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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
americaninsweden wrote:
Lol stupid ass title. So if I change my political beliefs and alliances and vote for Romney this election I will all of the sudden be better off in 5/6 categories? I wonder how “muted” the statistics became after they took into account the factors they listed.

No, but if you stopped being a bitter loser, blaming others for your problems, you’d become more conservative.

Also, Romney is a Democrat. He no more represents “conservatism” than Lagy Gaga speaks for women.

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Nonsense, Romney lowered taxes as Governor 19 times!

He’s against Obamacare and has sworn to get rid of it as one of his first acts as President.

He is opposed to gay marriage.

He is for less regulation on small business (and proved this by lessoning regulation when he was Governor).

If those things are not conservative then maybe Lady Gaga does speak for most women.[/quote]

Rommney is the father of Obamacare. He says lots of conservative things, then does liberal things. In short, he’s Obama in Republican clothing.[/quote]

Once again, you’re dead wrong.

Granted he is a politician, but he’s also smart, unless you think their handing out law degrees and business degrees from Harvard to idiots. He also, unlike Obama made over 200 million dollars in his own business. Hence, he will do the smart thing. And the smart thing is to get rid of Obamacare. 67% of the American people are against Obamacare…he’ll ditch it.

And he did in fact lower taxes 19 times as Governor. How many times did Obama vote to lower taxes while in the Senate? How many times did he lower taxes as President? ZERO!

Furthermore, he’s always been against gay marriage. And he’s against abortion. Both opposite positions than Obama holds.

Now you can swallow the media lie which says Romney is no different, but that is being perpetuated to keep the republican base home on election day.

Or you can believe the facts.

Up to you.[/quote]

Obama and Michelle are idiots, so the Harvard law degree does not impress me.

I could address the other issues, with links (down to Romney being FOR gay marriage last week, until he flip-flopped), but I can’t be bothered.

Romney is 100% scum, and is going to get his ass 100% handed to him by Obama, which is OK, because they are 100% the same.

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
Granted he is a politician, but he’s also smart, unless you think their handing out law degrees and business degrees from Harvard to idiots. He also, unlike Obama made over 200 million dollars in his own business. Hence, he will do the smart thing. And the smart thing is to get rid of Obamacare. 67% of the American people are against Obamacare…he’ll ditch it.

And he did in fact lower taxes 19 times as Governor. How many times did Obama vote to lower taxes while in the Senate? How many times did he lower taxes as President? ZERO!

Furthermore, he’s always been against gay marriage. And he’s against abortion. Both opposite positions than Obama holds.

Now you can swallow the media lie which says Romney is no different, but that is being perpetuated to keep the republican base home on election day.

Or you can believe the facts.

Up to you.

Obama and Michelle are idiots, so the Harvard law degree does not impress me.[/quote]

The degree doesn’t have to impress you in order for it to be worthy of respect. The Obama’s are not idiots, they’re very intelligent people. You and I just happen to disagree with them that does not make them idiots. And you should be impressed with Romney’s two degrees from Harvard it’s not an easy school to graduate from with such honors.

Then don’t post about it if you can’t back it up. Besides did you know that Ronald Reagan raised taxes in California as Governor? Yet, he “evolved” to a become more conservative. Intelligent people can change their minds…You know that right?

You obviously are not a very informed person which is not a brilliant observation on my part it’s apparent to anyone who reads your posts.

You’re proving that you are not a very bright individual as well with that statement. You just called someone a scum who has been married to the same woman for 43 years, raised a nice family, achieved great success scholastically, in business and in politics.

If he’s a scum what do you call the average person?

Win or lose I’ve already explained to you twice how they are completely different. And your retort? Nuh uh…(eye roll)

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Then don’t post about it if you can’t back it up. Besides did you know that Ronald Reagan raised taxes in California as Governor? Yet, he “evolved” to a become more conservative. Intelligent people can change their minds…You know that right?
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Considering that Reagan raised taxes as President (I believe it was 12 times), I am not sure that this example demonstrates “evolving”.

jnd

[quote]ZEB wrote:

The degree doesn’t have to impress you in order for it to be worthy of respect. The Obama’s are not idiots, they’re very intelligent people. You and I just happen to disagree with them that does not make them idiots. And you should be impressed with Romney’s two degrees from Harvard it’s not an easy school to graduate from with such honors.

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Anyone know who was the last president who didn’t go to either Harvard or Yale? Whoever it was must’ve been a big dummy.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
americaninsweden wrote:
Lol stupid ass title. So if I change my political beliefs and alliances and vote for Romney this election I will all of the sudden be better off in 5/6 categories? I wonder how “muted” the statistics became after they took into account the factors they listed.

No, but if you stopped being a bitter loser, blaming others for your problems, you’d become more conservative.

Also, Romney is a Democrat. He no more represents “conservatism” than Lagy Gaga speaks for women.

[/quote]

Nonsense, Romney lowered taxes as Governor 19 times!

He’s against Obamacare and has sworn to get rid of it as one of his first acts as President.

He is opposed to gay marriage.

He is for less regulation on small business (and proved this by lessoning regulation when he was Governor).

