Voddie Baucham Why I Choose to Believe the Bible Part 5

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
The Holy Ghost was such a kidder right?

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No, women are not to be in the priesthood and women are to wear veils to Mass or Divine Liturgy.[/quote]

Being generous, we can defend the Bible and say it (suppressing women) was the culture at the time. Or, we can develop the view (similar to some Muslims) that women are so cherished, the suppression is for their own protection.

But to hold to this view in this day and age is very sad indeed. Might as well be the Taliban.

Honestly, some of the best spiritual teachings I’ve ever received have been from women.[/quote]

Well, following “being generous” and, that the bible is the inerrant word of God (because if it is not, everything crumbles), then we can conclude that God was necessarily oppressing women. Amiwrong?[/quote]

I really don’t know what to think about it. It confuses me. What about all the shit Paul starts to talk about…don’t eat this and that…unclean this, unclean that…WTF? …sounds like the Diet section on T-Nation.

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Kneed- I’m not saying my answers are right, I’m just saying you should try thinking about what other answer could there be to this other than “it’s a prophecy” “it’s a miracle”.

Here’s an unrelated example to help you understand what I’m saying:

There are paintings in Mesopotamian digs of a man laying on what looks like and operating table (a neat slab of some sort), with waves just above his body, and two people standing near by who look like they’re working on him. In the book I was reading, the author was putting forth the idea that aliens came down to earth, created humans, and gave them tips about how to do scientific procedures and medicine. His interpretation of that picture was that the guy was receiving some sort of radiation treatment.

My natural conclusion when looking at the photo of the wall painting was that he was being baked as a ritual or had a fever.

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[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
The Holy Ghost was such a kidder right?

[/quote]

No, women are not to be in the priesthood and women are to wear veils to Mass or Divine Liturgy.[/quote]

Being generous, we can defend the Bible and say it (suppressing women) was the culture at the time. Or, we can develop the view (similar to some Muslims) that women are so cherished, the suppression is for their own protection.

But to hold to this view in this day and age is very sad indeed. Might as well be the Taliban.

Honestly, some of the best spiritual teachings I’ve ever received have been from women.[/quote]

Well, following “being generous” and, that the bible is the inerrant word of God (because if it is not, everything crumbles), then we can conclude that God was necessarily oppressing women. Amiwrong?[/quote]

I really don’t know what to think about it. It confuses me. What about all the shit Paul starts to talk about…don’t eat this and that…unclean this, unclean that…WTF? …sounds like the Diet section on T-Nation. [/quote]

There were some actual reasons why you shouldn’t mix things due to lack of hand sanitizers, fridges, and whatnot :slight_smile: I’m pretty sure most cultures have similar rules for that whole bacteria problem.

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Olee - What is your point? I know with my whole heart and soul that God exists. Forget all the experiences I have had [subjective] and look at the world around you. After a billion years of evolution, would we see all the world as it is today? Would you honestly be willing to change? I would, IF you could show me to be wrong. And I mean about ANYTHING!

[quote]Oleena wrote:
Kneed- I’m not saying my answers are right, I’m just saying you should try thinking about what other answer could there be to this other than “it’s a prophecy” “it’s a miracle”.

Here’s an unrelated example to help you understand what I’m saying:

There are paintings in Mesopotamian digs of a man laying on what looks like and operating table (a neat slab of some sort), with waves just above his body, and two people standing near by who look like they’re working on him. In the book I was reading, the author was putting forth the idea that aliens came down to earth, created humans, and gave them tips about how to do scientific procedures and medicine. His interpretation of that picture was that the guy was receiving some sort of radiation treatment.

My natural conclusion when looking at the photo of the wall painting was that he was being baked as a ritual or had a fever. [/quote]

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What? What do you mean by “After a billion years of evolution, would be see all the world as it is today?” and how is that related to me being willing to change.

My point is, you started this thread claiming that your religious decision wasn’t faith based, but the truth with evidence. You listed reasons. I replied that you may be misinterpreting some of your reason and that other religions hold as much proof, so why don’t you believe them. You refused to even address this and acted confused as to what I could be implying.

Would you be willing to start meditating following Buddhist practices considering that it has been proven to help you develop brain waves that are associated with feelings of love and peace?

"All the Buddhist ‘adepts’ – experienced meditators – who lent their brains to science had practiced meditation for at least 10,000 hours. One by one, they made their way to the basement lab of Richard Davidson at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. He and his colleagues wired them up like latter-day Medusas, a tangle of wires snaking from their scalps to the lectroencephalograph that would record their brain waves.

