Video Games Make You Less Manly?

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I see your point and agree with you. If you like boxing you should at least try it. I like MMA. So I spent a year doing BJJ, boxing, and wrestling lesson. It was fun, but in total cost over a $1000 dollars. Not everyone has that kind of money to try something out.

The same goes with shooting guns or whatever. These things cost money and have to be available and they just aren’t for everyone.

I personally would rather try something in real life before I tried something on a game, but the reality is it is easier and more cost effective to play a boxing game than to join a boxing gym. The time commitment is also an issue. Maybe your only free time is from 9pm-11pm so your only option is games. I don’t know of many martial arts that instruct that late. My point is priorities come first and video games fit the extra time for relaxing better than joining a football league or what have you.

I agree though people should try things in real life if they can over games, but not everyone agrees with you or I in that regard. [/quote]

I don’t mean to offend, but these things are all simply excuses - the same excuses that people who want to “get huge” but don’t want to put in the work give us, and we lambaste them for.

Boxing is my hobby one might say. People hear that, and kinda nod their head go “Damn, alright.” It’s a cool thing. Just like how some of the bigger guys get comments about lifting all the time from dudes who are envious or whatever. It’s a thing YOU did, an accomplishment,if you will, that you put in time and earned the right to call yourself a boxer or a bodybuilder cause you been on that grind.

It’s not the same if you say, “Well I play Fight Night a lot.”

I agree shit costs money and it ain’t easy, but that’s life. I go fishing only a few times a year, but there’s no way any video game can come close to being on the Atlantic at 6 a.m. trolling for shark or tuna.

It’s worth me saving that money to DO IT.

What it comes down to is that all those years ago, people lived because there was no other choice. Now they have a choice, and many people are not living… their just pretending too.

And keep in mind, I like video games. I used to play them all time, like any other guy I played Madden with my buddies or whatever… but it really consumed a lot of time and I didn’t like that.

[/quote]

I agree with Irish. If anyone is actually playing games as a substitute for real life experience, they have issues.

I can do tons of shit in video games that I can’t do in real life…but turning that into “well, I can’t find a boxing gym so I’ll just play boxing games” is crazy.

I ride a motorcycle. I would never have bought a game instead of my first bike with an excuse of “well, motorcycles are so expensive…and this game is only 40 bucks!”[/quote]

I don’t disagree with anyone’s line of thinking, however, the only way I can fly WWII aircraft (or spaceships) is video games (and I guess I’d have to add “kill” “people”).

Now, where did I put that rocket launcher?
[/quote]

Dude, I’ve swung around New York on a spider’s web and kicked ass.

I’ve yanked people out their cars, shot them, ran over them in their own cars, and then drove off in their car.

I’ve explored ancient Egyptian monuments and been attacked by demons.

I’ve killed GODS, one eyed ogres, and thrown myself into hell.

I’ve had world wide fighting contests with super human martial artists…and won.

You can’t touch me, bitch.

I am Kratos.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Edgy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’m really having a hard time understanding the hate for video games. They are no different then any other time waster. If you work or study all day long what’s wrong with kicking back and playin a video game?

I will never get to fly an F18, play in the NFL, or anything else, but it’s pretty fun to live out that fantasy in a game.

Every generation has some technology that they waste time with. I barely watch TV, but my parents generation loves the shit out of it. How many people use to go the the theater every chance they got before that. This old fuck Williams probably sat in front of a damn radio and listened to it every time his “dad” put it on. Is reading for pure enjoyment any different? I don’t think so.

As long as you are productive in life (that’s the key) then who cares if you waste a couple hours a day playing a game? If it’s how you relax and it makes your life more enjoyable what’s the problem? [/quote]

the instant gratification of blowing someones head off, or scoring a touchdown.
the constant over stimulation that one would not get anywhere else.
the inability to interact within social circles due to constant interaction with machines.
the fact that within hours they are able to achieve something in a game where in the real world, it takes years to achieve.

for a start.
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I’m not seeing you point really.

How is winning or scoring a kill in a game any more gratifying then any other activity that you attempt? Some kids would never see any playing time in any sport so they just don’t get to try it because games aren’t real?