If those things are not conservative then maybe Lady Gaga does speak for most women.[/quote]

Rommney is the father of Obamacare. He says lots of conservative things, then does liberal things. In short, he’s Obama in Republican clothing.[/quote]

Once again, you’re dead wrong.

Granted he is a politician, but he’s also smart, unless you think their handing out law degrees and business degrees from Harvard to idiots. He also, unlike Obama made over 200 million dollars in his own business. Hence, he will do the smart thing. And the smart thing is to get rid of Obamacare. 67% of the American people are against Obamacare…he’ll ditch it.

And he did in fact lower taxes 19 times as Governor. How many times did Obama vote to lower taxes while in the Senate? How many times did he lower taxes as President? ZERO!

Furthermore, he’s always been against gay marriage. And he’s against abortion. Both opposite positions than Obama holds.

Now you can swallow the media lie which says Romney is no different, but that is being perpetuated to keep the republican base home on election day.

Or you can believe the facts.

Up to you.[/quote]

It’s funny that you would castigate Ron Paul as a kook, yet you eagerly embrace Romney with open arms as a “true conservative”. LOL

You my friend, have to stop chugging the kool-aid long enough for some honest observation. Dr. Paul has what Romney absolutely DOES NOT HAVE; consistency and integrity. Mittens is a politicians politician; a polished liar with perfect hair saying whatever will get you to jump in bed with him. And all the republican will swallow the load, and fall right in line…

http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/../2011/07/mitt_romney_a_liberals_liberal_republican.html

[i]Mitt Romney: A Liberal’s Liberal Republican
By Zbigniew Mazurak

The most prominent candidate for the GOP nomination is former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney. He’s a prolific fundraiser and enjoys widespread name recognition, and he’s the darling of the GOP establishment. George Will lists him as one of the few serious presidential candidates.

But should Romney be the GOP’s presidential nominee? The answer is “absolutely not.”

Although there is no “perfect conservative,” and although conservatives have serious issues with every candidate running, Mitt Romney is nothing more than a strident liberal masquerading as a moderate. As Selwyn Duke rightly wrote in 2007, Romney is the Barack Obama of the GOP. Every Republican has made his share of mistakes, but Romney is a committed liberal on the whole spectrum of issues.

Conservatives know that Romney was pro-abortion for a long time before he first ran for the presidency in 2007, at which time he “changed his position” because he was now asking for the votes of conservatives. Romney has also supported “gay rights,” and as Massachusetts governor, he implemented same-sex marriage by executive fiat.

In 2004, the MA Supreme Court ruled that the state’s marriage law was unconstitutional – but the Court did not rule, contrary to what is claimed, that gay marriage must be legalized and that the state constitution contains a “right” to marry. Yet, as soon as the ruling was issued, Romney commanded state agencies, by executive order, to start issuing marriage licenses to homosexual couples.

Romney is stridently liberal on fiscal and economic issues. He did not initially support the Bush tax cuts; he has long opposed (and continues to oppose) the flat tax, calling it “a tax cut for fat cats”; he used fee hikes and “loophole-closing measures” to balance the Massachusetts state budget; and when he found items in it which he deemed wasteful or unneccessary, such as $30 million per year for hotel rooms for homeless people, he spent such sums on something else rather than use them to balance the budget.

Mitt believes that anthropogenic global warming is real and that humanity must act urgently to stop it. In 2005, he even claimed that a cap-and-tax scheme would be “good for business.” But as hundreds of scientists, including AT contributor Dr. S. Fred Singer, have stated, anthropogenic global warming is a myth; humanity exerts little, if any, influence over this planet’s climate, which changes naturally from time to time. Why would the GOP nominate a candidate who believes in the global warming scam?

Romney also supports lavish ethanol subsidies and nonethanol farm subsidies (CNN Youtube Debate, Part 5, 6:06), probably to pander to agricultural states like Iowa, even though ethanol has not decreased America’s degree of dependence on imported oil, gets poorer mileage than standard gasoline, and is more harmful for the environment. To obtain the biological material for ethanol, to produce the fuel, and to transport it (with big, polluting trucks), you have to expend as much oil as ethanol replaces. No wonder why John Stossel has listed the “Ethanol is great!” claim as #1 on his top-ten list of “myths, lies, and downright stupidities.”

Of course, no discussion of Romney’s big-government record can be complete without a mention of the Massachusetts socialized medicine scheme he championed and signed into law, with a grinning Ted Kennedy in the background.

Romney protests that this scheme was a valid exercise in federalism, while Obama’s federal scheme is an unacceptable federal intrusion. But conservatives should not allow Romney to lead them into the federalism trap.

In America, every state is free to choose its own policy on many issues. However, no state has the right to infringe the personal and economic liberties of individual Americans. No state has the right to require its citizens to buy insurance policies or to otherwise dictate how Americans may live. A state tyranny is just as bad as a federal tyranny, and the Tenth Amendment is no excuse for the former. Moreover, it is no excuse for any failed scheme – and Romney’s scheme has utterly failed in Massachusetts, with costs rising and threatening to bankrupt the state budget. Now Romney advisor Mike Leavitt is telling Republicans to suck it up.

The biggest problem with Obama’s socialized medicine scheme is not that it has been imposed at the federal level, but that it’s socialized. Likewise, the biggest problem with Romney’s scheme, which could cost him the nomination, is that it represents socialized medicine. And as Vladimir Lenin has said, “socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of a socialist state.”