Eight Buddhist adepts and 10 volunteers who had had a crash course in meditation engaged in the form of meditation called nonreferential compassion. In this state, the meditator focuses on unlimited compassion and loving kindness toward all living beings.

As the volunteers began meditating, one kind of brain wave grew exceptionally strong: gamma waves. These, scientists believe, are a signature of neuronal activity that knits together far-flung circuits – consciousness, in a sense. Gamma waves appear when the brain brings together different features of an object, such as look, feel, sound and other attributes that lead the brain to its aha moment of, yup, that’s an armadillo.

Some of the novices ‘showed a slight but significant increase in the gamma signal,’ Prof. Davidson explained to the Dalai Lama. But at the moment the monks switched on compassion meditation, the gamma signal began rising and kept rising. On its own, that is hardly astounding: Everything the mind does has a physical correlate, so the gamma waves (much more intense than in the novice meditators) might just have been the mark of compassion meditation.

Except for one thing. In between meditations, the gamma signal in the monks never died down. Even when they were not meditating, their brains were different from the novices’ brains, marked by waves associated with perception, problem solving and consciousness. Moreover, the more hours of meditation training a monk had had, the stronger and more enduring the gamma signal.
"

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Olee - What is your point? I know with my whole heart and soul that God exists. Forget all the experiences I have had [subjective] and look at the world around you. After a billion years of evolution, would we see all the world as it is today? Would you honestly be willing to change? I would, IF you could show me to be wrong. And I mean about ANYTHING!

[quote]Oleena wrote:
Kneed- I’m not saying my answers are right, I’m just saying you should try thinking about what other answer could there be to this other than “it’s a prophecy” “it’s a miracle”.

Here’s an unrelated example to help you understand what I’m saying:

There are paintings in Mesopotamian digs of a man laying on what looks like and operating table (a neat slab of some sort), with waves just above his body, and two people standing near by who look like they’re working on him. In the book I was reading, the author was putting forth the idea that aliens came down to earth, created humans, and gave them tips about how to do scientific procedures and medicine. His interpretation of that picture was that the guy was receiving some sort of radiation treatment.

My natural conclusion when looking at the photo of the wall painting was that he was being baked as a ritual or had a fever. [/quote]
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[quote]Oleena wrote:<<< other religions hold as much proof, >>>[/quote]She’s right dude. If autonomous human logic is held supreme? She is absolutely correct. Go ahead and continue arguing “evidence” with unbelievers in their arena of independent reason and logic. Nothing and everything ends up just as certain, likely and or impossible as anything else. Try it with a competent pagan logician.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:<<< other religions hold as much proof, >>>[/quote]She’s right dude. If autonomous human logic is held supreme? She is absolutely correct. Go ahead and continue arguing “evidence” with unbelievers in their arena of independent reason and logic. Nothing and everything ends up just as certain, likely and or impossible as anything else. Try it with a competent pagan logician.
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You’re not so small minded that you don’t understand that followers of other faiths will argue on the same grounds as you, are you?

Because it’s pretty amusing (I’m being fully sincere) to watch you and others argue about whose faith is the truth. The alleged “truth” you each hold is about as clear as fucking mud. If it were not so muddy, we’d all believe the same thing.

So no, I don’t believe you’re preaching the word of God. You’re preaching the very autonomous logic of man that you so fervently repudiate - except you can’t see the hand of man. And that sir, is fucking precious and ironical.

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FYI I try to meditate as often as possible. Life often gets in the way [this board] and your quote did nothing to falter my stance. I believe in G-d and meditate in regards to him. I should be surprised I agree with His teachings?

In regards to my ‘confusing post’, there are a word or two missing. Totally my bad. I will try again.

After a billion years of evolution, would WE see all OF the world as it is today?

[quote]Oleena wrote:
What? What do you mean by “After a billion years of evolution, would be see all the world as it is today?” and how is that related to me being willing to change.

My point is, you started this thread claiming that your religious decision wasn’t faith based, but the truth with evidence. You listed reasons. I replied that you may be misinterpreting some of your reason and that other religions hold as much proof, so why don’t you believe them. You refused to even address this and acted confused as to what I could be implying.

Would you be willing to start meditating following Buddhist practices considering that it has been proven to help you develop brain waves that are associated with feelings of love and peace?

