[quote]slimjim wrote:
Taking this thread in a bit of a different direction, has anyone noticed how hostile the whole biz gets in regards to competition?
We’ve all seen how ugly the battles get in regards to research chems, and a lot of the backstabbing and misinformation about so-called scammers comes from competitors trying to cast aspersions about each other.
Alls fair in business I guess, but it seems like this stuff goes overboard more often than not when steroids are involved.[/quote]
I agree. But I also think this is true in any business competition. Coke v Pepsi or Ford v Chevy. If Chevy learns that the newest F150 didn’t get a 5 star crash rating or there’s a recall for defective seat belts or whatever, you bet your last dollar they’ll exploit that.
I agree with the above that time will tell and all should be fine. The fact that BD was such a huge presence in the gear game however is what concerned me.
never order from alin, but i’ve seen far too many unhappy posts on various boards to consider it. on the other hand, i have ordered from genxxl, and they are top notch. very pricey, but reliable, and prompt. to be honest, international sources are getting too risky. a reliable underground source in the states is the way to go.
I would prefer to keep this as a private matter but I am forced to come and explain the situation. Because the real situation is very complicated I will post now a rough draft and Ill corect later for spelling mistakes or grammar mistakes that can make it hard to understand.
Hello my Friend,
You might not have been aware but I am proud to be part owner of British Dragon Pharmaceutical with two other partners. Attached to this email/post is the legal paperwork showing that I own the name and trademark ?British Dragon?, everything including the trademark is totally on the up and up. My partners have control of the web site only, ( due of our separation website is a breach in copyright laws.
A couple months ago my two partners expressed their desire for me to take a bigger role in running the business, they wanted to be more of the silent partners only looking after the web site. I would continue looking after all of the production for British Dragon, making sure it is only the top notch products people come to expect from British Dragon. They also told me they were debating about get out of the industry entirely preferring to settle down and focus more on their family.
Having agreed that I would focus on running and building up the British Dragon brand. After spending considerable amount of time and energy I was shocked when my partners decided to sell website ONLY (without manufacturing facilities) to GENXXL company. Beside the fact was not fair for me, selling only website manufacturing facilities could mean maybe problems for next production quality.
Now website transfer is started to GENXXL but they realized that I own the name and trademark ?British Dragon? their website is worthless they are threatening to make a lot of problems on the boards against me including trying to ruin my business. He has been saying everything from starting rumors I am selling BD fakes or under dosed products which is total bullshit because the batches are made and sent out to many different suppliers. There would be a wave of complaints from all the different retail sellers if we had any fakes or under dosed products.
Lately problems started, First they removed me from BritishDragon.com website approved supplier list,
Then they sent email from my behalf and threatened RETABOLIL so he started to fight against me by posting ugly and fake announcements on his website about me ( this issue with RETABOLIL was debated openly on anabolex: www.anabolex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8678 , I posted everything openly since I don’t have anything to hide)
Seems that BritishDragon “website only” new owners were bothered by all facts and they posted another thread that is based again on fake and totally untrue things. Anyway their accusations are childish and seems that they did not bothered to make something that would look 10% real.
GENXXL are posting that I stolen British Dragon stocks but that is funny since producing facilities were never under their control. I have proofs that all that was BritishDragon product was produced in facilities located here. Also
owners of boards mentioned earlier, received all the time BCC to emails and all proofs, payments and profit spliting between me and former partners that show that nothing was stolen, so I will be backed by board owners I mentioned.
GENXXL are posting that I tried to steal their logo but attached are all paperwork that show that I own BritishDragon brand name and logo in 52 countries.
GENXXL are posting that I sell FAKE Karachi sustanon from IP and Fake DENKAL from IP, but I don’t have KARACHI for sale on my list for more than one year, also only DENKALL I ever bought from IP is WINSTROL water based and is clearly mentioned on my site that is a copy that contain active ingredients inside with lab test available on my board, IP never hide that DENKAL is a copy that is made in china but meets all concentration and quality tests.
GENXXL is posting that they have few lab tests performed on products purchased from AlinShop which show that my BritishDragon tablets are fake. Is really funny that they are insisting on this issue since they were already caught lying and making fakes SCRS lab tests PDF not long time ago. Also those emails with their last try to modify SCRS LAB TEST so will look bad to me, were BCC to board owners mentioned so they will back me on those statements.