Why are video games more stimulating than anything else?

Society has changed. We interact with machines all day long. Why should how we relax be any different? Also I “interact” with people online that I cannot interact with otherwise because we live states and even countries apart (and I;m referring to people I actually know not randoms).

What can you possibly achieve in a game that would take years to otherwise accomplish? Become an NCAA superstar, unlikely. Rush Normandy, impossible. I really doubt most kids hit the bench press in Duke Nukem and thought, “damn I must be ripped now! Look at my pecs man!”
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What are your thoughts on Big Game Hunter?

Even fat kids who don’t make the cut can pull a trigger.[/quote]

True, but it’s pretty expensive to go on a big game hunt. Plus I thought big fat kids were big game? [/quote]

I can’t shoot them!!!

Besides, all you really need are a license (costs less than a video game)

A gun (can be borrowed or purchased used for a video game console)

And public hunting land (plentiful in most states)

Of course a private ranch or lease is better but animals live on public land too.

And bullets cost like ten bucks for a box, less than a second remote.

And you can actually shoot an animal. And spend quality time with friends. And get plastered by a bonfire and shock yourself with the stupidity alcohol, guns, fire and a video camera during a black out drunk fest can lead to.

And wonder why you are still alive.

Way better than a game.
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And use blanks and pretend to shoot each other.

All get naked and circle jerk…wait not that.[/quote]
You can’t tell me the fear of having been shot isn’t more thrilling than some robot getting blown up by a bazooka ray 205 and some shit.

How alive do you think that guy felt after he knew he wasn’t shot? Probably very even if he was ungreatful.

I’ve never done the circle jerk thing, not that I remember. But trains… lets just say college was a mixture of drugs, booze and porn style sex for me with a few tests thrown in.

way more fun than the halo playing classmates who began to look like sun allergic zombies.[/quote]

:slight_smile: How you like me now, I got a tan. [/quote]

If Bill Gates can catch a football and/or bag a girl without her knowing of his money I will castrate myself on video.

[/quote]

Dude has money he can hire a football team to catch the ball.

He has woman delivered to his house if he wanted to and he doesnt have to say a word. Like a boss.

Nerdyest looking MF of all time but could buy your whole existence.

The topic was manliness and the loss with video games.

Question is who decides what is manly and what that term really means.
[/quote]You edited the rest of my post and then agreed with it.

I dig your style :slight_smile:

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I see your point and agree with you. If you like boxing you should at least try it. I like MMA. So I spent a year doing BJJ, boxing, and wrestling lesson. It was fun, but in total cost over a $1000 dollars. Not everyone has that kind of money to try something out.

The same goes with shooting guns or whatever. These things cost money and have to be available and they just aren’t for everyone.

I personally would rather try something in real life before I tried something on a game, but the reality is it is easier and more cost effective to play a boxing game than to join a boxing gym. The time commitment is also an issue. Maybe your only free time is from 9pm-11pm so your only option is games. I don’t know of many martial arts that instruct that late. My point is priorities come first and video games fit the extra time for relaxing better than joining a football league or what have you.

I agree though people should try things in real life if they can over games, but not everyone agrees with you or I in that regard. [/quote]

I don’t mean to offend, but these things are all simply excuses - the same excuses that people who want to “get huge” but don’t want to put in the work give us, and we lambaste them for.

Boxing is my hobby one might say. People hear that, and kinda nod their head go “Damn, alright.” It’s a cool thing. Just like how some of the bigger guys get comments about lifting all the time from dudes who are envious or whatever. It’s a thing YOU did, an accomplishment,if you will, that you put in time and earned the right to call yourself a boxer or a bodybuilder cause you been on that grind.

It’s not the same if you say, “Well I play Fight Night a lot.”

I agree shit costs money and it ain’t easy, but that’s life. I go fishing only a few times a year, but there’s no way any video game can come close to being on the Atlantic at 6 a.m. trolling for shark or tuna.

It’s worth me saving that money to DO IT.

What it comes down to is that all those years ago, people lived because there was no other choice. Now they have a choice, and many people are not living… their just pretending too.

