do because a God is a good explanation to the origin of the world? Though that doesn’t explain how God came to be or why it would have to be a Christian God.
It’s been said that there was no time before the Big Bang so that would kind of explain how God came to be. But you don’t believe in the Big Bang, do you?
I admit that I don’t know shit. No one can know anything about anything really. This is why I find it hard to understand why people would believe stuff. There is just as much logic in believing in unicorns as there is in believing in a god.
For all I know, unicorns created the world. Some bars of gold for this, please, pushharder.
[quote]pgtips wrote:
The world would be a better place without religion. [/quote]
No, the world would be a better place if it were phased out slowly. To deny its measurable positive societal effects is just as stupid as clinging onto literalist interpretations in this day and age.
Religion has simply grown too large and into too much of an enterprise to be useful anymore.[/quote]
Yes your right, I didn’t simply mean religion should dissapear in flash lol.
But I honestly think for humans to carry on developing (culturaly and psychologicaly) that religion does eventualy need to go. For all of religions good aspects, it is grealy overshadowed by the attrocieties it can cause and by its canny little nack of dividing whole groups of people.
[quote]Quick Ben wrote: <<< my understanding >>>[/quote]Which amounts to literally nothing… as usual with brainwashed bookworms. No offense. That’s actually a genuine term of endearment.
Come on man. Yer already on the defensive stumblin all over the place and we haven’t even started yet. Sloth and I disagree on … well… alot let’s say, but DO NOT underestimate him. OOPS!!! too late. You’ve already underestimated me too (for lack at this point of a better way of putting it). I’m telling you outright that you continue on this arrogant cocky path at your own peril, but that is not going to stop you from doing it.
If we go on I will have to radically correct absolutely everything you’ve said about Christianity to this point. I will also have to give you a definition of the one true and living God and I’ll tell you upfront that I have no interest in defending any God but Him. I have no interest in defending ideas ABOUT god or just general theism. My triumphant conquering King before whom you will bow as either adoring subject or convicted eternal capital felon is the only God I care to discuss.
See, I jist made your job a whole lot easier didn’t I? =] Do you wanna go on or do you wanna quit now? [/quote]
You have a real gift for jabbering on for pages without really saying anything. Your post there doesn’t say anything else than “I believe this to be true therefore it is.”
Convicted felon? In the christian point of view, I was BORN a felon. In fact DEAD in my sinful ways. The only way out, vicarious redemption through Jesus Christ. Born of a virgin, died and resurrected… and bla di bla di bla. What a horrible thing to teach children.
You will go on for 30 pages, and when it’s all over you’ll still be where you are now. Just let me ask you, in all your time here, how many people have you converted to your beliefs?
I’m not underestimating you, I think you are mentally ill. No offense.
But I honestly think for humans to carry on developing (culturaly and psychologicaly) that religion does eventualy need to go…[/quote]
Because Tuesday just HAS to be better than Monday. It comes after Monday, after all.
[quote] For all of religions good aspects, it is grealy overshadowed by the attrocieties it can cause and by its canny little nack of dividing whole groups of people.
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/Reads this part…Reads the sentence above…Now the sentence below…chuckles.
[quote]pgtips wrote:
The world would be a better place without religion. [/quote]
Prove it?[/quote]
I can’t.
Nobody can.
Nobody can prove that religion makes the world a better place.
Unless you think you can prove it?
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So if you cant provide any proof to your claim, why even making it?
ps. I am not a religious guy, so I dont claim the opposit of you. So I have nothing to prove.[/quote]
Religion is manipulation. It has been used by “bad” men in power. They have manipulated other people to do bad" things through religion. I don’t know of any religion that calls for “bad” things to be done.
But I honestly think for humans to carry on developing (culturaly and psychologicaly) that religion does eventualy need to go…[/quote]
Because Tuesday just HAS to be better than Monday. It comes after Monday, after all.
[quote] For all of religions good aspects, it is grealy overshadowed by the attrocieties it can cause and by its canny little nack of dividing whole groups of people.
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/Reads this part…Reads the sentence above…Now the sentence below…chuckles.
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Tuesday is usualy better than Monday. For me anyway.
In the second part I wasn’t neccesarily reffering to Christianity vs Non religious. I was reffering to religion as a whole.
For all of religions good INDIVIDUAL aspects, it is grealy overshadowed by the attrocieties it can cause and by its canny little nack of dividing whole groups of people.
[quote]pgtips wrote:
The world would be a better place without religion. [/quote]
Prove it?[/quote]
I can’t.
