bigflamer,
Pay close attention, we are going to have a Presidential election this November. There are going to be two main parties each offering a candidate. It will be Obama for the democrats and Romney for the republicans.
None of what you posted means that Romney isn’t more conservative than Obama.
What part about this are you not understanding?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
It’s funny that you would castigate Ron Paul as a kook, yet you eagerly embrace Romney with open arms as a “true conservative”. LOL
You my friend, have to stop chugging the kool-aid long enough for some honest observation. Dr. Paul has what Romney absolutely DOES NOT HAVE; consistency and integrity.
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This gets so tedious…
Conservatism for dummys:
"conservatism. The political outlook which springs from a desire to conserve existing things, held to be either good in themselves, or better than the likely alternatives, or at least safe, familiar, and the objects of trust and affection…Typically conservatives regard society as an achievement, which, for all its imperfections, is likely to be preferable to the pre-social state of nature(see Hobbes.) They might also hold (as against certain forms of liberalism) that society is in some sense antecedent to the individuals which compose it, the individual being a social artifact, the product of historical conditions that ally him to customs, values and expectations without which he is seriously damaged or incomplete(see Burke.)
These customs values and expectations are therefore intrinsically objects of respect…What then remains to a conservative when customs and values which command his support begin to lose their authority? Modern conservatism has arisen in response to that problem, emphasizing the need for the legitimation of values either through the renewal of traditions (or) through religious doctrine…’ - A Dictionary of Political Thought by Roger Scruton
Gee, that sounds so much like Dr. Paul the true conservative.[/quote]
Gee, that sounds so much like the record of Mittens, the true conservative. lol…I’ll take Dr. Paul’s record, HANDS DOWN, over Mittens record any day.
So, tell me again how the above explains away the liberal record of Romney. Tell me again how Romney isn’t a flip flopper on the scale of John Kerry. Tell me again how the GOP isn’t pushing Romney as their new wonder boy, completely retooled as a conservative! And just in time for the election too! How convenient!! What a win for conservatism!! LOL
What does Romney believe? Whatever you believe…
Just remember not to gag as you swallow the load, it’s a big one.
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He might not be as conservative as some would like him to be but…
He lowered taxes as Governor 19 times.
He lessoned regulation on small business as Governor.
He will dismantle Obamacare as one of his first acts. And not maybe because he is fundamentally against it, but for two reasons, the first and most obvious 67% of the people are opposed to Obamacare. And in order to get reelected he needs the support of the conservative wing of the party.
So, sure Paul is more conservative, but what does that mean? My Uncle Harry is more conservative too. They both have about the same odds of becoming President.
The choice will be four more years of Obama, in which case you KNOW what you have. Or four years of guy who is more conservative than Obama by a very large margin. Not to mention that he understands the economy far better than any President that we’ve had in about 60 years.
I’m supporting Romney and I’m happy to do it.[/quote]
Based on his record, I would be hesitant to describe Romney as “more conservative than Obama by a very large margin”. Like I said, that’s what he’s selling now, but that’s only because it’s what you want to hear. And like you said, he NEEDS the conservative wing of the republican party (which is of course, 99.9% of the party)
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain…
[quote]ZEB wrote:
bigflamer,
Pay close attention, we are going to have a Presidential election this November. There are going to be two main parties each offering a candidate. It will be Obama for the democrats and Romney for the republicans.
None of what you posted means that Romney isn’t more conservative than Obama.
What part about this are you not understanding?[/quote]
Yes, I understand just fine. This November, you’ll have the choice between a liberal Democrat and a liberal republican. And once again we’ll all be subjected to the hammer of the two party system. We’re graciously allowed to choose which end of the hammer pounds us all into shape.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
bigflamer,
Pay close attention, we are going to have a Presidential election this November. There are going to be two main parties each offering a candidate. It will be Obama for the democrats and Romney for the republicans.
None of what you posted means that Romney isn’t more conservative than Obama.
What part about this are you not understanding?[/quote]
Yes, I understand just fine. This November, you’ll have the choice between a liberal Democrat and a liberal republican. And once again we’ll all be subjected to the hammer of the two party system. We’re graciously allowed to choose which end of the hammer pounds us all into shape.[/quote]
Yet, that is our choice.
Obama promised to raise taxes by 5% on ALL taxpayers beginning January 1st. Romney promised to lower taxes as he did 19 times as Governor.
Obama promised to ram national health care down our throats. Romney promised to dismantle Obamacare as one of his first acts as President.
Obama is pro same sex marriage, Romney has always opposed same sex marriage.