And keep in mind, I like video games. I used to play them all time, like any other guy I played Madden with my buddies or whatever… but it really consumed a lot of time and I didn’t like that.

[/quote]

I agree with Irish. If anyone is actually playing games as a substitute for real life experience, they have issues.

I can do tons of shit in video games that I can’t do in real life…but turning that into “well, I can’t find a boxing gym so I’ll just play boxing games” is crazy.

I ride a motorcycle. I would never have bought a game instead of my first bike with an excuse of “well, motorcycles are so expensive…and this game is only 40 bucks!”[/quote]

I don’t disagree with anyone’s line of thinking, however, the only way I can fly WWII aircraft (or spaceships) is video games (and I guess I’d have to add “kill” “people”).

Now, where did I put that rocket launcher?
[/quote]

Dude, I’ve swung around New York on a spider’s web and kicked ass.

I’ve yanked people out their cars, shot them, ran over them in their own cars, and then drove off in their car.

I’ve explored ancient Egyptian monuments and been attacked by demons.

I’ve killed GODS, one eyed ogres, and thrown myself into hell.

I’ve had world wide fighting contests with super human martial artists…and won.

You can’t touch me, bitch.

I am Kratos.[/quote]

Hopefully not the Kratos Sony had in the new PS3 add. Dude was looking kinda weird.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I see your point and agree with you. If you like boxing you should at least try it. I like MMA. So I spent a year doing BJJ, boxing, and wrestling lesson. It was fun, but in total cost over a $1000 dollars. Not everyone has that kind of money to try something out.

The same goes with shooting guns or whatever. These things cost money and have to be available and they just aren’t for everyone.

I personally would rather try something in real life before I tried something on a game, but the reality is it is easier and more cost effective to play a boxing game than to join a boxing gym. The time commitment is also an issue. Maybe your only free time is from 9pm-11pm so your only option is games. I don’t know of many martial arts that instruct that late. My point is priorities come first and video games fit the extra time for relaxing better than joining a football league or what have you.

I agree though people should try things in real life if they can over games, but not everyone agrees with you or I in that regard. [/quote]

I don’t mean to offend, but these things are all simply excuses - the same excuses that people who want to “get huge” but don’t want to put in the work give us, and we lambaste them for.

Boxing is my hobby one might say. People hear that, and kinda nod their head go “Damn, alright.” It’s a cool thing. Just like how some of the bigger guys get comments about lifting all the time from dudes who are envious or whatever. It’s a thing YOU did, an accomplishment,if you will, that you put in time and earned the right to call yourself a boxer or a bodybuilder cause you been on that grind.

It’s not the same if you say, “Well I play Fight Night a lot.”

I agree shit costs money and it ain’t easy, but that’s life. I go fishing only a few times a year, but there’s no way any video game can come close to being on the Atlantic at 6 a.m. trolling for shark or tuna.

It’s worth me saving that money to DO IT.

What it comes down to is that all those years ago, people lived because there was no other choice. Now they have a choice, and many people are not living… their just pretending too.

And keep in mind, I like video games. I used to play them all time, like any other guy I played Madden with my buddies or whatever… but it really consumed a lot of time and I didn’t like that.

[/quote]

I agree with Irish. If anyone is actually playing games as a substitute for real life experience, they have issues.

I can do tons of shit in video games that I can’t do in real life…but turning that into “well, I can’t find a boxing gym so I’ll just play boxing games” is crazy.

I ride a motorcycle. I would never have bought a game instead of my first bike with an excuse of “well, motorcycles are so expensive…and this game is only 40 bucks!”[/quote]

I don’t disagree with anyone’s line of thinking, however, the only way I can fly WWII aircraft (or spaceships) is video games (and I guess I’d have to add “kill” “people”).

Now, where did I put that rocket launcher?
[/quote]

Dude, I’ve swung around New York on a spider’s web and kicked ass.

I’ve yanked people out their cars, shot them, ran over them in their own cars, and then drove off in their car.

I’ve explored ancient Egyptian monuments and been attacked by demons.