"All the Buddhist ‘adepts’ – experienced meditators – who lent their brains to science had practiced meditation for at least 10,000 hours. One by one, they made their way to the basement lab of Richard Davidson at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. He and his colleagues wired them up like latter-day Medusas, a tangle of wires snaking from their scalps to the lectroencephalograph that would record their brain waves.

Eight Buddhist adepts and 10 volunteers who had had a crash course in meditation engaged in the form of meditation called nonreferential compassion. In this state, the meditator focuses on unlimited compassion and loving kindness toward all living beings.

As the volunteers began meditating, one kind of brain wave grew exceptionally strong: gamma waves. These, scientists believe, are a signature of neuronal activity that knits together far-flung circuits – consciousness, in a sense. Gamma waves appear when the brain brings together different features of an object, such as look, feel, sound and other attributes that lead the brain to its aha moment of, yup, that’s an armadillo.

Some of the novices ‘showed a slight but significant increase in the gamma signal,’ Prof. Davidson explained to the Dalai Lama. But at the moment the monks switched on compassion meditation, the gamma signal began rising and kept rising. On its own, that is hardly astounding: Everything the mind does has a physical correlate, so the gamma waves (much more intense than in the novice meditators) might just have been the mark of compassion meditation.

Except for one thing. In between meditations, the gamma signal in the monks never died down. Even when they were not meditating, their brains were different from the novices’ brains, marked by waves associated with perception, problem solving and consciousness. Moreover, the more hours of meditation training a monk had had, the stronger and more enduring the gamma signal.
"

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Olee - What is your point? I know with my whole heart and soul that God exists. Forget all the experiences I have had [subjective] and look at the world around you. After a billion years of evolution, would we see all the world as it is today? Would you honestly be willing to change? I would, IF you could show me to be wrong. And I mean about ANYTHING!

[quote]Oleena wrote:
Kneed- I’m not saying my answers are right, I’m just saying you should try thinking about what other answer could there be to this other than “it’s a prophecy” “it’s a miracle”.

Here’s an unrelated example to help you understand what I’m saying:

There are paintings in Mesopotamian digs of a man laying on what looks like and operating table (a neat slab of some sort), with waves just above his body, and two people standing near by who look like they’re working on him. In the book I was reading, the author was putting forth the idea that aliens came down to earth, created humans, and gave them tips about how to do scientific procedures and medicine. His interpretation of that picture was that the guy was receiving some sort of radiation treatment.

My natural conclusion when looking at the photo of the wall painting was that he was being baked as a ritual or had a fever. [/quote]
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By meditating do you mean prayer or do you mean meditation as a Buddhist monk would tell you to do it (and yes, you could meditate as a Buddhist monk does with the concepts of universal love and care laid out by Jesus in your mind but that’s not close to the same thing as prayer.)

First of all, what do you mean by “the world as we see it today”? Do you mean earth, the galaxy, the universe, humanity? What are you getting at. And to all of those, my answer is I don’t know but probably not.

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
FYI I try to meditate as often as possible. Life often gets in the way [this board] and your quote did nothing to falter my stance. I believe in G-d and meditate in regards to him. I should be surprised I agree with His teachings?

In regards to my ‘confusing post’, there are a word or two missing. Totally my bad. I will try again.

After a billion years of evolution, would WE see all OF the world as it is today?

[quote]Oleena wrote:
What? What do you mean by “After a billion years of evolution, would be see all the world as it is today?” and how is that related to me being willing to change.

My point is, you started this thread claiming that your religious decision wasn’t faith based, but the truth with evidence. You listed reasons. I replied that you may be misinterpreting some of your reason and that other religions hold as much proof, so why don’t you believe them. You refused to even address this and acted confused as to what I could be implying.

Would you be willing to start meditating following Buddhist practices considering that it has been proven to help you develop brain waves that are associated with feelings of love and peace?

"All the Buddhist ‘adepts’ – experienced meditators – who lent their brains to science had practiced meditation for at least 10,000 hours. One by one, they made their way to the basement lab of Richard Davidson at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. He and his colleagues wired them up like latter-day Medusas, a tangle of wires snaking from their scalps to the lectroencephalograph that would record their brain waves.

Eight Buddhist adepts and 10 volunteers who had had a crash course in meditation engaged in the form of meditation called nonreferential compassion. In this state, the meditator focuses on unlimited compassion and loving kindness toward all living beings.

