Victoria, BC Police Brutality

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[quote]ladieslove wrote:

[quote]Billy Whizz wrote:

[quote]ladieslove wrote:
i really dislike videos like this. bad quality, doesn’t show how things started. really, just by watching this one video, we can’t judge anyone in it. we can’t judge anyone period. so lets not. [/quote]

Yes we can and we should,. This is the kind of evidence that decides cases. It’s a faily good quality video that covers the incident in a clear perspective. It’s not relevant what the guys being subdued have done before. It’s not relevant how they have behaved towards the police. What’s relevant is that the police, the professionals we train to NOT go over the top in a situation like this, are exerting an amount of force that’s potentially deadly in a situation that in no way warranted it.

The cases, where high-resoulution video, covering the whole spectrum of an event, from the first small spark of action tjhat started it, until the last moment, are few and far between. Therefore, one must rely on evidence like this. [/quote]

i kindly disagree with you. i don’t judge people. and no, it’s not lonely up here on my pedestal lol.

i don’t know the whole story, so i won’t judge.
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Kicking a defenseless man in the ribs is wrong. It doesn’t really matter what happened before that. The police aren’t entitled to punish and that is what they were doing. The guys may or may not have deserved it, but it wasn’t the right of the officers to inflict such punishment.

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[quote]ladieslove wrote:

[quote]Billy Whizz wrote:

[quote]ladieslove wrote:
i really dislike videos like this. bad quality, doesn’t show how things started. really, just by watching this one video, we can’t judge anyone in it. we can’t judge anyone period. so lets not. [/quote]

Yes we can and we should,. This is the kind of evidence that decides cases. It’s a faily good quality video that covers the incident in a clear perspective. It’s not relevant what the guys being subdued have done before. It’s not relevant how they have behaved towards the police. What’s relevant is that the police, the professionals we train to NOT go over the top in a situation like this, are exerting an amount of force that’s potentially deadly in a situation that in no way warranted it.

The cases, where high-resoulution video, covering the whole spectrum of an event, from the first small spark of action tjhat started it, until the last moment, are few and far between. Therefore, one must rely on evidence like this. [/quote]

i kindly disagree with you. i don’t judge people. and no, it’s not lonely up here on my pedestal lol.

i don’t know the whole story, so i won’t judge.
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Bullshit you don’t judge people … I’ve seen your posts in Squat rack curls … plus your post in the Sickabs, how low would you go thread … you’re one judgmental motherfucker

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lol shhhhhh polo damn

listen, i’ll tell everyone this and you can all ream me out accordingly.

i give the cops the benefit of the doubt in situations where i don’t know the story.

everyone loves to hate the cops. its extremely mature.

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[quote]ladieslove wrote:
lol shhhhhh polo damn

listen, i’ll tell everyone this and you can all ream me out accordingly.

i give the cops the benefit of the doubt in situations where i don’t know the story.

everyone loves to hate the cops. its extremely mature.

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I’m willing to bet that this belief is based on life experience. Other’s life experience removes the benefit of the doubt. In fact, due to the nature of the position, police should be held to a higher, not lower, standard of conduct.

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[quote]ladieslove wrote:
lol shhhhhh polo damn

listen, i’ll tell everyone this and you can all ream me out accordingly.

i give the cops the benefit of the doubt in situations where i don’t know the story.

everyone loves to hate the cops. its extremely mature.

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lol, much better post, you said what you believe and offered to leave it at that (I don’t judge people pshhh … like anyone believed that anyway) :wink:

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[quote]ladieslove wrote:

i give the cops the benefit of the doubt in situations where i don’t know the story.

everyone loves to hate the cops. its extremely mature.

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Are you talking about the 1st video posted? If so, what doubt are you talking about? The 2nd guy got kicked in the ribs while he was down and was under control and NOT a threat. Where’s the doubt here?

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]bond james bond wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]bond james bond wrote:
If that was my son laying there in the doorway unconscious because he was at the wrong place at the wrong time, swing for the fences officer. [/quote]

Unfortunately, some of the guys the officers were beating could have also been your son who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. It’s why their are courts, to sort this stuff out. [/quote]

I was thinking the same thing when I read Bond’s post.[/quote]

This is the senario I was imagining. My boy is walking home with his girlfriend after going to the show. On the way to the bustop these assholes are starting shit with everyone they encounter. For no reason they start to pound out my boy and leave him there on the street unconcious. Mr. Officer, swing away.

Are you saying that maybe my son could have been walking along and the cops mistaken him for one of these assclowns and start to lay a beat down on him? If thats what you guys meant then I agree with you %100. It could happen and I’m sure it does happen.

Regarding the UWO situation. It’s still under ivestigation. I know this because someone I know and trust has a brother on the London police force who is also pretty high up the food chain. Scuttlebutt is that no punishment is going to be handed down…no big surprise.

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Agree on all points. Highly unlikely these cops will face any discipline.

Frankly, a lot of people here seem to think that a couple of kicks are a big deal. They aren’t. Not compared to someone getting knocked unconsious. Officers are capable of doing MUCH worse if they have some sort of vendetta. The pain that guy felt was maybe 1/10 of what being pepper sprayed feels like - let alone being shot or having your face smashed in with a baton.[/quote]

You have absolutely no idea what the guy felt. Are you volunteering to get on all fours and let me kick you in the ribs, since it’s not a big deal? It’s obvious you’ve never had broken ribs. Not to mention a kick like that could kill someone. You are an idiot. Please take your bullshit “not a big deal” to get punted in the ribs to some place more appropriate like bbing.com.