I’ve killed GODS, one eyed ogres, and thrown myself into hell.

I’ve had world wide fighting contests with super human martial artists…and won.

You can’t touch me, bitch.

I am Kratos.[/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I see your point and agree with you. If you like boxing you should at least try it. I like MMA. So I spent a year doing BJJ, boxing, and wrestling lesson. It was fun, but in total cost over a $1000 dollars. Not everyone has that kind of money to try something out.

The same goes with shooting guns or whatever. These things cost money and have to be available and they just aren’t for everyone.

I personally would rather try something in real life before I tried something on a game, but the reality is it is easier and more cost effective to play a boxing game than to join a boxing gym. The time commitment is also an issue. Maybe your only free time is from 9pm-11pm so your only option is games. I don’t know of many martial arts that instruct that late. My point is priorities come first and video games fit the extra time for relaxing better than joining a football league or what have you.

I agree though people should try things in real life if they can over games, but not everyone agrees with you or I in that regard. [/quote]

I don’t mean to offend, but these things are all simply excuses - the same excuses that people who want to “get huge” but don’t want to put in the work give us, and we lambaste them for.

Boxing is my hobby one might say. People hear that, and kinda nod their head go “Damn, alright.” It’s a cool thing. Just like how some of the bigger guys get comments about lifting all the time from dudes who are envious or whatever. It’s a thing YOU did, an accomplishment,if you will, that you put in time and earned the right to call yourself a boxer or a bodybuilder cause you been on that grind.

It’s not the same if you say, “Well I play Fight Night a lot.”

I agree shit costs money and it ain’t easy, but that’s life. I go fishing only a few times a year, but there’s no way any video game can come close to being on the Atlantic at 6 a.m. trolling for shark or tuna.

It’s worth me saving that money to DO IT.

What it comes down to is that all those years ago, people lived because there was no other choice. Now they have a choice, and many people are not living… their just pretending too.

And keep in mind, I like video games. I used to play them all time, like any other guy I played Madden with my buddies or whatever… but it really consumed a lot of time and I didn’t like that.

[/quote]

I agree with Irish. If anyone is actually playing games as a substitute for real life experience, they have issues.

I can do tons of shit in video games that I can’t do in real life…but turning that into “well, I can’t find a boxing gym so I’ll just play boxing games” is crazy.

I ride a motorcycle. I would never have bought a game instead of my first bike with an excuse of “well, motorcycles are so expensive…and this game is only 40 bucks!”[/quote]

I don’t disagree with anyone’s line of thinking, however, the only way I can fly WWII aircraft (or spaceships) is video games (and I guess I’d have to add “kill” “people”).

Now, where did I put that rocket launcher?
[/quote]

Dude, I’ve swung around New York on a spider’s web and kicked ass.

I’ve yanked people out their cars, shot them, ran over them in their own cars, and then drove off in their car.

I’ve explored ancient Egyptian monuments and been attacked by demons.

I’ve killed GODS, one eyed ogres, and thrown myself into hell.

I’ve had world wide fighting contests with super human martial artists…and won.

You can’t touch me, bitch.

I am Kratos.[/quote]
Except you’ve actually never done any of those things.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Dude, I’ve swung around New York on a spider’s web and kicked ass.

I’ve yanked people out their cars, shot them, ran over them in their own cars, and then drove off in their car.

I’ve explored ancient Egyptian monuments and been attacked by demons.

I’ve killed GODS, one eyed ogres, and thrown myself into hell.

I’ve had world wide fighting contests with super human martial artists…and won.

You can’t touch me, bitch.

I am Kratos.[/quote]

Hilarious~

PX pwnd this thread~

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I see your point and agree with you. If you like boxing you should at least try it. I like MMA. So I spent a year doing BJJ, boxing, and wrestling lesson. It was fun, but in total cost over a $1000 dollars. Not everyone has that kind of money to try something out.

The same goes with shooting guns or whatever. These things cost money and have to be available and they just aren’t for everyone.

