I’m a 24 year old male little over 6’ 2” weighing in at 230 currently. I’ve been lifting 6 days a week for a little over 4 months now. I’m naturally a “bigger” guy and am looking to lean out and gain mass. Pretty new to the scene and looking for any and all opinions and information.
Looking to start a cycle in the next month or so, currently on an ECA stack until then. What do you guys think?
Too young IMO
Errrr… if you just got your learners permit do you really think you need a race car?
Aren’t we all. Unfortunately it’s not really gonna work like this.
Train for a few more years and maximize dem natty gains and wait until you’re old enough to possibly mess up your endocrine system fo lyfe dawg
4 months is far too little time to become remotely close to your natural potential. You need to give time for your muscle to learn to lift efficiently where your muscle can fire at their optimal capacity.
Do you consider yourself strong? Let’s say like the bench press…
How much could you bench press 5 reps at the end of your 1st month?
How much could you BP 5 reps at the end of your 2nd month?
…end of your 3rd month?
…end of your 4th month?
Do you have a good nutrition plan? How much protein per day?
Yeah man i just made a badass paper airplane so I’m basically a pilot now. Can i borrow your plane?
Is that a term for “fat” ?
Post pictures.
That’s what I thought lol.
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9.Any non PED medication being taken alongside current cycle
10.Pre-cycle bloodwork, and if necessary bloodwork during cycle
The above notwithstanding, it is my opinion that you are far too young and trained far too little to have any semblance of a proper training, diet and rest protocol that maximizes your natural gains.
You have not yet allowed to prove to yourself that you have the sheer willpower and dedication to follow through and stick with your training and diet regimen day in day out simply due to your short training period (4 months). Build a habit and eventually a lifestyle that involves effective training and consistent diet for a couple of years (at least 4-5) to get somewhere close to your genetic limit).
Doing a cycle now without knowing if this sort of lifestyle is something you want for the rest of your life will be a wasted cycle. You will lose all of your gains as fast as they came and will do no more besides jeopardize your health at such a young age when your body’s natural hormone production should be at it’s peak anyway.
If you have blood work that proves you have some sort of hormonal disbalance or subpar production, that’s a different story. Good luck.
Start at the ground floor. Check this out and what questions do you have?
https://academic.oup.com/edrv/article/42/4/457/6117781
Really a must read for everyone actually. Very nice background info and basics of HPTA/feedback, etc.
What is the right age to start? Not that I think using AAS is good/healthy, but do you really think there’s that much of a difference between starting at 24 vs 25? I’ve known people as young as fifteen to use quite heavily. People are going to use whether its the right thing to do or not imo.
Brain development is almost complete at 24 (for most), and for a select few… they’ll have already reached full maturated a couple/few years ago.
4 months training is the real problem here. Come back in 1.5-2+ years. Provided thats 1.5-2+ years of good training, not “I went to gym a couple times every week and did whatever”.
Follow a program, get strong. Might even find you’re satisfied and don’t need to resort to AAS.
For reference, the guy who supposedly started using at around 15 is dead now (died way too young). Died from causes unrelated to AAS.
Absolutely. 20 is probably my absolute cutoff age for ANYONE, and anyone in their 20’s should probably be a competitive athlete, or someone who will really benefit substantially from AAS in a tangible way. I wouldn’t recommend AAS to a 20 year old unless they were chasing a professional sports contract, or had serious potential for a strength sport (strongman or bodybuilding specifically). So, being 24 wouldn’t be a problem to me IF these other criteria were met.
OP: you’ve been training for 4 months. Get your head out of your ass. Steroids are a horrible idea for someone like you. I’m being intentionally harsh, because the idea is just so mindblowingly bad. I want to make sure that gets across.
agree on most stuff but not this :
Idk how it is in america, but in my country “competitive” means that you paid for signing up for stuff and if you win you get a protein powder and a plastic trophy.
In European martial arts world, you can become a champion in your class sooner or later if you are willing to pay for signing up for every stupid competition there is and sooner or later you will be in one where there is only 1 more competitor in your weight class and then u win by a decision and voila - some “WBDFT World Heavyweight Champion”.
Basically what im saying is… unless you are getting big money for competing, the competition fact as such is in no way better as just NOT competing… just cause someone paid to enter a glorified sparring session shouldnt be a reason for him to believe he needs steroids to win now.
I do believe that any gymrat has the rights to do it, as i also started steroids with no intentions of benefiting from them… in fact i was on for a long long time, when after a fight i had against much much better oponent which i won by stupidly overpowering him and after the fight he yelled at me : “go eat more steroids” i even came to the idea that they MIGHT help… as in - i started to take them to look good… and i was permablasting long before i started fighting seriously, so i never even tought that those things are in any way connected.
So yea, i believe a stupid guy like me deserves the right to just take tren to fuck more babes in his 20s 
After 4 months of training, this means you are severely out of shape for a bodybuilder. Steroids are for gaining muscle, gaining muscle means surplus, surplus while fat means more fat. Testosterone also aromatizes in body fat. Steroids are not for getting lean at least not over 10% BF, which you are far from. So get lean first.
Six days a week may sound nice, but will give most people suboptimal results compared to 4 days/week. It shows commitment, but commitment for 4 months is not enough. Steroids are something that can make it necessary to be on for life afterwards. 4 months is not enough to show that you are that committed. Show your commitment by getting lean in the next 8 months.
After 4 months of training you are not able to profit from steroids like you will in your 4th or 10th training year because you don’t know how to use your muscles yet. Nobody knows at 4 months. Some don’t after 2 years. Most know after 10 years. You need to get a good mind muscle connection + the ability to recruit high proportions of muscle fibers. This takes time.
I hope this goes along with a good deficit, otherwise wasted.
This is achieved by cutting and bulking cycles. In your case some long cutting, then some careful bulking. Maybe mini bulks. But you’ll find out when you get there.
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I know a young man, 23 years old. Was training for a year, was weak and small but committed 100% to training (money and time). Started steroids at 22. His “coach” and dealer upped the roids every time he stalled out in making gains. He’s been permablasting now for a year with harsh compounds. He weighs 90 kg/205 lbs now and looks pretty good, but he does not look like he is on roids. He looks like he’s been training for a while. He’s currently likely taking off years of his lifespan and how he’s looking, he may not be far away from a hospital trip in the next weeks/months.
You know why he does not progress to the huge stage? Because he’s week. He does not do any compound lifts. He only isolates because he’s scared he’ll rip something and because he never learned to lift weights properly. Every really big bodybuilder hat at least some amount of strength in compound lifts. Chest flys alone just won’t get you an Arnold chest.
Learn to lift and eat right and then think about steroids in a few years again.
No idea. If I could have got my hands on stuff at an early age I would 100% have done it. Knowing what I know now though it would have been a huge mistake.
I think it’s different for everyone but I think most at 24 still have plenty of growing up to do.
At 24 I had two kids, made 6 figures, owned a home and thought I was grown and had life figured out. Didn’t take but a few years to realize I had grown and matured quite a bit from that point. Couple years from that point and I’m 30 and realized I’ve done even more growing and maturing.
24 just seems young. Now combine 24 with working out for 4 months and wants to use drugs and I think we have confirmation that he’s still got some growing up to do lol
Don’t.
This is the best argument against being young and running AAS. The brain just isn’t developed enough to make wise choices for most people.
4 months, I wouldn’t start a cycle. But I’d drop some weight first so I can look more muscular. Then I’d do a little bulk for 16-20 weeks, put on some size. Then I’d think about AAS.
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