[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
And it was “this country” that did it, so fuck yourself with that one.
You are wrong. It was a certain few individuals who collected tax monies that had the ability to do the work. “This country” does not actually exist other than as some abstract collective idea. “This country” cannot act. The individuals in “this country” act.
That is the way it is.
Not to diminish your point Lifticus, but “this country” (which is your country by the way, like it or not) do exist in the head of millions of americans and there is nothing abstract in it. It’s you who has the abstract interpretation. It’s totally valid, but it does not erase the common conception. Just like you can look at swarms of insects as a unity you can look at human collectives as a unity <:)[/quote]
Humans and insects are completely different. Humans are not completely instinctual creatures: we have free will; we are capable of learning; we can reject the idea of group-think.
Bees and ants have no individuality. Humans do.
So while the abstract concept of nation may exist in ones imagination it does not actually exist. Collective thinking needs to be revised to better reflect reality.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
And it was “this country” that did it, so fuck yourself with that one.
You are wrong. It was a certain few individuals who collected tax monies that had the ability to do the work. “This country” does not actually exist other than as some abstract collective idea. “This country” cannot act. The individuals in “this country” act.
That is the way it is.
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Individuals that have consented to being taxed, elect their government, and pay for the projects that are run by that government.
That’s “this country.”
I know it doesn’t fit your little anarchist world model, but we’ve already determined that you preach and preach and then bitch out and pay your taxes anyway, so you may as well take some credit for having funded the space program.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
And it was “this country” that did it, so fuck yourself with that one.
You are wrong. It was a certain few individuals who collected tax monies that had the ability to do the work. “This country” does not actually exist other than as some abstract collective idea. “This country” cannot act. The individuals in “this country” act.
That is the way it is.
Individuals that have consented to being taxed, elect their government, and pay for the projects that are run by that government.
That’s “this country.”
I know it doesn’t fit your little anarchist world model, but we’ve already determined that you preach and preach and then bitch out and pay your taxes anyway, so you may as well take some credit for having funded the space program. [/quote]
I have not consented to being taxed.
I do not elect the government nor does the populous.
Everyone is powerless except for the people with coercive authority.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
And it was “this country” that did it, so fuck yourself with that one.
You are wrong. It was a certain few individuals who collected tax monies that had the ability to do the work. “This country” does not actually exist other than as some abstract collective idea. “This country” cannot act. The individuals in “this country” act.
That is the way it is.
Individuals that have consented to being taxed, elect their government, and pay for the projects that are run by that government.
That’s “this country.”
I know it doesn’t fit your little anarchist world model, but we’ve already determined that you preach and preach and then bitch out and pay your taxes anyway, so you may as well take some credit for having funded the space program.
I have not consented to being taxed.
I do not elect the government nor does the populous.
Everyone is powerless except for the people with coercive authority.
That is the way it is.[/quote]
LOL. I forgot. The Illuminati does it. What was I thinking.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
kaaleppi wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
And it was “this country” that did it, so fuck yourself with that one.
You are wrong. It was a certain few individuals who collected tax monies that had the ability to do the work. “This country” does not actually exist other than as some abstract collective idea. “This country” cannot act. The individuals in “this country” act.
That is the way it is.
Not to diminish your point Lifticus, but “this country” (which is your country by the way, like it or not) do exist in the head of millions of americans and there is nothing abstract in it. It’s you who has the abstract interpretation. It’s totally valid, but it does not erase the common conception. Just like you can look at swarms of insects as a unity you can look at human collectives as a unity <:)
Humans and insects are completely different. Humans are not completely instinctual creatures: we have free will; we are capable of learning; we can reject the idea of group-think.
Bees and ants have no individuality. Humans do.
So while the abstract concept of nation may exist in ones imagination it does not actually exist. Collective thinking needs to be revised to better reflect reality.[/quote]
You are a serious fellow, aren’t you?
A nation exists like your consciousness exists. You can take it apart but for most practical purposes it isn’t necessary and quite often it is downright counterproductive.
I’m sure there are individual differences in bees and ants, it would be quite a blow for evolutionary theory if there weren’t. We just have difficulties with seeing them.
Good luck with that revision of collective thinking. It would be nice, it really would.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
OBoile wrote:
Didn’t the space program give us cool things like Satellite TV, GPS, improved weather forcasting etc. I’m sure there are many other less obvious benefits as well.
The products that came out of the space program are countless and I am sure everyone’s life has been improved in some way through these products. I’m surprised to see such dislike.
Irish, he never comes to the Storm Trooper meetings, so I’ll vouch for him.
Orion, I’ve never read anything by you belittling Jews and you’re a free market capitalist. I don’t know how that becomes ‘fascism’.
Irish, put down the brewskies, man.
I’ve seen him be a cheerleader for the Nazi armies whenever we talk about WWII. It’s hard to pull for that side but Orion has done it.
And the “belittling Jews” comes where from, oh my reading comprehension challenged Irish princess?
Being a cheerleader for Nazi armies is kind of belittling to the race that they were out to… ahh, eliminate.[/quote]
Ah, so claiming that the war was really won by the Russians and that the Wehrmacht of 1940 was more than a match for the US army of 1945 equals applauding the holocaust.
If you really work at a newspaper I think we no longer need to ask us why they become obsolete.
Irish, he never comes to the Storm Trooper meetings, so I’ll vouch for him.
Orion, I’ve never read anything by you belittling Jews and you’re a free market capitalist. I don’t know how that becomes ‘fascism’.
Irish, put down the brewskies, man.