As the volunteers began meditating, one kind of brain wave grew exceptionally strong: gamma waves. These, scientists believe, are a signature of neuronal activity that knits together far-flung circuits – consciousness, in a sense. Gamma waves appear when the brain brings together different features of an object, such as look, feel, sound and other attributes that lead the brain to its aha moment of, yup, that’s an armadillo.

Some of the novices ‘showed a slight but significant increase in the gamma signal,’ Prof. Davidson explained to the Dalai Lama. But at the moment the monks switched on compassion meditation, the gamma signal began rising and kept rising. On its own, that is hardly astounding: Everything the mind does has a physical correlate, so the gamma waves (much more intense than in the novice meditators) might just have been the mark of compassion meditation.

Except for one thing. In between meditations, the gamma signal in the monks never died down. Even when they were not meditating, their brains were different from the novices’ brains, marked by waves associated with perception, problem solving and consciousness. Moreover, the more hours of meditation training a monk had had, the stronger and more enduring the gamma signal.
"

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Olee - What is your point? I know with my whole heart and soul that God exists. Forget all the experiences I have had [subjective] and look at the world around you. After a billion years of evolution, would we see all the world as it is today? Would you honestly be willing to change? I would, IF you could show me to be wrong. And I mean about ANYTHING!

[quote]Oleena wrote:
Kneed- I’m not saying my answers are right, I’m just saying you should try thinking about what other answer could there be to this other than “it’s a prophecy” “it’s a miracle”.

Here’s an unrelated example to help you understand what I’m saying:

There are paintings in Mesopotamian digs of a man laying on what looks like and operating table (a neat slab of some sort), with waves just above his body, and two people standing near by who look like they’re working on him. In the book I was reading, the author was putting forth the idea that aliens came down to earth, created humans, and gave them tips about how to do scientific procedures and medicine. His interpretation of that picture was that the guy was receiving some sort of radiation treatment.

My natural conclusion when looking at the photo of the wall painting was that he was being baked as a ritual or had a fever. [/quote]
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Kneed- You might be interested to know that I both pray and meditate. I personally think prayer works. I can’t pretend to argue about it though, or get mad that someone else doesn’t believe me, or think thoughts about how much better their life would be if they did, because I don’t really KNOW that it works. I just think that and I also think that when black cats cross my path something bad is going to happen.

I will consider all evidence that you throw up (and have looked at links and videos that you’ve posted and even learned a bit about the proliferation of Christianity), but I don’t feel that you’re considering what I’m presenting in return (actually clicking on links, reading things, etc).

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I DO pray as a Catholic and say a rosary everyday as I walk to school. I also try to peacefully say to myself the following. Actually this is almost exactly what I try to do.

The world is infinitely complex and has immense details, even more complex in our own bodies. The best part, after seeing and experiencing the highs and lows I know there is a God. However subjective that might be to you shrug

[quote]Oleena wrote:
By meditating do you mean prayer or do you mean meditation as a Buddhist monk would tell you to do it (and yes, you could meditate as a Buddhist monk does with the concepts of universal love and care laid out by Jesus in your mind but that’s not close to the same thing as prayer.)

First of all, what do you mean by “the world as we see it today”? Do you mean earth, the galaxy, the universe, humanity? What are you getting at. And to all of those, my answer is I don’t know but probably not.

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
FYI I try to meditate as often as possible. Life often gets in the way [this board] and your quote did nothing to falter my stance. I believe in G-d and meditate in regards to him. I should be surprised I agree with His teachings?

In regards to my ‘confusing post’, there are a word or two missing. Totally my bad. I will try again.

After a billion years of evolution, would WE see all OF the world as it is today?

[quote]Oleena wrote:
What? What do you mean by “After a billion years of evolution, would be see all the world as it is today?” and how is that related to me being willing to change.

My point is, you started this thread claiming that your religious decision wasn’t faith based, but the truth with evidence. You listed reasons. I replied that you may be misinterpreting some of your reason and that other religions hold as much proof, so why don’t you believe them. You refused to even address this and acted confused as to what I could be implying.

Would you be willing to start meditating following Buddhist practices considering that it has been proven to help you develop brain waves that are associated with feelings of love and peace?

"All the Buddhist ‘adepts’ – experienced meditators – who lent their brains to science had practiced meditation for at least 10,000 hours. One by one, they made their way to the basement lab of Richard Davidson at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. He and his colleagues wired them up like latter-day Medusas, a tangle of wires snaking from their scalps to the lectroencephalograph that would record their brain waves.