I will paste here emails exchange on this matter on their last try to post fake lab tests.
-----Original Message-----
From: alin
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 2:58 PM
To: srcslab
Subject: Alin here
Hi,
Can you tell me that test attached are real ?
Someone say that bought from my shop those but can not be true
Please let me know
Alin
HERE IS REPLY FROM SRCS LABORATORIES:
-----Original Message-----
From: srcslab
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 9:50 PM
To: alin
Subject: RE: Hi
Alin don’t worry,
These are actual reports that were generated by SRCS, but they have been
modified. Pertinent information as to the NATURE of the samples has been
removed from the report and therefore, San Rafael Chemical Services will not
support the claim made in these chemical analysis reports.
Thanks,
Joe Larsen
SRCS
For my customers all products I have are tested and if anyone have simple problem they should just send gear to SCRS and if comes out negative I ill pay lab testing and replace for double value everything. Last lab test on BritishDragon gear was done few days ago and is on anabolex board.
I would take some posts from threads that are going on this matter and will point some issues that were observed by
forum members:
Ret’s announcement is not a unbiased opinion…it’s the opinion of someone in direct competition with Alin. It’s just an opinion coming from a source about other source that doesn’t have any relevance or place being aired publicly. this makes Ret look very bad, because he shouldn’t be relied on to provide accurate information on other sources. In the end, if Ret’s service and products are good, then he wouldn’t need to bash other people’s. When I did that myself, it was out of insecurity.
What we’re seeing now from Ret, with regards to insecurity, is simply bad business. He’s attacking the competition, and it’s pretty transparent to everyone. It’s poor form for a source to do some of the things he’s doing (how can we trust a scammer list published by a source on his own website???).
GENXXL post and their try to make up fake tests are perfectly normal because they own in part (not sure how many associates are there now) BritishDragon website, trashing me they hope to get by force BritishDragon brand name and much more important to destroy my business ( they would better try to take care of their customers because their banners were taken out from boards one by one and their presence on internet is pretty low now. Probably they would better goggle “STEROID SCAMMERS” and fix their delivery problems than producing fake SCRS LAB TESTS. Maybe this time they made some better fakes (or they used same lab tests like last time) but their first failure was BCC to major board owners and administrators that can confirm their low-life try.
Besides fake statements, fake lab tests and fake stories they don’t have anything but I have paperwork that can proof everything I have said until now. Also within last months all emails between me and former associates were BCC to major board administrators and they can come out and back everything I have said.
Also I don’t post this on my own board/site like GENXXL and RET is doing so they can moderate posts and delete everything they don’t like. I post all story on major boards so will have a RELEVANCE.
I could post anything I want on my website and moderate threads so will look great and in my favor but would not have any relevance.
Production facilities were bought by a foreign company that already modernized and opened a pharmaceutical factory licensed by government. Their website will be launched within few days and they will display a license number.
AlinShop is proud to announce that, we will be a major distributor for this brand new company that will offer GMP products at much lower prices than underground companies.
This company is a registered GMP and fully licensed with the government with spot inspections unlike many underground companies you will not have to worry about the hit and miss of different batches. Using the top of the line pharmaceutical machinery and only following the highest quality control protocols will result in consistent high quality batches time and time again.
Overall I would prefer to keep this as a private matter but I was forced to come and explain the situation.
As I hope you already know, I work very hard to offer the best possible customer service and only the best products I can for all of my clients.
I appreciate your help in this matter and look forward to getting passed this ugly situation so I can focus on more positive things in the future.
Alin
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12-09-2006, 11:13 PM #2
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paperwork for brand name.
This is paperwork for brand name.
THIS is not ONLY about owning brand name. Is about the license that new company that bought my part will display.
That mean GMP facilities under strict control of government.
Wondering if GENXXL guys that bought website will be able to display a license number.
On bd website " Due to international and local FDA regulations, products do not display a license number "
That statement is strange. Once you have a license FDA will not tell you to hide…
When you company will open their website you will be able to find there all details from license numbers to address etc…also I understood that they will have live camera on web inside production sites. But this company that bought facilities is a real factory so things are different.