I personally would rather try something in real life before I tried something on a game, but the reality is it is easier and more cost effective to play a boxing game than to join a boxing gym. The time commitment is also an issue. Maybe your only free time is from 9pm-11pm so your only option is games. I don’t know of many martial arts that instruct that late. My point is priorities come first and video games fit the extra time for relaxing better than joining a football league or what have you.

I agree though people should try things in real life if they can over games, but not everyone agrees with you or I in that regard. [/quote]

I don’t mean to offend, but these things are all simply excuses - the same excuses that people who want to “get huge” but don’t want to put in the work give us, and we lambaste them for.

Boxing is my hobby one might say. People hear that, and kinda nod their head go “Damn, alright.” It’s a cool thing. Just like how some of the bigger guys get comments about lifting all the time from dudes who are envious or whatever. It’s a thing YOU did, an accomplishment,if you will, that you put in time and earned the right to call yourself a boxer or a bodybuilder cause you been on that grind.

It’s not the same if you say, “Well I play Fight Night a lot.”

I agree shit costs money and it ain’t easy, but that’s life. I go fishing only a few times a year, but there’s no way any video game can come close to being on the Atlantic at 6 a.m. trolling for shark or tuna.

It’s worth me saving that money to DO IT.

What it comes down to is that all those years ago, people lived because there was no other choice. Now they have a choice, and many people are not living… their just pretending too.

And keep in mind, I like video games. I used to play them all time, like any other guy I played Madden with my buddies or whatever… but it really consumed a lot of time and I didn’t like that.

[/quote]

I agree with Irish. If anyone is actually playing games as a substitute for real life experience, they have issues.

I can do tons of shit in video games that I can’t do in real life…but turning that into “well, I can’t find a boxing gym so I’ll just play boxing games” is crazy.

I ride a motorcycle. I would never have bought a game instead of my first bike with an excuse of “well, motorcycles are so expensive…and this game is only 40 bucks!”[/quote]

I don’t disagree with anyone’s line of thinking, however, the only way I can fly WWII aircraft (or spaceships) is video games (and I guess I’d have to add “kill” “people”).

Now, where did I put that rocket launcher?
[/quote]

Dude, I’ve swung around New York on a spider’s web and kicked ass.

I’ve yanked people out their cars, shot them, ran over them in their own cars, and then drove off in their car.

I’ve explored ancient Egyptian monuments and been attacked by demons.

I’ve killed GODS, one eyed ogres, and thrown myself into hell.

I’ve had world wide fighting contests with super human martial artists…and won.

You can’t touch me, bitch.

I am Kratos.[/quote]
Except you’ve actually never done any of those things.[/quote]

Wait a sec…are you sure?

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[quote]Edgy wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Dude, I’ve swung around New York on a spider’s web and kicked ass.

I’ve yanked people out their cars, shot them, ran over them in their own cars, and then drove off in their car.

I’ve explored ancient Egyptian monuments and been attacked by demons.

I’ve killed GODS, one eyed ogres, and thrown myself into hell.

I’ve had world wide fighting contests with super human martial artists…and won.

You can’t touch me, bitch.

I am Kratos.[/quote]

Hilarious~

PX pwnd this thread~
[/quote]

But playing video games has made him unmanly, doesnt he look like that thing the marine posted in pink?

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Edgy wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Dude, I’ve swung around New York on a spider’s web and kicked ass.

I’ve yanked people out their cars, shot them, ran over them in their own cars, and then drove off in their car.

I’ve explored ancient Egyptian monuments and been attacked by demons.

I’ve killed GODS, one eyed ogres, and thrown myself into hell.

I’ve had world wide fighting contests with super human martial artists…and won.

You can’t touch me, bitch.

I am Kratos.[/quote]

Hilarious~

PX pwnd this thread~
[/quote]

But playing video games has made him unmanly, doesnt he look like that thing the marine posted in pink?[/quote]
Capitalize “Marine” damnit!! Friggin old people…

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[quote]inkaddict wrote:

Capitalize “Marine” damnit!! Friggin old people…[/quote]

please note that my posts DID capitalize Marine - at least that proves that I love America~

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Edgy wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Dude, I’ve swung around New York on a spider’s web and kicked ass.

