Was the Moon Landing a Hoax?

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
You and a couple other guys here are quintessential object lessons in what happens when a reasonably intelligent guy allows his mind to be polluted with bullshit ideology.

Its not like I am saying one shouldn’t do spend their own money on it. I am just saying I don’t want to pay for it and I should not be forced to pay for it. I really fail to see how that is bullshit.

On one hand you don’t mind stealing from people to support what you consider good but on the other hand you don’t like being stolen from when it comes to funding things you consider bad. Do you not see how it is YOU that is inconsistent – and therefore immoral.

At least my moral convictions are consistently against theft whereas yours can be swayed by politics. How sad for society as a whole, really.

If your “moral convictions” were so strong, you wouldn’t pop off all year about not consenting to being taxed… and then go file your tax return for April 15.

You, like all of your whining “anarchist” brethren, are full of shit. [/quote]

You are also one of the inconsistent ones who lacks any fundamental morality.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
You and a couple other guys here are quintessential object lessons in what happens when a reasonably intelligent guy allows his mind to be polluted with bullshit ideology.

Its not like I am saying one shouldn’t do spend their own money on it. I am just saying I don’t want to pay for it and I should not be forced to pay for it. I really fail to see how that is bullshit.

On one hand you don’t mind stealing from people to support what you consider good but on the other hand you don’t like being stolen from when it comes to funding things you consider bad. Do you not see how it is YOU that is inconsistent – and therefore immoral.

At least my moral convictions are consistently against theft whereas yours can be swayed by politics. How sad for society as a whole, really.

If your “moral convictions” were so strong, you wouldn’t pop off all year about not consenting to being taxed… and then go file your tax return for April 15.

You, like all of your whining “anarchist” brethren, are full of shit.

My wife is not prepared to go to jail for my convictions, nor am I prepared to tear apart my family for my convictions. Though, I have convinced her that we can get away with lying about our taxable income…since we are both “self employed”. The government will never know how much I really make and I like it that way.

So, I protest the only way I can.

You are just angry because you do not know what to believe.[/quote]

I know what I believe. What I don’t believe in is some fairytale land where we’re all peaceful farmers who grow our sustenance but die of the flu at age 34. No thanks.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

I know what I believe. What I don’t believe in is some fairytale land where we’re all peaceful farmers who grow our sustenance but die of the flu at age 34. No thanks.[/quote]

Who has been espousing that we should live in such a place?

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I know what I believe. What I don’t believe in is some fairytale land where we’re all peaceful farmers who grow our sustenance but die of the flu at age 34. No thanks.[/quote]

I bet you think you know, but I also bet you question what you believe because you do not have a solid principle from which to judge what you believe to be truth or not – you rely on gut emotion – which is highly uncivilized.

And neither do I believe in fairytales where everyone is peaceful. If you had the ability to read and comprehend you would know what I believe. Either that or you just cherry pick what I say because it is convenient to you which fits you because is very characteristic of an immoral person. You do that quite often actually with other posters besides myself even.

So, you either lack the ability to read or you are immoral, or both. Ignorance I can live with, immorality I have a much harder time accepting.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
And still a fraction of what we’ve really wasted destroying ourselves with actual social welfare programs. Space exploration is one of the few things I don’t mind paying taxes for.

Buy a telescope and join a club. You would have more than enough space to keep you busy for a lifetime.

That’s it huh?

Well its not like you are going to ever be invited to go to space. Until we solve the problem of gravity there is no point in even thinking about it.

You and a couple other guys here are quintessential object lessons in what happens when a reasonably intelligent guy allows his mind to be polluted with bullshit ideology.[/quote]

And you and a few other guys here are an example of what happens when people believe that they alone have no ideology.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
And still a fraction of what we’ve really wasted destroying ourselves with actual social welfare programs. Space exploration is one of the few things I don’t mind paying taxes for.

Buy a telescope and join a club. You would have more than enough space to keep you busy for a lifetime.

That’s it huh?

Well its not like you are going to ever be invited to go to space. Until we solve the problem of gravity there is no point in even thinking about it.

You and a couple other guys here are quintessential object lessons in what happens when a reasonably intelligent guy allows his mind to be polluted with bullshit ideology.

And you and a few other guys here are an example of what happens when people believe that they alone have no ideology.
[/quote]

This forum used to be a traditional liberal vs. conserative board, filled with good arguments about important topics.