Nobody can.
Nobody can prove that religion makes the world a better place.
Unless you think you can prove it?
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So if you cant provide any proof to your claim, why even making it?
ps. I am not a religious guy, so I dont claim the opposit of you. So I have nothing to prove.[/quote]
Religion is manipulation. It has been used by “bad” men in power. They have manipulated other people to do bad" things through religion. I don’t know of any religion that calls for “bad” things to be done.[/quote]
As all idelogys or sets of ideas, religious idelogies can be used to manipulate people or legitimate horrible actions, but there are more to religion than that, as it is with other ideologies.
[quote]pgtips wrote:
The world would be a better place without religion. [/quote]
Prove it?[/quote]
I can’t.
Nobody can.
Nobody can prove that religion makes the world a better place.
Unless you think you can prove it?
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So if you cant provide any proof to your claim, why even making it?
ps. I am not a religious guy, so I dont claim the opposit of you. So I have nothing to prove.[/quote]
Fair enough.
I made the claim beause I think the world would be a better (saner, more peacefull) place without religion.
If I was to write out why it would be better
1 - I would be here all night because it is such a huge topic, with many provebial twists and turns.
2 - Every one of those proverbial twists and turns is going to be interpreted differently by other people, or completely overlooked.
3 - In relation to point one and two I would only be stating my opinion.
[quote]Quick Ben wrote:<<< You have a real gift for jabbering on for pages without really saying anything. Your post there doesn’t say anything else than “I believe this to be true therefore it is.” >>>[/quote]I haven’t attempted to say anything yet. I’m waiting for answers from you to the questions I’ve asked. [quote]Quick Ben wrote:<<< Convicted felon? In the christian point of view, I was BORN a felon. In fact DEAD in my sinful ways. The only way out, vicarious redemption through Jesus Christ. >>>[/quote] Oh now that’s a bit closer. You’ve been peekin somewhere and if not then Sloth is right and this thread was a troll job. [quote]Quick Ben wrote:<<< You will go on for 30 pages, and when it’s all over you’ll still be where you are now. >>>[/quote]Will not so there.(sticks tongue out)[quote]Quick Ben wrote:<<< Just let me ask you, in all your time here, how many people have you converted to your beliefs? >>>[/quote] I can’t convert anybody. That’s the Holy Spirit’s job. My job is to proclaim His Word. [quote]Quick Ben wrote:<<< I’m not underestimating you, I think you are mentally ill. No offense.[/quote]Excellent!!! Then I should be easy prey for a razor sharp post modern kid like you. Now you’re wastin my time. Alright I’ll ask you what I ask everybody. Wadda you know fer sher and why? That is not a trick question, but is in fact one of the major keys to the spiritual death that you yourself alluded to which you will see soon enough.
[quote]Raw Finn wrote:<<< I admit that I don’t know shit. No one can know anything about anything really. >>>[/quote]Hang on to that thought. This guy must be a secret student of Elder Forlife. You’ve said stuff like this before, but I wanna remind you again of how utterly profound and utterly true this is on the basis of any other system of belief except the one truly revealed by God Himself in the pages of the Christian scriptures. TRULY revealed that is. Well done sir and I am NOT being sarcastic.
Yeah I peeked somewhere, it’s called the bible. As I’ve said before I was raised on this stuff, though I’ll be the first to admit I don’t remember it all. I was 12 or so when I bucked the ole faith.
The OP is my honest perception of the christian god as portrayed in the bible. You say that I’m misinformed and that as soon as you point to the infallible truth of the almighty I’ll run screaming. Do the 20 question lead up to the moment of infallible truth?
I know that whatever you are trying to convince me of will require me to put aside my sense of reason and fairness. How is that for starters? You will tell me my sense of anything doesn’t matter, only god matters. We’re here for his amusement… which is what I wrote in my OP.
You have 12004 posts on a message board, your time is impossible to waste
[quote]Raw Finn wrote:<<< I admit that I don’t know shit. No one can know anything about anything really. >>>[/quote]Hang on to that thought. This guy must be a secret student of Elder Forlife. You’ve said stuff like this before, but I wanna remind you again of how utterly profound and utterly true this is on the basis of any other system of belief except the one truly revealed by God Himself in the pages of the Christian scriptures. TRULY revealed that is. Well done sir and I am NOT being sarcastic.
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Who the hell is Elder Forlife? There’s no such user on this website. So you are saying that God knows everything.
But you don’t want to answer to any of the questions I asked before in this thread?