We conservatives value individual liberties (personal and economic freedoms alike) above states’ rights and the federal government. We believe that every American should be free to do as he pleases, as long as he doesn’t threaten anyone else, but should also bear his personal responsibilities. Under what constitutional provision should taxpayers be forced to pay for bloated entitlement schemes like Romney’s and Obama’s plans, which benefit someone else?

This is a product of the socialist “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” ideology.

David Axelrod has admitted that Romney’s scheme served as “a template” for Obama’s. Even Rep. Paul Ryan, who likes Mitt Romney, admits that the two schemes are “not that dissimilar.” Obama has already warned that he will denounce any Republican who has implemented a socialized medicine scheme as governor (if Republicans nominate a governor) as a hypocrite. And Obama would be right to do so. How can Romney credibly condemn the president for a socialized medicine scheme, bloated government spending, and policies causing high energy prices when Romney himself is on record as supporting all of these policies? He can’t, and Obama will have unlimited money with which to make that point.

And, as Doug Brady points out, President Romney would not stop America’s march to socialism and shrink the federal government. In the best case, he would only halt it, and with it, America’s decline. But there’s no reason to doubt that he will flip-flop again and insist that Obama’s schemes are salvageable, if only he’s be there to do the right trimming around the edges.

It is nonsense to claim that Romney, as a “moderate,” can appeal to centrist/independent voters and thus win the election. Independents don’t vote for Republicans who are not significantly different from their Democratic rivals. Romney is, on the issues, so aligned with Obama that there’s no real difference between them. When faced with a choice between a liberal Democrat and a liberal Republican, Americans always choose the Democrat (vide 1976, 1992, 1996, and 2008). An overt RINO can never defeat a Democrat.

The reason why Romney is even considered for the nomination is because of his name recognition, establishment pedigree, the establishment’s praise for him, and liberal media propaganda. The MSM wants to make sure that Romney becomes the nominee because he would be the easiest candidate for Obama to beat. Team Obama is already praying that Romney crosses the finish line first.

It’s time to stand up to the GOP establishment and say “no to Mitt Romney as the GOP nominee!”
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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Because democrats like to take money from those who have earne dand give it to those who have not earned it and do not deserve it.

[/quote]

Serious question.
How do you determine who deserve ‘it’?

[/quote]

And I’ll give you a serious answer as I always have.

People who earn their money deserve to keep it.

People who do not have a job and do not earn money do not deserve to get money from those who have earned it.

Because…when we take something from someone who has earned it and give it to someone who has not earned it we harm both the person we took it from and the person that we gave it to.

Simple.[/quote]

This. Work hard, keep your money, redistribute as you see best. Not everyone that makes decent money is hoarding it or buying multiple boats and hummers and living the high life.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Because democrats like to take money from those who have earne dand give it to those who have not earned it and do not deserve it.

[/quote]

Serious question.
How do you determine who deserve ‘it’?

[/quote]

And I’ll give you a serious answer as I always have.

People who earn their money deserve to keep it.

People who do not have a job and do not earn money do not deserve to get money from those who have earned it.

Because…when we take something from someone who has earned it and give it to someone who has not earned it we harm both the person we took it from and the person that we gave it to.

Simple.[/quote]

Not all welfare programs go to only jobless people, even people with jobs still need help…

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

you would certainly be paying less taxes

[/quote]

How do you figure , Because the Republicans say so ?
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Because democrats like to take money from those who have earne dand give it to those who have not earned it and do not deserve it.

Is it really that hard for you to follow?

Need a history lesson?

FDR did it!

LBJ did it!

Carter did it!

Clinton did it!

Obama is doing it and will do more of it if reelected as he’s promised to end the Bush tax cuts which means that every working American paying taxes will pay an increase of 5% more. Now this may or may not effect you but I know it will effect me.

And it has all been brought to you by the democratic party.

Are you clear now?

[/quote]

You only post that because Republicans tell you that is how it is , if you check the facts will tell you the opposite . The biggest welfare reform came from Clinton . Oh that right if it is good it must have come from the Republican congress . Wow how could i be so blind :slight_smile: Eye roll

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

you would certainly be paying less taxes

[/quote]

How do you figure , Because the Republicans say so ?
[/quote]

Because democrats like to take money from those who have earne dand give it to those who have not earned it and do not deserve it.

Is it really that hard for you to follow?

Need a history lesson?

FDR did it!

LBJ did it!

Carter did it!

Clinton did it!

Obama is doing it and will do more of it if reelected as he’s promised to end the Bush tax cuts which means that every working American paying taxes will pay an increase of 5% more. Now this may or may not effect you but I know it will effect me.

And it has all been brought to you by the democratic party.

Are you clear now?

[/quote]

You only post that because Republicans tell you that is how it is , if you check the facts will tell you the opposite . The biggest welfare reform came from Clinton . Oh that right if it is good it must have come from the Republican congress . Wow how could i be so blind :slight_smile: Eye roll
[/quote]

Pitt pick up a history book. Just stop posting for even a week and read a good political history book.