That has been replaced by constitutional republicans vs. anarachists of late, and it’s a goddamned shame. No good arguments come when one side has governments all over the world, while the other has just their theories and their wishes (about a system that, miraculously, never has worked in real life).

It’s a big fuckin shame.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
orion wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
And still a fraction of what we’ve really wasted destroying ourselves with actual social welfare programs. Space exploration is one of the few things I don’t mind paying taxes for.

Buy a telescope and join a club. You would have more than enough space to keep you busy for a lifetime.

That’s it huh?

Well its not like you are going to ever be invited to go to space. Until we solve the problem of gravity there is no point in even thinking about it.

You and a couple other guys here are quintessential object lessons in what happens when a reasonably intelligent guy allows his mind to be polluted with bullshit ideology.

And you and a few other guys here are an example of what happens when people believe that they alone have no ideology.

This forum used to be a traditional liberal vs. conserative board, filled with good arguments about important topics.

That has been replaced by constitutional republicans vs. anarachists of late, and it’s a goddamned shame. No good arguments come when one side has governments all over the world, while the other has just their theories and their wishes (about a system that, miraculously, never has worked in real life).

It’s a big fuckin shame.[/quote]

As far as I know we only have 1 or 2 anarchists.

Yall are to blame because you scare away all the hardcore lefties.

Anyhow, LM is fun because he pokes you where its seems to be at least irritating.

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[quote]orion wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
orion wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
And still a fraction of what we’ve really wasted destroying ourselves with actual social welfare programs. Space exploration is one of the few things I don’t mind paying taxes for.

Buy a telescope and join a club. You would have more than enough space to keep you busy for a lifetime.

That’s it huh?

Well its not like you are going to ever be invited to go to space. Until we solve the problem of gravity there is no point in even thinking about it.

You and a couple other guys here are quintessential object lessons in what happens when a reasonably intelligent guy allows his mind to be polluted with bullshit ideology.

And you and a few other guys here are an example of what happens when people believe that they alone have no ideology.

This forum used to be a traditional liberal vs. conserative board, filled with good arguments about important topics.

That has been replaced by constitutional republicans vs. anarachists of late, and it’s a goddamned shame. No good arguments come when one side has governments all over the world, while the other has just their theories and their wishes (about a system that, miraculously, never has worked in real life).

It’s a big fuckin shame.

As far as I know we only have 1 or 2 anarchists.

Yall are to blame because you scare away all the hardcore lefties.

Anyhow, LM is fun because he pokes you where its seems to be at least irritating.

[/quote]

There are more than that I think. And if not, they’ve certainly been the loudest recently.

And I’m not sure how I scare away lefties.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
orion wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
And still a fraction of what we’ve really wasted destroying ourselves with actual social welfare programs. Space exploration is one of the few things I don’t mind paying taxes for.

Buy a telescope and join a club. You would have more than enough space to keep you busy for a lifetime.

That’s it huh?

Well its not like you are going to ever be invited to go to space. Until we solve the problem of gravity there is no point in even thinking about it.

You and a couple other guys here are quintessential object lessons in what happens when a reasonably intelligent guy allows his mind to be polluted with bullshit ideology.

And you and a few other guys here are an example of what happens when people believe that they alone have no ideology.

This forum used to be a traditional liberal vs. conserative board, filled with good arguments about important topics.

That has been replaced by constitutional republicans vs. anarachists of late, and it’s a goddamned shame. No good arguments come when one side has governments all over the world, while the other has just their theories and their wishes (about a system that, miraculously, never has worked in real life).

It’s a big fuckin shame.[/quote]

Besides, anarchism is really the only ethically consistent opinion one can have.

Not that I share it, but at least I am ready to admit that I am perfectly willing to force people at gunpoint to fork the money over to at least finance a police and a military.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
orion wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
orion wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
And still a fraction of what we’ve really wasted destroying ourselves with actual social welfare programs. Space exploration is one of the few things I don’t mind paying taxes for.

Buy a telescope and join a club. You would have more than enough space to keep you busy for a lifetime.

That’s it huh?

Well its not like you are going to ever be invited to go to space. Until we solve the problem of gravity there is no point in even thinking about it.

You and a couple other guys here are quintessential object lessons in what happens when a reasonably intelligent guy allows his mind to be polluted with bullshit ideology.

And you and a few other guys here are an example of what happens when people believe that they alone have no ideology.

This forum used to be a traditional liberal vs. conserative board, filled with good arguments about important topics.