Obama has driven small business crazy with too many regulations, Romney lowered regulations on small business as Governor.
I am not necessarily disagreeing with you on anything you’ve posted. All I am saying is that I am a pragmatic man and there is in fact a clear choice betweent the two men. No one can deny that.
Therefore, given the two choices I am not only going to vote for Mitt Romney I am going to donate the legal limit to his campaign.
I prefer that Barack Obama no longer be President and November is the only opportunity that we have for sending him into retirement.
Simple.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Was that opinion formed on his record? [/quote]
Absolutely. How many terrorists financed Romney? How many radical extremists would Romney be likely to appoint to the supreme court and the federal government? Is Romney likely to rack up another $100 trillion on all sorts of bullshit programs and stimulus? How about attacking institutions like the church and traditional marriage? Get real.
And stop trying to redefine conservatism. After Ron Paul took a dump on Reagan he said he wanted to “warn anyone who might be looking towards the conservative position” - and then out with all the batshit and he never looked back. So let’s stop the games.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
bigflamer,
Pay close attention, we are going to have a Presidential election this November. There are going to be two main parties each offering a candidate. It will be Obama for the democrats and Romney for the republicans.
None of what you posted means that Romney isn’t more conservative than Obama.
What part about this are you not understanding?[/quote]
Yes, I understand just fine. This November, you’ll have the choice between a liberal Democrat and a liberal republican. And once again we’ll all be subjected to the hammer of the two party system. We’re graciously allowed to choose which end of the hammer pounds us all into shape.[/quote]
Yet, that is our choice.
Obama promised to raise taxes by 5% on ALL taxpayers beginning January 1st. Romney promised to lower taxes as he did 19 times as Governor.[/quote]
Romney was in opposition to the Bush tax cuts.
Do you believe he will actually do this? Do you think he can? If you do believe he will do this, what do you base this belief on? His past record and actions as a legislator?
[quote]
Obama is pro same sex marriage, Romney has always opposed same sex marriage.[/quote]
I support same sex marriage, so on this issue I side with Obama.
[quote]
Obama has driven small business crazy with too many regulations, Romney lowered regulations on small business as Governor.[/quote]
Yes, on this I would agree. Obama is hammering small business right now.
[quote]
I am not necessarily disagreeing with you on anything you’ve posted. All I am saying is that I am a pragmatic man and there is in fact a clear choice betweent the two men. No one can deny that.
Therefore, given the two choices I am not only going to vote for Mitt Romney I am going to donate the legal limit to his campaign.
I prefer that Barack Obama no longer be President and November is the only opportunity that we have for sending him into retirement.
Simple.[/quote]
Sad that our elections have devolved into a vote between to complete douchebags. Is this the best we can do? If so, then we truly are fucked.
A “higher well being”?! Psychiatrists call it delusion.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
bigflamer,
Pay close attention, we are going to have a Presidential election this November. There are going to be two main parties each offering a candidate. It will be Obama for the democrats and Romney for the republicans.
None of what you posted means that Romney isn’t more conservative than Obama.
What part about this are you not understanding?[/quote]
Yes, I understand just fine. This November, you’ll have the choice between a liberal Democrat and a liberal republican. And once again we’ll all be subjected to the hammer of the two party system. We’re graciously allowed to choose which end of the hammer pounds us all into shape.[/quote]
Yet, that is our choice.
Obama promised to raise taxes by 5% on ALL taxpayers beginning January 1st. Romney promised to lower taxes as he did 19 times as Governor.[/quote]
Romney was in opposition to the Bush tax cuts.
Do you believe he will actually do this? Do you think he can? If you do believe he will do this, what do you base this belief on? His past record and actions as a legislator?
[quote]
Obama is pro same sex marriage, Romney has always opposed same sex marriage.[/quote]
I support same sex marriage, so on this issue I side with Obama.
[quote]
Obama has driven small business crazy with too many regulations, Romney lowered regulations on small business as Governor.[/quote]
Yes, on this I would agree. Obama is hammering small business right now.
Frankly, I wouldn’t call either one of them a douche bag. Obama became President at the age of 47 quite an accomplishment! Granted you and I don’t agree with him on too much but still he’s a smart guy and has done exceptionally well in life.
Mitt Romney on the other hand is a political animal and very, very smart. A double Masters from Harvard in Law and Business. He then makes 200 million bucks in the private sector which shows he understands the economy. Pulls the Olympics out of the hole they were in. Becomes a Governor and now Presidential candidate. On top of all that he did something that I really admire. He is happily married to the same woman for 43 years and raised a great family.