  1. FDR created Social Security and many work programs such as the WPA and paid for it through highe taxes.

  2. LBJ created the great war on poverty, which failed miserably (who would have thought that paying people NOT to work would fail in causing them to work…AND WE’RE STILL DOING IT!), and raised taxes to do it.

  3. Jimmy Carter raised taxes his second year in office.

  4. Bill Clinton raised taxes his first year in office and in fact it was one of his very first acts as President. Only when the democrats lost the mid-term elections and Newt Gingrich controlled the House (remember the contract with America) did Bill Clinton sign on to welfare reform. He had no choice if he wanted to pass any meaningful legislation. But nonetheles that does not negate the fact that he was a tax hiker like every othe democrats.

  5. And now we have Obama, you must be so proud of him. He’s made life miserable for so many small business people with needless regulations that I cannot even begin to tell that horror story in a post. And if reelected he has promised to end the Bush tax cuts. That means that if Obama wins every working American will pay 5% more in taxes beginning in 2013!

Now I know in the meandering world of Pittbull facts are not that important. It’s all about blind accusations and meaningless rhetoric.

But, what I’ve told you are facts. If you disagree all you have to do is look it up!

Stop the nonsense.

[quote]Bambi wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Bambi,

One of my favorite episodes of Family Guy. Most of them have a decidedly left wing tilt. But it’s just a cartoon it can’t possibly influence anyone–Right?

And Jon Stewart, Bill Marr, David Letterman, The Colbert Report, Jay Leno and a host of other liberal media mouth pieces. They’re just comedians, mere clowns. No one really bothers paying attention to what they have to say–Right?

Ah…the subtle art of persuasion.
[/quote]

I have little time for Family Guy. One of the worst was when they had Meg be a Christian and then Brian said why did God love her if he made her ugly. But Seth MacFarlane’s been running the show into the ground for a while

I feel you could say the same for people on the right-wing side on the political spectrum. If you derive your views and opinions from one source, and in particular one person’s viewpoint, you’re going to spout shit. Nothing exclusively left-wing or right-wing about it; both claim to have the truth, peope fall for it.

Anyhoo, I just thought the video was funny (well as funny as recent family guy gets) and tangentially relevant. [/quote]

totally agree, im a democrat but that episode was awful, i loved family guy but it is sooo preachy now its almost unwatchable even for someone as shallow as myself

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

you would certainly be paying less taxes

[/quote]

How do you figure , Because the Republicans say so ?
[/quote]

Because democrats like to take money from those who have earne dand give it to those who have not earned it and do not deserve it.

Is it really that hard for you to follow?

Need a history lesson?

FDR did it!

LBJ did it!

Carter did it!

Clinton did it!

Obama is doing it and will do more of it if reelected as he’s promised to end the Bush tax cuts which means that every working American paying taxes will pay an increase of 5% more. Now this may or may not effect you but I know it will effect me.

And it has all been brought to you by the democratic party.

Are you clear now?

[/quote]

You only post that because Republicans tell you that is how it is , if you check the facts will tell you the opposite . The biggest welfare reform came from Clinton . Oh that right if it is good it must have come from the Republican congress . Wow how could i be so blind :slight_smile: Eye roll
[/quote]

Pitt pick up a history book. Just stop posting for even a week and read a good political history book.

  1. FDR created Social Security and many work programs such as the WPA and paid for it through highe taxes.

  2. LBJ created the great war on poverty, which failed miserably (who would have thought that paying people NOT to work would fail in causing them to work…AND WE’RE STILL DOING IT!), and raised taxes to do it.

  3. Jimmy Carter raised taxes his second year in office.

  4. Bill Clinton raised taxes his first year in office and in fact it was one of his very first acts as President. Only when the democrats lost the mid-term elections and Newt Gingrich controlled the House (remember the contract with America) did Bill Clinton sign on to welfare reform. He had no choice if he wanted to pass any meaningful legislation. But nonetheles that does not negate the fact that he was a tax hiker like every othe democrats.

  5. And now we have Obama, you must be so proud of him. He’s made life miserable for so many small business people with needless regulations that I cannot even begin to tell that horror story in a post. And if reelected he has promised to end the Bush tax cuts. That means that if Obama wins every working American will pay 5% more in taxes beginning in 2013!

Now I know in the meandering world of Pittbull facts are not that important. It’s all about blind accusations and meaningless rhetoric.

But, what I’ve told you are facts. If you disagree all you have to do is look it up!

Stop the nonsense. [/quote]

you forgot that Reagan and Bush Sr both raised taxes… Hmmmmm. That is a curious omission…

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

It’s funny that you would castigate Ron Paul as a kook, yet you eagerly embrace Romney with open arms as a “true conservative”. LOL

You my friend, have to stop chugging the kool-aid long enough for some honest observation. Dr. Paul has what Romney absolutely DOES NOT HAVE; consistency and integrity.
[/quote]

This gets so tedious…

Conservatism for dummys:

"conservatism. The political outlook which springs from a desire to conserve existing things, held to be either good in themselves, or better than the likely alternatives, or at least safe, familiar, and the objects of trust and affection…Typically conservatives regard society as an achievement, which, for all its imperfections, is likely to be preferable to the pre-social state of nature(see Hobbes.) They might also hold (as against certain forms of liberalism) that society is in some sense antecedent to the individuals which compose it, the individual being a social artifact, the product of historical conditions that ally him to customs, values and expectations without which he is seriously damaged or incomplete(see Burke.)