That has been replaced by constitutional republicans vs. anarachists of late, and it’s a goddamned shame. No good arguments come when one side has governments all over the world, while the other has just their theories and their wishes (about a system that, miraculously, never has worked in real life).

It’s a big fuckin shame.

As far as I know we only have 1 or 2 anarchists.

Yall are to blame because you scare away all the hardcore lefties.

Anyhow, LM is fun because he pokes you where its seems to be at least irritating.

There are more than that I think. And if not, they’ve certainly been the loudest recently.

And I’m not sure how I scare away lefties.[/quote]

Really?

I dare you to debate Ryan Carter on the necessity of private property.

Always fun to debate someone who simply will not share the assumption you take for granted.

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[quote]orion wrote:

Really?

I dare you to debate Ryan Carter on the necessity of private property.

Always fun to debate someone who simply will not share the assumption you take for granted.

[/quote]

That may be. But there used to be strong left-wing posters here that would not quite venture into communism but certainly were liberal.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
orion wrote:

Really?

I dare you to debate Ryan Carter on the necessity of private property.

Always fun to debate someone who simply will not share the assumption you take for granted.

That may be. But there used to be strong left-wing posters here that would not quite venture into communism but certainly were liberal.

[/quote]

Sure, and they always refused to see that you simply cannot be a “liberal” commie.

They have private property issues.

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“Again I have photo-shopped a line indicating the back of the set. One can see that there is a slight uprising behind the rover, which is hiding the bottom of the screen. Also notice that even though everything is in focus from the lunar rover to the mountains in the background, there is a strange change in the landscape of the ground right behind my lines. This is because the photo of the mountains being used on the Front Projection system has a slightly different ground texture than the set. As we go on we will see that this fingerprint is also consistent throughout the Apollo images.”

http://jayweidner.com/AlchemicalKubrickIIb.html

Now appears that the landing were faked. We visited the moon but what was there can’t be shown to us.

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[quote]orion wrote:
<<< And you and a few other guys here are an example of what happens when people believe that they alone have no ideology.
[/quote]

How bout if you point me to where I ever said, even once, that I have no ideology.

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For those who want to relive the glory.

http://gregnmary.gotdns.com:8080/index.php/topic,84.0.html

I captured it and posted it on the forum site I made for my wife. Just close the floating banner. It’s running on a machine sitting at my feet right now on a residential connection, but it should be able to handle a few simultaneous streams.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
For those who want to relive the glory.

http://gregnmary.gotdns.com:8080/index.php/topic,84.new.html#new

[/quote]

are you using dynamic DNS to host this or static IP?

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
For those who want to relive the glory.

http://gregnmary.gotdns.com:8080/index.php/topic,84.new.html#new

are you using dynamic DNS to host this or static IP?[/quote]

It’s dynamic, but it’s changed 3 times in the 8 years I’ve had this ISP.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

How bout if you point me to where I ever said, even once, that I have no ideology.[/quote]

I wouldn’t be too upset about such a claim - the word “ideology” was coined in Napoleonic times and was a school of thought that could “discover” a framework of systematized knowledge that could perfect society: think every radical obsessed with promising a perfect world governed by nothing but unrealistic abstractions, whether Left or Right (or anything else). Ideology, as it has been called by the sane, is the “science of idiocy” and “the politics of passionate unreason”.

“Ideology” has taken on a broader meaning now, of course - but when some Utopian airhead accuses you (the proverbial you) of not having an ideology, I’d call that a compliment.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:

How bout if you point me to where I ever said, even once, that I have no ideology.

I wouldn’t be too upset about such a claim - the word “ideology” was coined in Napoleonic times and was a school of thought that could “discover” a framework of systematized knowledge that could perfect society: think every radical obsessed with promising a perfect world governed by nothing but unrealistic abstractions, whether Left or Right (or anything else). Ideology, as it has been called by the sane, is the “science of idiocy” and “the politics of passionate unreason”.

“Ideology” has taken on a broader meaning now, of course - but when some Utopian airhead accuses you (the proverbial you) of not having an ideology, I’d call that a compliment.[/quote]

Fair enough. I was taking ideology to basically be a synonym for firmly held world view.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

Fair enough. I was taking ideology to basically be a synonym for firmly held world view.[/quote]

I ordinarily do too, but when Jacobin dilettantes like Orion or Lifticus accuse others of being “ideologically deficient”, I am reminded of that distinction.