[quote]Oleena wrote:
Jesus was clearly a hippy-terrorist-anarchist. He used some scary tactics on money collectors, that I don’t think the pacifist group would approve of :)[/quote]
Turn the other cheek and give to Cesar what is Cesar’s translates into terrorist-anarchist? The man ordained government himself, I doubt he was an anarchist, after all he is the King of Kings.[/quote]
No no, turn the other cheek translates into “Respond to 9/11 by invading two countries and killing hundreds of thousands of people”.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
What happens when social charity becomes corrupt? The Vatican can end world hunger, but it doesn’t. They also do not discipline priests who do molest kids.
I am from Missouri…the “show me” state. [/quote]
I am personally an agnostic, I am just curious how some one claiming to be Christ like can make policy that is not Christ like ?[/quote]
Who claims to be Christ like? And what policies are referring to?[/quote]
Christian by definition is to be Christ like
The policies I am referring to are the policies that approximately %50 of the people (Democrats)
want Welfare for the poor, medical care for the sick . But the people that are like Jesus thinks the poor are poor because they are lazy and should be penalized
[quote]florelius wrote:
If he lived to today, I dont think he would be a democrat or a republican. He fits the pacifist-anarchist-socialist group in my wiew. I dont think he would vote for anybody invading and bombing other countries.
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I do not think Christ would be Republican , the Republicans are anti poor Christ was a Champion of the poor and sick
[quote]byukid wrote:
I do not think Christ falls in our current political spectrum.[/quote]
Agreed. At least what they are today.[/quote]
I personally do not profess Christianity, I am curious of the justification that Today’s Christian justifies the Republican , considering 50 years ago Christ was the Champion of the poor and sick
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I don’t think Jesus would have approved of using force to provide charity to the poor.[/quote]
I personally feel if Jesus were alive today he would approve of the almost %50 of the population (Democrats) and wonder why his people the Moral Majority would stand against his principles .
If you would add the percentage points of the Moral Majority to that of the Democrats you would surely break the majority
I personally feel if Jesus were alive today he would approve of the almost %50 of the population (Democrats) and wonder why his people the Moral Majority would stand against his principles .
If you would add the percentage points of the Moral Majority to that of the Democrats you would surely break the majority
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Yeah Jesus seems like he would be a big fan of abortion.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:I don’t think Jesus would have approved of using force to provide charity to the poor.[/quote]You would be absolutely correct. What the Son of God came here to accomplish had/has nothing directly to do with politics. Everything Jesus said regarding social responsibility was addressed to those claiming His name. Not the secular society at large. For instance His admonishments about caring for the poor are to be fulfilled VOLUNTARILY by those inside the church. There is no call for government sponsored redistribution of resources anywhere in the New Testament.
HOWEVER, plain communism is taught for those within the church in the second chapter of the acts of the apostles. vv 44-47 [quote]44-And all those who had believed were together and had all things in common; 45-and they began selling their property and possessions and were sharing them with all, as anyone might have need. 46-Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart, 47-praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved. [/quote] This is a model for the church. NOT a command for pagan liberal politicians to steal from one group of unbelievers and give it to another group of unbelievers. There IS the command to give charitably to those in need in general in order to proclaim the gospel, but once again that is to be practiced voluntarily by the redeemed of the Lord in gratitude to Him and compassion on the lost which are 2 sides of the same coin.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I don’t think Jesus would have approved of using force to provide charity to the poor.[/quote]
I personally feel if Jesus were alive today he would approve of the almost %50 of the population (Democrats) and wonder why his people the Moral Majority would stand against his principles .
If you would add the percentage points of the Moral Majority to that of the Democrats you would surely break the majority
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Also, you do not get the story of the needle and the camel.
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I don’t get it either. Can you explain it for me? Please. [/quote]
Well, if we assume that eye of the needle is actually a correct translation, the eye of the needle was a small city door in Jerusalem.
If you were a wealthy merchant and came to Jerusalem too late, you could no longer go through the main gates but have to use one of the smaller ones, one being the eye of the needle.
Now your camel could not pass through it with all your merchandise on it, so you had to unload it, get your camel through the door and then pack it again, at the risk of losing some or all of your merchandise.
Not impossible, just takes some planning.
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Thanks. Sorry, but I’m not sure I understand the implications of what you’re saying. Are you’re saying that Jesus was teaching that the rich man should plan more in order to get into heaven? [/quote]
Who am I to interpret what Jesus was saying?
Personally I think that he was saying that clinging to your possessions can get in your way and not only if you trying to get into Jerusalem.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:<<< I personally feel if Jesus were alive today he would approve of the almost %50 of the population (Democrats) and wonder why his people the Moral Majority would stand against his principles .
If you would add the percentage points of the Moral Majority to that of the Democrats you would surely break the majority
[/quote]Some of you people deserve honorary double doctorates in quantum cluelessness. Every time I think I’ve witnessed the absolute pinnacle of misrepresentation of the Christ of God somebody demonstrates a new level of achievement.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Jesus didn’t do it on someone else’s dime.[/quote]
i cant believe this thread continued past this post.
jesus never advocated stealing from the rich to give to the poor. this is essentially what democrats advocate. Jesus advocated willful donations to the poor. What the democrats want to do takes away freedom of choice, what Jesus advocated was a celebration of choice by choosing to do the right thing.
you cannot walk righteously in the eyes of the lord in the absence of choice. The government forcing the rich to give to the poor is essentially what Satan advocated in Christian mythology. Satan wanted to take away free will and force humans to be good. Surely any idiot can see that.
[quote]Oleena wrote:
Jesus was clearly a hippy-terrorist-anarchist. He used some scary tactics on money collectors, that I don’t think the pacifist group would approve of :)[/quote]
Turn the other cheek and give to Cesar what is Cesar’s translates into terrorist-anarchist? The man ordained government himself, I doubt he was an anarchist, after all he is the King of Kings.[/quote]
No no, turn the other cheek translates into “Respond to 9/11 by invading two countries and killing hundreds of thousands of people”.
[quote]Oleena wrote:
Jesus was clearly a hippy-terrorist-anarchist. He used some scary tactics on money collectors, that I don’t think the pacifist group would approve of :)[/quote]
Turn the other cheek and give to Cesar what is Cesar’s translates into terrorist-anarchist? The man ordained government himself, I doubt he was an anarchist, after all he is the King of Kings.[/quote]
To turn the other cheek was a gesture of defiance, and a very subversive one given the culture it was made in and to give Caesars what is Caesars was a very ambiguous answer to a question that was meant to entrap him.
I am more than willing to give any president any coins that have its picture on them, if only to demonstrate my acceptance that he indeed is a modern caesar.
Whether I would aquire lots of them is another matter and what to do if he vehemntly denies that he indeed is a reincarnataion of Caesar?
And yeah, it took Jesus to “ordain” governments. No one ever discovered the force of arms before him.
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Jesus being G-d, ordained Governments before Jesus became incarnate. Nice try though.
I personally feel if Jesus were alive today he would approve of the almost %50 of the population (Democrats) and wonder why his people the Moral Majority would stand against his principles .
If you would add the percentage points of the Moral Majority to that of the Democrats you would surely break the majority
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Yeah Jesus seems like he would be a big fan of abortion.
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