These customs values and expectations are therefore intrinsically objects of respect…What then remains to a conservative when customs and values which command his support begin to lose their authority? Modern conservatism has arisen in response to that problem, emphasizing the need for the legitimation of values either through the renewal of traditions (or) through religious doctrine…’ - A Dictionary of Political Thought by Roger Scruton


Gee, that sounds so much like Dr. Paul the true conservative.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

you would certainly be paying less taxes

[/quote]

How do you figure , Because the Republicans say so ?
[/quote]

Because democrats like to take money from those who have earne dand give it to those who have not earned it and do not deserve it.

Is it really that hard for you to follow?

Need a history lesson?

FDR did it!

LBJ did it!

Carter did it!

Clinton did it!

Obama is doing it and will do more of it if reelected as he’s promised to end the Bush tax cuts which means that every working American paying taxes will pay an increase of 5% more. Now this may or may not effect you but I know it will effect me.

And it has all been brought to you by the democratic party.

Are you clear now?

[/quote]

You only post that because Republicans tell you that is how it is , if you check the facts will tell you the opposite . The biggest welfare reform came from Clinton . Oh that right if it is good it must have come from the Republican congress . Wow how could i be so blind :slight_smile: Eye roll
[/quote]

Pitt pick up a history book. Just stop posting for even a week and read a good political history book.

  1. FDR created Social Security and many work programs such as the WPA and paid for it through highe taxes.

  2. LBJ created the great war on poverty, which failed miserably (who would have thought that paying people NOT to work would fail in causing them to work…AND WE’RE STILL DOING IT!), and raised taxes to do it.

  3. Jimmy Carter raised taxes his second year in office.

  4. Bill Clinton raised taxes his first year in office and in fact it was one of his very first acts as President. Only when the democrats lost the mid-term elections and Newt Gingrich controlled the House (remember the contract with America) did Bill Clinton sign on to welfare reform. He had no choice if he wanted to pass any meaningful legislation. But nonetheles that does not negate the fact that he was a tax hiker like every othe democrats.

  5. And now we have Obama, you must be so proud of him. He’s made life miserable for so many small business people with needless regulations that I cannot even begin to tell that horror story in a post. And if reelected he has promised to end the Bush tax cuts. That means that if Obama wins every working American will pay 5% more in taxes beginning in 2013!

Now I know in the meandering world of Pittbull facts are not that important. It’s all about blind accusations and meaningless rhetoric.

But, what I’ve told you are facts. If you disagree all you have to do is look it up!

Stop the nonsense. [/quote]

last books Atlas Shrugged , 1776, presently reading Tale of two cities. You get caught up in a popular form of samantics . Everything you espouse is dogma the Republicans have created for your type of person . The Democrats have just as convincing dogma but they are the same

[quote]jnd wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

you would certainly be paying less taxes

[/quote]

How do you figure , Because the Republicans say so ?
[/quote]

Because democrats like to take money from those who have earne dand give it to those who have not earned it and do not deserve it.

Is it really that hard for you to follow?

Need a history lesson?

FDR did it!

LBJ did it!

Carter did it!

Clinton did it!

Obama is doing it and will do more of it if reelected as he’s promised to end the Bush tax cuts which means that every working American paying taxes will pay an increase of 5% more. Now this may or may not effect you but I know it will effect me.

And it has all been brought to you by the democratic party.

Are you clear now?

[/quote]

You only post that because Republicans tell you that is how it is , if you check the facts will tell you the opposite . The biggest welfare reform came from Clinton . Oh that right if it is good it must have come from the Republican congress . Wow how could i be so blind :slight_smile: Eye roll
[/quote]

Pitt pick up a history book. Just stop posting for even a week and read a good political history book.

  1. FDR created Social Security and many work programs such as the WPA and paid for it through highe taxes.

  2. LBJ created the great war on poverty, which failed miserably (who would have thought that paying people NOT to work would fail in causing them to work…AND WE’RE STILL DOING IT!), and raised taxes to do it.

  3. Jimmy Carter raised taxes his second year in office.

  4. Bill Clinton raised taxes his first year in office and in fact it was one of his very first acts as President. Only when the democrats lost the mid-term elections and Newt Gingrich controlled the House (remember the contract with America) did Bill Clinton sign on to welfare reform. He had no choice if he wanted to pass any meaningful legislation. But nonetheles that does not negate the fact that he was a tax hiker like every othe democrats.

  5. And now we have Obama, you must be so proud of him. He’s made life miserable for so many small business people with needless regulations that I cannot even begin to tell that horror story in a post. And if reelected he has promised to end the Bush tax cuts. That means that if Obama wins every working American will pay 5% more in taxes beginning in 2013!

Now I know in the meandering world of Pittbull facts are not that important. It’s all about blind accusations and meaningless rhetoric.

But, what I’ve told you are facts. If you disagree all you have to do is look it up!