BritishDragon products were great, maybe will be in future also great but for moment they doesnt have any production facilities, brand-name rights and most important license as pharmaceutical producer
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12-09-2006, 11:14 PM #3
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ON GENXXL BOARD THEY SAY “Just in case Alin tries to say he is producing his own better product, here are a few lab tests performed on products purchased from Alin. These tests were performed by SRCS (I will attach these shortly)”
I just checked the lab tests they displayed today on their board. Are same fake lab tests (plus a extra one) that they sent to someone else on OCTOBER and SCRS confirmed that lab tests are altered.
Funny that GENXXL think people are stupid. I expected at least a better try from their part
Also SCRS will not write FROM ALINSHOP on a lab test if that request doesnt come from the owner. SCRS will never be able to know where is coming that sample. I could sent a fake tablet and ask them to write FROM: BESTSOURCE.COM. With such tests I could soon ruin BESTSORCE.COM reputation.
Attached are tests that SCRS confirmed that were altered on October 14. That email was BCC to admin from anabolex and others so he can confirm everything
-----Original Message-----
From: alin
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 2:58 PM
To: srcslab
Subject: Alin here
Hi,
Can you tell me that test attached are real ?
Someone say that bought from my shop those but can not be true
Please let me know
Alin
HERE IS REPLY FROM SRCS LABORATORIES:
-----Original Message-----
From: srcslab
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 9:50 PM
To: alin
Subject: RE: Hi
Alin don’t worry,
These are actual reports that were generated by SRCS, but they have been
modified. Pertinent information as to the NATURE of the samples has been
removed from the report and therefore, San Rafael Chemical Services will not
support the claim made in these chemical analysis reports.
Thanks,
Joe Larsen
SRCS
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12-09-2006, 11:33 PM #4
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I have been involved in this matter right from the start and I confirm everything.
One thing I don’t understand - Alin controls production of any BD products. GenXXL only re-sell those products. Once Genxxl runs out of stock and Alin won’t sell them any more, where are they going to get their stock from and what will they be selling to their customers?
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12-09-2006, 11:50 PM #5
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Big A
I have been involved in this matter right from the start and I confirm everything.
One thing I don’t understand - Alin controls production of any BD products. GenXXL only re-sell those products. Once Genxxl runs out of stock and Alin won’t sell them any more, where are they going to get their stock from and what will they be selling to their customers?
They will just produce in garage. First sign anyone can check, we used KERNEL APRICOT UPS OIL FOR INJECTION that had a fruit light smell. From what we heard new batches are using kitchen vegetable oil ( thats hard to buy UPS oil without license in some countries ).
UPS oil is neutralized and sterilized: neutralized means that doesnt contains the free fatty acids and many other elements that are not suitable for IM INJECTION. Vegetable kitchen oils is not neutralized so injections will hurt much more. Anyone can tell by smell a kitchen oil and a fruity smell oil.
Anyway my shares of those facilties were bought by a company that will open new website and will operate under government control very soon.
Genxxl bought just website and website doesnt mean company.
A EXAMPLE:
Like UNIVERSAL NUTRITION COMPANY www.universalnutrition.com, would have few co-owners. One co-owner has website on his personal name and hes selling to someone else that doesnt have license and maybe sell relabeled stuff since he has a website well known and he can profit on this.
UNIVERSAL NUTRITION COMPANY is loosing their domain name and maybe few distribuitors/shops.
Everything else from factory, buildings, lincenses and even brand name are same, they will open new website maybe www.universal-nutrition.com.
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12-10-2006, 03:51 AM #6
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A New Proof That Genxxl Got Britishdragon Website
THREAD FROM ANABOLEX: “how did genxxl get my e-mail addy”
SHOW A NEW PROOF THAT GENXXL GOT BRITISHDRAGON WEBSITE
maximuss
its funny b/c i just emailed britishdragon a week ago not knowing they are owned by genxxl and asked them to check them out b/c the bd orals i got were crap. and wanted to know if he was a scammer lol.
ALIN
you emailed britishdragon and then you got mass mail from genxxl ? they should at least be carefull not mess emails databases. If I understood corectly than this is much more than another prove they got BD website.
maximuss
i used them befor , but with a different addy. it sucks they are using our addy’s in thier little game . they dont give they respect deserved
ALIN
Probably such problems will come often and often from britishdragon website and I am sure will reflect in their products quality also.
New guys doesnt have experience, maybe R still teach them but a bunch of 55+years old guys from GenXXL will not give same results we had untill now.