Hey…sometimes you have to sit back stop all the mud throwing and political sniping and see things for what they are. Neither guy should be referred to as a “douch bag.”
And…
Romney’s not my first pick to be President, but he’s actually well above Obama who is very close to the bottom.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
bigflamer,
Pay close attention, we are going to have a Presidential election this November. There are going to be two main parties each offering a candidate. It will be Obama for the democrats and Romney for the republicans.
None of what you posted means that Romney isn’t more conservative than Obama.
What part about this are you not understanding?[/quote]
Yes, I understand just fine. This November, you’ll have the choice between a liberal Democrat and a liberal republican. And once again we’ll all be subjected to the hammer of the two party system. We’re graciously allowed to choose which end of the hammer pounds us all into shape.[/quote]
If it were our choice, wouldn’t Bush only have served one term? He did lose the popular vote in one of his elections, right? I can’t make the connection to that being our choice…
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
bigflamer,
Pay close attention, we are going to have a Presidential election this November. There are going to be two main parties each offering a candidate. It will be Obama for the democrats and Romney for the republicans.
None of what you posted means that Romney isn’t more conservative than Obama.
What part about this are you not understanding?[/quote]
Yes, I understand just fine. This November, you’ll have the choice between a liberal Democrat and a liberal republican. And once again we’ll all be subjected to the hammer of the two party system. We’re graciously allowed to choose which end of the hammer pounds us all into shape.[/quote]
Yet, that is our choice.
Obama promised to raise taxes by 5% on ALL taxpayers beginning January 1st. Romney promised to lower taxes as he did 19 times as Governor.
Obama promised to ram national health care down our throats. Romney promised to dismantle Obamacare as one of his first acts as President.
Obama is pro same sex marriage, Romney has always opposed same sex marriage.
Obama has driven small business crazy with too many regulations, Romney lowered regulations on small business as Governor.
I am not necessarily disagreeing with you on anything you’ve posted. All I am saying is that I am a pragmatic man and there is in fact a clear choice betweent the two men. No one can deny that.
Therefore, given the two choices I am not only going to vote for Mitt Romney I am going to donate the legal limit to his campaign.
I prefer that Barack Obama no longer be President and November is the only opportunity that we have for sending him into retirement.
Simple.
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Seems mighty convenient that he is taking all the things making Obama lose popularity and saying he’s going to reverse them. In some cases, flipflopping from what he previously said or did. But he’s not just telling everyone what they want to hear?
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
bigflamer,
Pay close attention, we are going to have a Presidential election this November. There are going to be two main parties each offering a candidate. It will be Obama for the democrats and Romney for the republicans.
None of what you posted means that Romney isn’t more conservative than Obama.
What part about this are you not understanding?[/quote]
Yes, I understand just fine. This November, you’ll have the choice between a liberal Democrat and a liberal republican. And once again we’ll all be subjected to the hammer of the two party system. We’re graciously allowed to choose which end of the hammer pounds us all into shape.[/quote]
Yet, that is our choice.
Obama promised to raise taxes by 5% on ALL taxpayers beginning January 1st. Romney promised to lower taxes as he did 19 times as Governor.
Obama promised to ram national health care down our throats. Romney promised to dismantle Obamacare as one of his first acts as President.
Obama is pro same sex marriage, Romney has always opposed same sex marriage.
Obama has driven small business crazy with too many regulations, Romney lowered regulations on small business as Governor.
I am not necessarily disagreeing with you on anything you’ve posted. All I am saying is that I am a pragmatic man and there is in fact a clear choice betweent the two men. No one can deny that.
Therefore, given the two choices I am not only going to vote for Mitt Romney I am going to donate the legal limit to his campaign.
I prefer that Barack Obama no longer be President and November is the only opportunity that we have for sending him into retirement.
Simple.
[/quote]
Seems mighty convenient that he is taking all the things making Obama lose popularity and saying he’s going to reverse them. In some cases, flipflopping from what he previously said or did. But he’s not just telling everyone what they want to hear?[/quote]
Why don’t you start naming all the things that Obama did that he wants to reverse but was previously for.
Because your blanket statement won’t cut it!
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jnd wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
you would certainly be paying less taxes
[/quote]
How do you figure , Because the Republicans say so ?
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Because democrats like to take money from those who have earne dand give it to those who have not earned it and do not deserve it.
Is it really that hard for you to follow?
Need a history lesson?
FDR did it!
LBJ did it!
Carter did it!
Clinton did it!
Obama is doing it and will do more of it if reelected as he’s promised to end the Bush tax cuts which means that every working American paying taxes will pay an increase of 5% more. Now this may or may not effect you but I know it will effect me.