Stop the nonsense. [/quote]

you forgot that Reagan and Bush Sr both raised taxes… Hmmmmm. That is a curious omission…[/quote]

You forgot to mention Ronny Reagan sucked donkey dick

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

It’s funny that you would castigate Ron Paul as a kook, yet you eagerly embrace Romney with open arms as a “true conservative”. LOL

You my friend, have to stop chugging the kool-aid long enough for some honest observation. Dr. Paul has what Romney absolutely DOES NOT HAVE; consistency and integrity.
[/quote]

This gets so tedious…

Conservatism for dummys:

"conservatism. The political outlook which springs from a desire to conserve existing things, held to be either good in themselves, or better than the likely alternatives, or at least safe, familiar, and the objects of trust and affection…Typically conservatives regard society as an achievement, which, for all its imperfections, is likely to be preferable to the pre-social state of nature(see Hobbes.) They might also hold (as against certain forms of liberalism) that society is in some sense antecedent to the individuals which compose it, the individual being a social artifact, the product of historical conditions that ally him to customs, values and expectations without which he is seriously damaged or incomplete(see Burke.)

These customs values and expectations are therefore intrinsically objects of respect…What then remains to a conservative when customs and values which command his support begin to lose their authority? Modern conservatism has arisen in response to that problem, emphasizing the need for the legitimation of values either through the renewal of traditions (or) through religious doctrine…’ - A Dictionary of Political Thought by Roger Scruton


Gee, that sounds so much like Dr. Paul the true conservative.[/quote]

Gee, that sounds so much like the record of Mittens, the true conservative. lol…I’ll take Dr. Paul’s record, HANDS DOWN, over Mittens record any day.

So, tell me again how the above explains away the liberal record of Romney. Tell me again how Romney isn’t a flip flopper on the scale of John Kerry. Tell me again how the GOP isn’t pushing Romney as their new wonder boy, completely retooled as a conservative! And just in time for the election too! How convenient!! What a win for conservatism!! LOL

What does Romney believe? Whatever you believe…

Just remember not to gag as you swallow the load, it’s a big one.

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

It’s funny that you would castigate Ron Paul as a kook, yet you eagerly embrace Romney with open arms as a “true conservative”. LOL

You my friend, have to stop chugging the kool-aid long enough for some honest observation. Dr. Paul has what Romney absolutely DOES NOT HAVE; consistency and integrity.
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This gets so tedious…

Conservatism for dummys:

"conservatism. The political outlook which springs from a desire to conserve existing things, held to be either good in themselves, or better than the likely alternatives, or at least safe, familiar, and the objects of trust and affection…Typically conservatives regard society as an achievement, which, for all its imperfections, is likely to be preferable to the pre-social state of nature(see Hobbes.) They might also hold (as against certain forms of liberalism) that society is in some sense antecedent to the individuals which compose it, the individual being a social artifact, the product of historical conditions that ally him to customs, values and expectations without which he is seriously damaged or incomplete(see Burke.)

These customs values and expectations are therefore intrinsically objects of respect…What then remains to a conservative when customs and values which command his support begin to lose their authority? Modern conservatism has arisen in response to that problem, emphasizing the need for the legitimation of values either through the renewal of traditions (or) through religious doctrine…’ - A Dictionary of Political Thought by Roger Scruton


Gee, that sounds so much like Dr. Paul the true conservative.[/quote]

Gee, that sounds so much like the record of Mittens, the true conservative. lol…I’ll take Dr. Paul’s record, HANDS DOWN, over Mittens record any day.

So, tell me again how the above explains away the liberal record of Romney. Tell me again how Romney isn’t a flip flopper on the scale of John Kerry. Tell me again how the GOP isn’t pushing Romney as their new wonder boy, completely retooled as a conservative! And just in time for the election too! How convenient!! What a win for conservatism!! LOL

What does Romney believe? Whatever you believe…

Just remember not to gag as you swallow the load, it’s a big one.
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I was talking about Ron Paul and conservatism. I never mentioned Romney. What I will say is that Romney is a lot closer to conservatism than Obama.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

you would certainly be paying less taxes

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How do you figure , Because the Republicans say so ?
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Because democrats like to take money from those who have earne dand give it to those who have not earned it and do not deserve it.

Is it really that hard for you to follow?

Need a history lesson?

FDR did it!

LBJ did it!

Carter did it!

Clinton did it!

Obama is doing it and will do more of it if reelected as he’s promised to end the Bush tax cuts which means that every working American paying taxes will pay an increase of 5% more. Now this may or may not effect you but I know it will effect me.

And it has all been brought to you by the democratic party.

Are you clear now?

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You only post that because Republicans tell you that is how it is , if you check the facts will tell you the opposite . The biggest welfare reform came from Clinton . Oh that right if it is good it must have come from the Republican congress . Wow how could i be so blind :slight_smile: Eye roll
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Pitt pick up a history book. Just stop posting for even a week and read a good political history book.

  1. FDR created Social Security and many work programs such as the WPA and paid for it through highe taxes.

  2. LBJ created the great war on poverty, which failed miserably (who would have thought that paying people NOT to work would fail in causing them to work…AND WE’RE STILL DOING IT!), and raised taxes to do it.

  3. Jimmy Carter raised taxes his second year in office.

  4. Bill Clinton raised taxes his first year in office and in fact it was one of his very first acts as President. Only when the democrats lost the mid-term elections and Newt Gingrich controlled the House (remember the contract with America) did Bill Clinton sign on to welfare reform. He had no choice if he wanted to pass any meaningful legislation. But nonetheles that does not negate the fact that he was a tax hiker like every othe democrats.