Mass mail on stolen databases, threats and guerrila bussiness will drive to a next down level.
NEW BRAND WILL COME IN RIGHT TIME TO COVER HOLE CREATED !
maximuss
i’m just a guy who likes to get good juice when i pay for it and when i do , i give you all of my buiss permantly. it might not be million dollar buiss but a bunch of us small timers do add up!!! it takes less time to be ligit and its more profitable, you got my next order b/c i know genxxl will fuck me know.lol
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12-10-2006, 07:01 AM #7
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I’ve been reading across the boards, and it’s an unfortunate situation. However, I’m a bit confused with one issue. If Alin owns the rights to the name and logo, couldn’t Alin put in a request to have the site transfered to him, kind of like the WWF (World Wildlife Fund) taking it away from the WWF (World Wrestling Federation) since the WWF (World Wildlife Fund) had the name first.
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12-10-2006, 07:50 AM #8
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I’ve been following this bullshit on the other boards too. I think Alin’s going about it the right way. Personally I’d never trust another BD product again after all this. Alin has always provided the best quality products and service at the best prices without ever fucking me over in any of our business. I wish him the best of luck in the future endeavors and will continue to be a rabidly loyal customer. Just my $0.02 -
I have used Alin before numerous times and have been extremely happy with the service. The responses were fast and delivery was always well before the time he quoted me. I’m in Canada by the way and have had no problems thus far.
oh…btw I’ve been on this board when you were still at your mother’s teat…I’ll remain anonymous b/c alin still gives me free gear (much of it is garbage but I know whats not)
[quote]jaime66 wrote:
oh…btw I’ve been on this board when you were still at your mother’s teat…I’ll remain anonymous b/c alin still gives me free gear (much of it is garbage but I know whats not)[/quote]
If he is such an ass, and he is if he is a scammer, why do you accept anything from him? Seems hypocritical to me
[quote]jaime66 wrote:
how many times have u used him? please tell us the details of your business, your experience w/ aas…any tests youve done on his gear.
(don’t mention the imitation bd made by ip…that might turn off some customers)
in general i am a god in the realm of a.a.s. and alin is an a.s.s.[/quote]
Let me get this straight, I’m supposed to somehow qualify my experience ordering from Alin to you, while you show up and make some baseless accusation without any similar evidence. Seems like your godliness comes with the price of a gigantic ego.
[quote]jaime66 wrote:
oh…btw I’ve been on this board when you were still at your mother’s teat…I’ll remain anonymous b/c alin still gives me free gear (much of it is garbage but I know whats not)[/quote]
Oh and BTW, unless you found this site on the day of its fucking inception, I’ve been reading T-mag since my brother found it in the summer of '98 while he was searching “Poliquin.”
I hate how people like to fall back on this assumption that they’ve been here longer, I never bring it up unless I’m somehow called on it, but why the hell do you think you’ll win an argument by virtue of being here first?
Do you think that gives you some sort of credibility? OOOOOO you’ve been here longer, you win. I merely stated the fact that I have used Alin before and it worked as advertised. Nothing more, nothing less. There is no way you can refute my claim, so try another tact.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
jaime66 wrote:
oh…btw I’ve been on this board when you were still at your mother’s teat…I’ll remain anonymous b/c alin still gives me free gear (much of it is garbage but I know whats not)
Oh and BTW, unless you found this site on the day of its fucking inception, I’ve been reading T-mag since my brother found it in the summer of '98 while he was searching “Poliquin.”
I hate how people like to fall back on this assumption that they’ve been here longer, I never bring it up unless I’m somehow called on it, but why the hell do you think you’ll win an argument by virtue of being here first?
Do you think that gives you some sort of credibility? OOOOOO you’ve been here longer, you win. I merely stated the fact that I have used Alin before and it worked as advertised. Nothing more, nothing less. There is no way you can refute my claim, so try another tact.
[/quote]
Woot. Pawned him Slimjim.
I agree WTF is this clown talking about. Mr: "well, I am a member that has been here for years, but I am too much of a coward to post under my real name, so I post under a fake name. And yea, how many of your deals have gone through with Alin?
Post on an open forum how many times you have ordered illegal substances through the mail, how many times you tested the illegal substances you received, to prove me wrong, a binary representation of a person, with zero credibility.