I’ve seen him be a cheerleader for the Nazi armies whenever we talk about WWII. It’s hard to pull for that side but Orion has done it.
And the “belittling Jews” comes where from, oh my reading comprehension challenged Irish princess?
Being a cheerleader for Nazi armies is kind of belittling to the race that they were out to… ahh, eliminate.
Ah, so claiming that the war was really won by the Russians and that the Wehrmacht of 1940 was more than a match for the US army of 1945 equals applauding the holocaust.
If you really work at a newspaper I think we no longer need to ask us why they become obsolete.
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You have said much more than that on numerous occasions.
Irish, he never comes to the Storm Trooper meetings, so I’ll vouch for him.
Orion, I’ve never read anything by you belittling Jews and you’re a free market capitalist. I don’t know how that becomes ‘fascism’.
Irish, put down the brewskies, man.
I’ve seen him be a cheerleader for the Nazi armies whenever we talk about WWII. It’s hard to pull for that side but Orion has done it.
And the “belittling Jews” comes where from, oh my reading comprehension challenged Irish princess?
Being a cheerleader for Nazi armies is kind of belittling to the race that they were out to… ahh, eliminate.
Ah, so claiming that the war was really won by the Russians and that the Wehrmacht of 1940 was more than a match for the US army of 1945 equals applauding the holocaust.
If you really work at a newspaper I think we no longer need to ask us why they become obsolete.
You have said much more than that on numerous occasions. [/quote]
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
kaaleppi wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
And it was “this country” that did it, so fuck yourself with that one.
You are wrong. It was a certain few individuals who collected tax monies that had the ability to do the work. “This country” does not actually exist other than as some abstract collective idea. “This country” cannot act. The individuals in “this country” act.
That is the way it is.
Not to diminish your point Lifticus, but “this country” (which is your country by the way, like it or not) do exist in the head of millions of americans and there is nothing abstract in it. It’s you who has the abstract interpretation. It’s totally valid, but it does not erase the common conception. Just like you can look at swarms of insects as a unity you can look at human collectives as a unity <:)
Humans and insects are completely different. Humans are not completely instinctual creatures: we have free will; we are capable of learning; we can reject the idea of group-think.
Bees and ants have no individuality. Humans do.
So while the abstract concept of nation may exist in ones imagination it does not actually exist. Collective thinking needs to be revised to better reflect reality.[/quote]
The philosopher David Hume said something similar – that there is no such thing as ‘mind’ and what we think of as mind is simply a stream of thoughts. In the same way, a group or nation doesn’t exist per se, independent and above the individuals in it. Something like the ‘good of the community’ thus means the good of some at the expense of others.
Irish, he never comes to the Storm Trooper meetings, so I’ll vouch for him.
Orion, I’ve never read anything by you belittling Jews and you’re a free market capitalist. I don’t know how that becomes ‘fascism’.
Irish, put down the brewskies, man.
I’ve seen him be a cheerleader for the Nazi armies whenever we talk about WWII. It’s hard to pull for that side but Orion has done it.
And the “belittling Jews” comes where from, oh my reading comprehension challenged Irish princess?
Being a cheerleader for Nazi armies is kind of belittling to the race that they were out to… ahh, eliminate.
Ah, so claiming that the war was really won by the Russians and that the Wehrmacht of 1940 was more than a match for the US army of 1945 equals applauding the holocaust.
If you really work at a newspaper I think we no longer need to ask us why they become obsolete.
You have said much more than that on numerous occasions. [/quote]
When and were?
Quotes please, my posting history is there for all to see.
[quote]orion wrote:
<<< A bridge to nowhere is bad, but A GIANT BRIDGE TO NOWHERE is awesome.
<<< >>>
I for one do not feel like financing such adventures and I hope that the glory of empire will feed and clothe your family.
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Again
[quote]
<<< Because a brick layer in Wyoming needs to feed his family and not pay for abstract modernism at gunpoint. >>>[/quote]
I will continue to believe that you are more intelligent than these simpleton snippets demonstrate.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
orion wrote:
<<< A bridge to nowhere is bad, but A GIANT BRIDGE TO NOWHERE is awesome.
<<< >>>
I for one do not feel like financing such adventures and I hope that the glory of empire will feed and clothe your family.
Again
<<< Because a brick layer in Wyoming needs to feed his family and not pay for abstract modernism at gunpoint. >>>
I will continue to believe that you are more intelligent than these simpleton snippets demonstrate.[/quote]
Oh, I am every bit as intelligent as people who believe that they can construct societies, I am just humble enough to see that neither I nor they can. Barely, but still.
Well, and stealing is wrong, how clever to you have to be to see that? It was back then for a shining new bicycle, it would be now for a shining new car and if you do it to build a shining new spaceship, guess what, still stealing.
[quote]orion wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
orion wrote:
<<< A bridge to nowhere is bad, but A GIANT BRIDGE TO NOWHERE is awesome.
<<< >>>
I for one do not feel like financing such adventures and I hope that the glory of empire will feed and clothe your family.
Again
<<< Because a brick layer in Wyoming needs to feed his family and not pay for abstract modernism at gunpoint. >>>
I will continue to believe that you are more intelligent than these simpleton snippets demonstrate.
Oh, I am every bit as intelligent as people who believe that they can construct societies, I am just humble enough to see that neither I nor they can. Barely, but still.
Well, and stealing is wrong, how clever to you have to be to see that? It was back then for a shining new bicycle, it would be now for a shining new car and if you do it to build a shining new spaceship, guess what, still stealing.
[/quote]
I take it for granted orion, that you have never downloaded anything, right? Are you for eternal patent rights and copyrights?