  5. And now we have Obama, you must be so proud of him. He’s made life miserable for so many small business people with needless regulations that I cannot even begin to tell that horror story in a post. And if reelected he has promised to end the Bush tax cuts. That means that if Obama wins every working American will pay 5% more in taxes beginning in 2013!

Now I know in the meandering world of Pittbull facts are not that important. It’s all about blind accusations and meaningless rhetoric.

But, what I’ve told you are facts. If you disagree all you have to do is look it up!

Stop the nonsense. [/quote]

last books Atlas Shrugged , 1776, presently reading Tale of two cities. You get caught up in a popular form of samantics . Everything you espouse is dogma the Republicans have created for your type of person . The Democrats have just as convincing dogma but they are the same [/quote]

If you are unable to accept the facts that I’ve posted above you’re either an idiot, or simply posting just to read your own posts.

You are denying, for example, that Bill Clinton raised taxes in his first year in office?

You are denying that fact?

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]jnd wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

you would certainly be paying less taxes

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How do you figure , Because the Republicans say so ?
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Because democrats like to take money from those who have earne dand give it to those who have not earned it and do not deserve it.

Is it really that hard for you to follow?

Need a history lesson?

FDR did it!

LBJ did it!

Carter did it!

Clinton did it!

Obama is doing it and will do more of it if reelected as he’s promised to end the Bush tax cuts which means that every working American paying taxes will pay an increase of 5% more. Now this may or may not effect you but I know it will effect me.

And it has all been brought to you by the democratic party.

Are you clear now?

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You only post that because Republicans tell you that is how it is , if you check the facts will tell you the opposite . The biggest welfare reform came from Clinton . Oh that right if it is good it must have come from the Republican congress . Wow how could i be so blind :slight_smile: Eye roll
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Pitt pick up a history book. Just stop posting for even a week and read a good political history book.

  1. FDR created Social Security and many work programs such as the WPA and paid for it through highe taxes.

  2. LBJ created the great war on poverty, which failed miserably (who would have thought that paying people NOT to work would fail in causing them to work…AND WE’RE STILL DOING IT!), and raised taxes to do it.

  3. Jimmy Carter raised taxes his second year in office.

  4. Bill Clinton raised taxes his first year in office and in fact it was one of his very first acts as President. Only when the democrats lost the mid-term elections and Newt Gingrich controlled the House (remember the contract with America) did Bill Clinton sign on to welfare reform. He had no choice if he wanted to pass any meaningful legislation. But nonetheles that does not negate the fact that he was a tax hiker like every othe democrats.

  5. And now we have Obama, you must be so proud of him. He’s made life miserable for so many small business people with needless regulations that I cannot even begin to tell that horror story in a post. And if reelected he has promised to end the Bush tax cuts. That means that if Obama wins every working American will pay 5% more in taxes beginning in 2013!

Now I know in the meandering world of Pittbull facts are not that important. It’s all about blind accusations and meaningless rhetoric.

But, what I’ve told you are facts. If you disagree all you have to do is look it up!

Stop the nonsense. [/quote]

you forgot that Reagan and Bush Sr both raised taxes… Hmmmmm. That is a curious omission…[/quote]

You forgot to mention Ronny Reagan sucked donkey dick
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Nor did I mention that you’re an ignorant bastard.

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

It’s funny that you would castigate Ron Paul as a kook, yet you eagerly embrace Romney with open arms as a “true conservative”. LOL

You my friend, have to stop chugging the kool-aid long enough for some honest observation. Dr. Paul has what Romney absolutely DOES NOT HAVE; consistency and integrity.
[/quote]

This gets so tedious…

Conservatism for dummys:

"conservatism. The political outlook which springs from a desire to conserve existing things, held to be either good in themselves, or better than the likely alternatives, or at least safe, familiar, and the objects of trust and affection…Typically conservatives regard society as an achievement, which, for all its imperfections, is likely to be preferable to the pre-social state of nature(see Hobbes.) They might also hold (as against certain forms of liberalism) that society is in some sense antecedent to the individuals which compose it, the individual being a social artifact, the product of historical conditions that ally him to customs, values and expectations without which he is seriously damaged or incomplete(see Burke.)

These customs values and expectations are therefore intrinsically objects of respect…What then remains to a conservative when customs and values which command his support begin to lose their authority? Modern conservatism has arisen in response to that problem, emphasizing the need for the legitimation of values either through the renewal of traditions (or) through religious doctrine…’ - A Dictionary of Political Thought by Roger Scruton


Gee, that sounds so much like Dr. Paul the true conservative.[/quote]

Gee, that sounds so much like the record of Mittens, the true conservative. lol…I’ll take Dr. Paul’s record, HANDS DOWN, over Mittens record any day.

