[quote]ZEB wrote:
But Paul Ryan hit it out of the park as he touched on most of the major issues as to why Obama does not deserve a second term.
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Agree.
Also, him chocking up a little talking about seeing the heartbeat on the monitor of his daughter… That touched hearts even for pro-choice people. [/quote]
He had many good points that being one of them. What Ryan lacks is something called stage presence and of course experience. But over all he did just fine. No game changer from my perspective.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Something was said by Biden tonight that is going to start coming under examination tomorrow. He threw the intelligence community under the bus. The administration is going to have to show that intelligence was leaning towards the protest conclusion, for what, 6 days? [/quote]
That is a good point Sloth. Perhaps Romney can capitalize on that in the next debate.
The security request bit could also be problematic. The hearings made it clear that requests for security were made multiple times. Is he throwing the State Dept. under the bus, too?
Biden flat out LIED about religious orgs not being forced to provide coverage for contraception. Hence, the Obama administration pushed back compliance for these organizations to 2013.
When you look at the Polls, the first Presidential Debate actually changed peoples minds.
I just don’t think that this one did.
Most likely for DEMS…it was a “whew” debate. I say this because if Biden turned in the same lackluster performance as the President…it was “Game Over…”.
For the GOP…it ALSO was a “whew” moment, in that I don’t think that Ryan’s performance hurt the Romney momentum.
“Killer Joe” certainly did more smirking and smiling than was helpful…but that’s Biden.
"By the way, they talk about this great recession like it fell out of the sky--like, "Oh my goodness, where did it come from" Biden said. "It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card, at the same time, put a prescription drug plan on the credit card, a trillion dollar tax cut for the very wealthy."
"I was there, I voted against them," Biden continued. "I said, no, we can't afford that."
Then Sen. Biden voted for the Afghanistan resolution on Sept. 14, 2001 which authorized ?the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.?
And on Oct. 11, 2002, Biden voted for a resolution authorizing unilateral military action in Iraq, according to the Washington Post.
I’ll have to watch it tomorrow. It’s got to be online somewhere. I did check in for a couple minutes and God, I too wanted to punch Biden in the mouth. All that snickering…
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
I did check in for a couple minutes and God, I too wanted to punch Biden in the mouth. All that snickering…[/quote]
Do you lean right otherwise?
I only ask because I’m curious how that played with people. I feel he went to far with it, but I’m so biased this year it is hard to tell what is what. when you’re a hammer, everything is a nail.
Of course. Biden is likely a compulsive liar - e.g. his blatant plagiarism and bizarre lies about his law school record which he must’ve known would be exposed. He lies impulsively and was in a shouting match with a reporter asking him if they wanted to compare each others’ I.Q. He really exhibits some sort of personality disorder or possibly even brain injury/disease. I’m not the first to suggest it either:
If something were to happen to Obama and this guy became President I seriously believe that the U.S. would be in the hands of borderline retarded lunatic and in serious trouble.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Wait, wait, how did I miss this?
"By the way, they talk about this great recession like it fell out of the sky--like, "Oh my goodness, where did it come from" Biden said. "It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card, at the same time, put a prescription drug plan on the credit card, a trillion dollar tax cut for the very wealthy."
"I was there, I voted against them," Biden continued. "I said, no, we can't afford that."
Then Sen. Biden voted for the Afghanistan resolution on Sept. 14, 2001 which authorized ?the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.?
And on Oct. 11, 2002, Biden voted for a resolution authorizing unilateral military action in Iraq, according to the Washington Post.
Did he really make this claim? I’ll check a replay or transcript tomorrow, as I’m headed to bed. Think I’m getting a touch of the flu.[/quote]
Mark Thiessen, Washington Post: - “Of course, Biden’s opposition to the bin Laden operation is not surprising. The fact is Biden has a near-perfect record of being wrong about almost every major foreign policy question that the United States has faced in the past three decades. He supported the nuclear freeze in the 1980s, opposed ballistic missile defense and warned of a new arms race if the United States withdrew from theAnti-Ballistic Missile Treaty (we did, and no arms race ensued). He opposed aiding the Nicaraguan democratic resistance that helped roll back communism in our hemisphere [and] the Reagan defense buildup that bankrupted the Soviet Union”
We have to remember, what matters most is the appeal to the independent voters and the undecided. Obama’s base will cheer Biden’s ability to keep Ryan on the defensive, but they are already committed. I think Biden’s snarkyness and condescending facial expressions might turn off a lot of those undecided people, especially women. As Bean’s mentioned, likability factor down.
I would have liked to see Ryan handle the abortion issue a bit differently. He didn’t need to equivocate, but the strongly pro-life voters have nowhere else to go anyway. He could have made it more clear that their priority is not to go after Roe V. Wade. We’ve got bigger fish to fry.
And Biden’s big veneered teeth just look creepy. And this election would be a lot more fun if I was in a swing state.
Ryan disappointed me personally and Biden was… well… Biden. The bottom line is this is in the long run a non event which will likely hurt or help neither camp. It WAS a squandered opportunity to at least sightly build on the momentum of the first debate. If I let it it could really depress me that the ignorant convictionless brain dead middle will decide another election.