And it has all been brought to you by the democratic party.
Are you clear now?
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You only post that because Republicans tell you that is how it is , if you check the facts will tell you the opposite . The biggest welfare reform came from Clinton . Oh that right if it is good it must have come from the Republican congress . Wow how could i be so blind 
Eye roll
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Pitt pick up a history book. Just stop posting for even a week and read a good political history book.
FDR created Social Security and many work programs such as the WPA and paid for it through highe taxes.
LBJ created the great war on poverty, which failed miserably (who would have thought that paying people NOT to work would fail in causing them to work…AND WE’RE STILL DOING IT!), and raised taxes to do it.
Jimmy Carter raised taxes his second year in office.
Bill Clinton raised taxes his first year in office and in fact it was one of his very first acts as President. Only when the democrats lost the mid-term elections and Newt Gingrich controlled the House (remember the contract with America) did Bill Clinton sign on to welfare reform. He had no choice if he wanted to pass any meaningful legislation. But nonetheles that does not negate the fact that he was a tax hiker like every othe democrats.
And now we have Obama, you must be so proud of him. He’s made life miserable for so many small business people with needless regulations that I cannot even begin to tell that horror story in a post. And if reelected he has promised to end the Bush tax cuts. That means that if Obama wins every working American will pay 5% more in taxes beginning in 2013!
Now I know in the meandering world of Pittbull facts are not that important. It’s all about blind accusations and meaningless rhetoric.
But, what I’ve told you are facts. If you disagree all you have to do is look it up!
Stop the nonsense. [/quote]
you forgot that Reagan and Bush Sr both raised taxes… Hmmmmm. That is a curious omission…[/quote]
You forgot to mention Ronny Reagan sucked donkey dick
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Nor did I mention that you’re an ignorant bastard.
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Thanks
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
you would certainly be paying less taxes
[/quote]
How do you figure , Because the Republicans say so ?
[/quote]
Because democrats like to take money from those who have earne dand give it to those who have not earned it and do not deserve it.
Is it really that hard for you to follow?
Need a history lesson?
FDR did it!
LBJ did it!
Carter did it!
Clinton did it!
Obama is doing it and will do more of it if reelected as he’s promised to end the Bush tax cuts which means that every working American paying taxes will pay an increase of 5% more. Now this may or may not effect you but I know it will effect me.
And it has all been brought to you by the democratic party.
Are you clear now?
[/quote]
You only post that because Republicans tell you that is how it is , if you check the facts will tell you the opposite . The biggest welfare reform came from Clinton . Oh that right if it is good it must have come from the Republican congress . Wow how could i be so blind Eye roll
[/quote]
Pitt pick up a history book. Just stop posting for even a week and read a good political history book.
FDR created Social Security and many work programs such as the WPA and paid for it through highe taxes.
LBJ created the great war on poverty, which failed miserably (who would have thought that paying people NOT to work would fail in causing them to work…AND WE’RE STILL DOING IT!), and raised taxes to do it.
Jimmy Carter raised taxes his second year in office.
Bill Clinton raised taxes his first year in office and in fact it was one of his very first acts as President. Only when the democrats lost the mid-term elections and Newt Gingrich controlled the House (remember the contract with America) did Bill Clinton sign on to welfare reform. He had no choice if he wanted to pass any meaningful legislation. But nonetheles that does not negate the fact that he was a tax hiker like every othe democrats.
And now we have Obama, you must be so proud of him. He’s made life miserable for so many small business people with needless regulations that I cannot even begin to tell that horror story in a post. And if reelected he has promised to end the Bush tax cuts. That means that if Obama wins every working American will pay 5% more in taxes beginning in 2013!
Now I know in the meandering world of Pittbull facts are not that important. It’s all about blind accusations and meaningless rhetoric.
But, what I’ve told you are facts. If you disagree all you have to do is look it up!
Stop the nonsense. [/quote]
last books Atlas Shrugged , 1776, presently reading Tale of two cities. You get caught up in a popular form of samantics . Everything you espouse is dogma the Republicans have created for your type of person . The Democrats have just as convincing dogma but they are the same [/quote]
If you are unable to accept the facts that I’ve posted above you’re either an idiot, or simply posting just to read your own posts.
You are denying, for example, that Bill Clinton raised taxes in his first year in office?
You are denying that fact?
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I know I am an ignorant Bastard but if you check the Record of all Responsible Presidents (That does not include King George ) they all raised taxes
Even the donkey dick sucker
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
A “higher well being”?! Psychiatrists call it delusion.[/quote]
And you should listen to them and keep taking your meds.