So, tell me again how the above explains away the liberal record of Romney. Tell me again how Romney isn’t a flip flopper on the scale of John Kerry. Tell me again how the GOP isn’t pushing Romney as their new wonder boy, completely retooled as a conservative! And just in time for the election too! How convenient!! What a win for conservatism!! LOL

What does Romney believe? Whatever you believe…

Just remember not to gag as you swallow the load, it’s a big one.
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He might not be as conservative as some would like him to be but…

  1. He lowered taxes as Governor 19 times.

  2. He lessoned regulation on small business as Governor.

  3. He will dismantle Obamacare as one of his first acts. And not maybe because he is fundamentally against it, but for two reasons, the first and most obvious 67% of the people are opposed to Obamacare. And in order to get reelected he needs the support of the conservative wing of the party.

So, sure Paul is more conservative, but what does that mean? My Uncle Harry is more conservative too. They both have about the same odds of becoming President.

The choice will be four more years of Obama, in which case you KNOW what you have. Or four years of guy who is more conservative than Obama by a very large margin. Not to mention that he understands the economy far better than any President that we’ve had in about 60 years.

I’m supporting Romney and I’m happy to do it.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

It’s funny that you would castigate Ron Paul as a kook, yet you eagerly embrace Romney with open arms as a “true conservative”. LOL

You my friend, have to stop chugging the kool-aid long enough for some honest observation. Dr. Paul has what Romney absolutely DOES NOT HAVE; consistency and integrity.
[/quote]

This gets so tedious…

Conservatism for dummys:

"conservatism. The political outlook which springs from a desire to conserve existing things, held to be either good in themselves, or better than the likely alternatives, or at least safe, familiar, and the objects of trust and affection…Typically conservatives regard society as an achievement, which, for all its imperfections, is likely to be preferable to the pre-social state of nature(see Hobbes.) They might also hold (as against certain forms of liberalism) that society is in some sense antecedent to the individuals which compose it, the individual being a social artifact, the product of historical conditions that ally him to customs, values and expectations without which he is seriously damaged or incomplete(see Burke.)

These customs values and expectations are therefore intrinsically objects of respect…What then remains to a conservative when customs and values which command his support begin to lose their authority? Modern conservatism has arisen in response to that problem, emphasizing the need for the legitimation of values either through the renewal of traditions (or) through religious doctrine…’ - A Dictionary of Political Thought by Roger Scruton


Gee, that sounds so much like Dr. Paul the true conservative.[/quote]

Gee, that sounds so much like the record of Mittens, the true conservative. lol…I’ll take Dr. Paul’s record, HANDS DOWN, over Mittens record any day.

So, tell me again how the above explains away the liberal record of Romney. Tell me again how Romney isn’t a flip flopper on the scale of John Kerry. Tell me again how the GOP isn’t pushing Romney as their new wonder boy, completely retooled as a conservative! And just in time for the election too! How convenient!! What a win for conservatism!! LOL

What does Romney believe? Whatever you believe…

Just remember not to gag as you swallow the load, it’s a big one.
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I was talking about Ron Paul and conservatism. I never mentioned Romney. What I will say is that Romney is a lot closer to conservatism than Obama.[/quote]

Was that opinion formed on his record? If so, then I’m afraid you’ve been duped, my friend. Romney truly is a liberal’s liberal republican. A snake oil salesman with perfect hair, telling everybody just what they want to hear, just to make the sale.


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I find it absurd that so many celebrity “conservatives” and “pro-family” and “pro-life” Christians continue to promote Romney as a Reagan Conservative when Romneyâ??s actual record shows that he is an across the board liberal. Barack Obama in a Reagan Costume.

Mitt Romney, Fiscal and Social Liberal:

  • Unilaterally, illegally & unconstitutionally instituted same-sex “marriage” falsely claiming the “court ordered him to.” Proof here and here

  • Signed the forerunner to Obamacare (Romneycare) into law which includes $50 tax-subsidized elective surgical abortions including late-term abortions into law (3 years AFTER his fake “pro-life conversion.”) Proof here

  • Boosted funding for homosexual “education” starting in kindergarten. Proof here

  • Opposes a ban on homosexual scoutmasters. Proof here

  • Promised the homosexual Republican “Log Cabin Republicans” he wouldnâ??t oppose “gay marriage” in return for their endorsement. Proof here

  • Instituted a quasi-socialist healthcare plan endorsed by Hillary Clinton, Teddy Kennedy and Planned Parenthood that destroyed the Massachusetts’ economy. Proof here and here.

  • Forced Catholic Charities, the nation’s #1 adoption and foster care service to place children with same sex couples even though he was under no legal obligation to do so as even former Governor Michael Dukakis has acknowledged.

  • Increased taxes and fees by close to a billion dollars which destroyed the Massachusetts’ economy and opposed the Bush Tax Cuts. Proof here

  • Voted # 8 RINO by Human Events. Proof here.

  • Passed over Republican lawyers for three quarters of the 36 judicial vacancies he faced and nominated 2 open homosexuals. Proof here

  • Criticized Joint Chief’s of Staff, Peter Pace for saying that homosexual acts were “immoral.” Proof here

  • Supports passage at the state level of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act which would force churches and other religious organizations to hire homosexuals and transvestites or face criminal fines and prosecution. Proof here

  • Romney supported McCain-Feingold “campaign finance reform”, McCain-Kennedy “comprehensive immigration reform” (i.e. amnesty), and parts of the McCain-Lieberman “carbon cap and trade” bill and opposed the Bush Tax Cuts. Proof here