Eight Buddhist adepts and 10 volunteers who had had a crash course in meditation engaged in the form of meditation called nonreferential compassion. In this state, the meditator focuses on unlimited compassion and loving kindness toward all living beings.

As the volunteers began meditating, one kind of brain wave grew exceptionally strong: gamma waves. These, scientists believe, are a signature of neuronal activity that knits together far-flung circuits – consciousness, in a sense. Gamma waves appear when the brain brings together different features of an object, such as look, feel, sound and other attributes that lead the brain to its aha moment of, yup, that’s an armadillo.

Some of the novices ‘showed a slight but significant increase in the gamma signal,’ Prof. Davidson explained to the Dalai Lama. But at the moment the monks switched on compassion meditation, the gamma signal began rising and kept rising. On its own, that is hardly astounding: Everything the mind does has a physical correlate, so the gamma waves (much more intense than in the novice meditators) might just have been the mark of compassion meditation.

Except for one thing. In between meditations, the gamma signal in the monks never died down. Even when they were not meditating, their brains were different from the novices’ brains, marked by waves associated with perception, problem solving and consciousness. Moreover, the more hours of meditation training a monk had had, the stronger and more enduring the gamma signal.
"

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Olee - What is your point? I know with my whole heart and soul that God exists. Forget all the experiences I have had [subjective] and look at the world around you. After a billion years of evolution, would we see all the world as it is today? Would you honestly be willing to change? I would, IF you could show me to be wrong. And I mean about ANYTHING!

[quote]Oleena wrote:
Kneed- I’m not saying my answers are right, I’m just saying you should try thinking about what other answer could there be to this other than “it’s a prophecy” “it’s a miracle”.

Here’s an unrelated example to help you understand what I’m saying:

There are paintings in Mesopotamian digs of a man laying on what looks like and operating table (a neat slab of some sort), with waves just above his body, and two people standing near by who look like they’re working on him. In the book I was reading, the author was putting forth the idea that aliens came down to earth, created humans, and gave them tips about how to do scientific procedures and medicine. His interpretation of that picture was that the guy was receiving some sort of radiation treatment.

My natural conclusion when looking at the photo of the wall painting was that he was being baked as a ritual or had a fever. [/quote]
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You are allowed to think what ever you like or even not think. You don’t believe every link you provide do you, or vice versa?

[quote]Oleena wrote:
Kneed- You might be interested to know that I both pray and meditate. I personally think prayer works. I can’t pretend to argue about it though, or get mad that someone else doesn’t believe me, or think thoughts about how much better their life would be if they did, because I don’t really KNOW that it works. I just think that and I also think that when black cats cross my path something bad is going to happen.

I will consider all evidence that you throw up (and have looked at links and videos that you’ve posted and even learned a bit about the proliferation of Christianity), but I don’t feel that you’re considering what I’m presenting in return (actually clicking on links, reading things, etc).[/quote]

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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
You are allowed to think what ever you like or even not think. You don’t believe every link you provide do you, or vice versa?

[quote]Oleena wrote:
Kneed- You might be interested to know that I both pray and meditate. I personally think prayer works. I can’t pretend to argue about it though, or get mad that someone else doesn’t believe me, or think thoughts about how much better their life would be if they did, because I don’t really KNOW that it works. I just think that and I also think that when black cats cross my path something bad is going to happen.

I will consider all evidence that you throw up (and have looked at links and videos that you’ve posted and even learned a bit about the proliferation of Christianity), but I don’t feel that you’re considering what I’m presenting in return (actually clicking on links, reading things, etc).[/quote]
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I’m not implying that you read them and discarded them because you didn’t believe them, I’m saying I’m not sure if you checked out my links or not.

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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I DO pray as a Catholic and say a rosary everyday as I walk to school. I also try to peacefully say to myself the following. Actually this is almost exactly what I try to do.

The world is infinitely complex and has immense details, even more complex in our own bodies. The best part, after seeing and experiencing the highs and lows I know there is a God. However subjective that might be to you shrug
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I have no argument with this whatsoever.

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How often has this happened in your life? LOL Sorry I had to ; )

In addition, I believe we all pray our own ways. Now that is just me.

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I DO pray as a Catholic and say a rosary everyday as I walk to school. I also try to peacefully say to myself the following. Actually this is almost exactly what I try to do.

The world is infinitely complex and has immense details, even more complex in our own bodies. The best part, after seeing and experiencing the highs and lows I know there is a God. However subjective that might be to you shrug
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I have no argument with this whatsoever.