I’ve yanked people out their cars, shot them, ran over them in their own cars, and then drove off in their car.

I’ve explored ancient Egyptian monuments and been attacked by demons.

I’ve killed GODS, one eyed ogres, and thrown myself into hell.

I’ve had world wide fighting contests with super human martial artists…and won.

You can’t touch me, bitch.

I am Kratos.[/quote]

Hilarious~

PX pwnd this thread~
[/quote]

But playing video games has made him unmanly, doesnt he look like that thing the Marine posted in pink?[/quote]

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[quote]Edgy wrote:

[quote]inkaddict wrote:

Capitalize “Marine” damnit!! Friggin old people…[/quote]

please note that my posts DID capitalize Marine - at least that proves that I love America~[/quote]

I will say that the fact I spilled coffee on my key board and the letter m and n have to be struck like a retard on a drum set to actually work messed with my typing.

I hope my mistake will be forgiven by our men in uniform.

Thak you and carry o

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I will personally never let you live down this “MARINE incident of 2011”.

The God of War has spoken

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So do any of you all have an example in your life that you’d consider the embodiment of manliness?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I will personally never let you live down this “MARINE incident of 2011”.

The God of War has spoken[/quote]

Take this token and forgive me.

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

So do any of you all have an example in your life that you’d consider the embodiment of manliness?[/quote]

Well I do have 5 kids.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

So do any of you all have an example in your life that you’d consider the embodiment of manliness?[/quote]

Well I do have 5 kids. [/quote]

Jesus, wrap that shit up!

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Then, i am a pussy.

diablo II is my life.

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

So do any of you all have an example in your life that you’d consider the embodiment of manliness?[/quote]

My uncle.

He rides a motorcycle. Is damn near 60 but still gets around and acts like he is about 20 years younger. He’s strong, works hard and doesn’t quit. He also knows how to control himself instead of letting his emotions get away with him. Most people wouldn’t step to him even now because his presence is just huge.

These are all traits that I personally associate with masculinity…not just being a good person, but also having that air of strength that people just know not to fuck with that guy…and proving that right through actions.

I expect character AND physical strength in someone I would consider masculine…and no, I am not referring to strength in a woman where she can shine in more caring or nurturing ways.

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

So do any of you all have an example in your life that you’d consider the embodiment of manliness?[/quote]

*DUNHAM, JASON L.

Rank and Organization: Corporal, United States Marine Corps
For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty while serving as Rifle Squad Leader, 4th Platoon, Company K, Third Battalion, Seventh Marines (Reinforced), Regimental Combat Team 7, First Marine Division (Reinforced), on 14 April 2004. Corporal Dunham’s squad was conducting a reconnaissance mission in the town of Karabilah, Iraq, when they heard rocket-propelled grenade and small arms fire erupt approximately two kilometers to the west. Corporal Dunham led his Combined Anti-Armor Team towards the engagement to provide fire support to their Battalion Commander’s convoy, which had been ambushed as it was traveling to Camp Husaybah. As Corporal Dunham and his Marines advanced, they quickly began to receive enemy fire. Corporal Dunham ordered his squad to dismount their vehicles and led one of his fire teams on foot several blocks south of the ambushed convoy. Discovering seven Iraqi vehicles in a column attempting to depart, Corporal Dunham and his team stopped the vehicles to search them for weapons. As they approached the vehicles, an insurgent leaped out and attacked Corporal Dunham. Corporal Dunham wrestled the insurgent to the ground and in the ensuing struggle saw the insurgent release a grenade. Corporal Dunham immediately alerted his fellow Marines to the threat. Aware of the imminent danger and without hesitation, Corporal Dunham covered the grenade with his helmet and body, bearing the brunt of the explosion and shielding his Marines from the blast. In an ultimate and selfless act of bravery in which he was mortally wounded, he saved the lives of at least two fellow Marines. By his undaunted courage, intrepid fighting spirit, and unwavering devotion to duty, Corporal Dunham gallantly gave his life for his country, thereby reflecting great credit upon himself and upholding the highest traditions of the Marine Corps and the United States Naval Service.

I never met him, but I think this about sums up manliness for me.