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I can NOT say I check out every single link anyone provides especially in SAMA but if interested my mouse will click on it = ]

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
You are allowed to think what ever you like or even not think. You don’t believe every link you provide do you, or vice versa?

[quote]Oleena wrote:
Kneed- You might be interested to know that I both pray and meditate. I personally think prayer works. I can’t pretend to argue about it though, or get mad that someone else doesn’t believe me, or think thoughts about how much better their life would be if they did, because I don’t really KNOW that it works. I just think that and I also think that when black cats cross my path something bad is going to happen.

I will consider all evidence that you throw up (and have looked at links and videos that you’ve posted and even learned a bit about the proliferation of Christianity), but I don’t feel that you’re considering what I’m presenting in return (actually clicking on links, reading things, etc).[/quote]
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I’m not implying that you read them and discarded them because you didn’t believe them, I’m saying I’m not sure if you checked out my links or not. [/quote]

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[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
The Holy Ghost was such a kidder right?

[/quote]

No, women are not to be in the priesthood and women are to wear veils to Mass or Divine Liturgy.[/quote]

Being generous, we can defend the Bible and say it (suppressing women) was the culture at the time. Or, we can develop the view (similar to some Muslims) that women are so cherished, the suppression is for their own protection.

But to hold to this view in this day and age is very sad indeed. Might as well be the Taliban.

Honestly, some of the best spiritual teachings I’ve ever received have been from women.[/quote]

I’m sure, I read the Doctors of the Church (they are the people who’s writing is of the highest caliber) which have women in their ranks. However, they still are not to be in the priesthood and are supposed to wear veils. Paul told the Corinthians to forget their modern sensibilities, they will only lead them away from the Lord. As well, a woman cannot be in persona Christi, it would be impossible even if we did try and ordain a woman. It would just be invalid.

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[quote]Oleena wrote:
You do realize that’s not the trilemma most people are thinking about when they hear the word, right?

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
Brother Chris- How does the trilemma [/quote]

No, it’s just something I vaguely came to a conclusion about and I was talking to my dear friend about it, and she asked me if I had read C.S. Lewis (I had no clue who he was at the time) and I said no, and she told me that it was an author she read all the time as a kid before she became an atheist.

Jesus could have been three things as I see it (I had a few others because I wasn’t entirely sure if I had processed everything correctly): lunatic, liar, or lord. You have those three options, based on the historical account. I choose the third option. I could be wrong, but I can’t see it.

And, if he was lord than his Traditions would be valid. I don’t much care if someone doesn’t believe Jesus is lord, I wish they would, but they have free will and reason for a reason. And, as long as they follow Natural Law, I’m not much to interfere with other people’s business when it comes to religion as I respect people’s freedom of conscience. They can figure it out if they want to, I’ll stand here patiently if anyone wants me to instruct them.[/quote]
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What is the Trilemma you were thinking about?

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[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
The Holy Ghost was such a kidder right?

[/quote]

No, women are not to be in the priesthood and women are to wear veils to Mass or Divine Liturgy.[/quote]

Being generous, we can defend the Bible and say it (suppressing women) was the culture at the time. Or, we can develop the view (similar to some Muslims) that women are so cherished, the suppression is for their own protection.

But to hold to this view in this day and age is very sad indeed. Might as well be the Taliban.

Honestly, some of the best spiritual teachings I’ve ever received have been from women.[/quote]

I remember reading a Taoist text that told the story of a husband who set his mind to reaching enlightenment and struggled with it for decades. He couldn’t even do the most basic things at the end of all that time. He then realized that while he was trying to force this weird state on himself, the subservience he forced his wife into had created an atmosphere where she had naturally mastered the ability of not trying to control events and simply observing. It turned out that the disservice her position in life granted her allowed her easier access to things he may never reach. The story goes that he found out she was a master.[/quote]

A wife is the master of her husbands body, and women do have higher dignity than men.

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[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
So if women are made in man’s image, and men are made in god’s image, who are those born with both sexes made in the image of? What about those without sex and hermaphrodites? Where do they come from?

God has roles for men and women but he doesnt mention those with both sexes and no sex in the bible. How should those people act? Why didnt god mention them?[/quote]

All men (this includes women) are made in the image G-d, this includes ALL people. Even cloned people, or whatever. As a Vatican scientist said, ‘if they have arms and legs I’ll be first to baptize them (referring to aliens).’[/quote]

Crazy.[/quote]

They don’t call us a monkey house for nothing.