I’ll take the pepper spray to months of agony recovering a fractured rib.[/quote]

Reading comprehension fail. Please reread the part that says “Not compared to someone getting knocked unconsious.”

No I am not volunteering. I would do as the police asked.

Once again, the cops behaved AS THEY SHOULD. What they did was not serious and was certainly not life threatening.

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess you’ve never been pepper sprayed.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]bond james bond wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]bond james bond wrote:
If that was my son laying there in the doorway unconscious because he was at the wrong place at the wrong time, swing for the fences officer. [/quote]

Unfortunately, some of the guys the officers were beating could have also been your son who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. It’s why their are courts, to sort this stuff out. [/quote]

I was thinking the same thing when I read Bond’s post.[/quote]

This is the senario I was imagining. My boy is walking home with his girlfriend after going to the show. On the way to the bustop these assholes are starting shit with everyone they encounter. For no reason they start to pound out my boy and leave him there on the street unconcious. Mr. Officer, swing away.

Are you saying that maybe my son could have been walking along and the cops mistaken him for one of these assclowns and start to lay a beat down on him? If thats what you guys meant then I agree with you %100. It could happen and I’m sure it does happen.

Regarding the UWO situation. It’s still under ivestigation. I know this because someone I know and trust has a brother on the London police force who is also pretty high up the food chain. Scuttlebutt is that no punishment is going to be handed down…no big surprise.

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Agree on all points. Highly unlikely these cops will face any discipline.

Frankly, a lot of people here seem to think that a couple of kicks are a big deal. They aren’t. Not compared to someone getting knocked unconsious. Officers are capable of doing MUCH worse if they have some sort of vendetta. The pain that guy felt was maybe 1/10 of what being pepper sprayed feels like - let alone being shot or having your face smashed in with a baton.[/quote]

You have absolutely no idea what the guy felt. Are you volunteering to get on all fours and let me kick you in the ribs, since it’s not a big deal? It’s obvious you’ve never had broken ribs. Not to mention a kick like that could kill someone. You are an idiot. Please take your bullshit “not a big deal” to get punted in the ribs to some place more appropriate like bbing.com.

I’ll take the pepper spray to months of agony recovering a fractured rib.[/quote]

Reading comprehension fail. Please reread the part that says “Not compared to someone getting knocked unconsious.”

No I am not volunteering. I would do as the police asked.

Once again, the cops behaved AS THEY SHOULD. What they did was not serious and was certainly not life threatening.

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess you’ve never been pepper sprayed.[/quote]

Actually, a fractured rib is entirely life threatening. ESPECIALLY if there are repeated blows.
You can very easily die from a kick like that. You might want to surf over to webmd and look up punctured lung.

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I’ve been bear sprayed from 3 feet away, right into my face.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]ladieslove wrote:

i give the cops the benefit of the doubt in situations where i don’t know the story.

everyone loves to hate the cops. its extremely mature.

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Are you talking about the 1st video posted? If so, what doubt are you talking about? The 2nd guy got kicked in the ribs while he was down and was under control and NOT a threat. Where’s the doubt here?[/quote]

dude i didn’t get a good look. i gave my opinion. i’m not looking to prove anything one way or the other. frankly i need to stop checking this thread cuz its starting to irritate me. everyone cover your ribs i’m starting to kick.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

Frankly, a lot of people here seem to think that a couple of kicks are a big deal. They aren’t. Not compared to someone getting knocked unconsious. Officers are capable of doing MUCH worse if they have some sort of vendetta. The pain that guy felt was maybe 1/10 of what being pepper sprayed feels like - let alone being shot or having your face smashed in with a baton.[/quote]

A kick in the ribs by a guy wearing boots is no big deal? Especially when they’re exposed on all fours like the 2nd kid. Are you nuts? I can easily break someones ribs like this.

So since they’re capable of worse, that makes a kick in the ribs no big deal? How about a punch to the face? Night stick to the head? I mean, hey. They’re capable of worse? [/quote]

Your logic makes no sense and you’ve done a great job at twisting my words. Once again:
Frankly, a lot of people here seem to think that a couple of kicks are a big deal. They aren’t. Not compared to someone getting knocked unconsious.

My point was simply that if they wanted to hurt the guy, they could have done far worse damage. The cops were simply following what they have been trained to do.

Did they punch him in the face? No.
Did they hit him in the head with a baton? No.

Once again: they acted within their legal rights. You may not like this, but it is reality.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]bond james bond wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]bond james bond wrote:
If that was my son laying there in the doorway unconscious because he was at the wrong place at the wrong time, swing for the fences officer. [/quote]

Unfortunately, some of the guys the officers were beating could have also been your son who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. It’s why their are courts, to sort this stuff out. [/quote]

I was thinking the same thing when I read Bond’s post.[/quote]

This is the senario I was imagining. My boy is walking home with his girlfriend after going to the show. On the way to the bustop these assholes are starting shit with everyone they encounter. For no reason they start to pound out my boy and leave him there on the street unconcious. Mr. Officer, swing away.

Are you saying that maybe my son could have been walking along and the cops mistaken him for one of these assclowns and start to lay a beat down on him? If thats what you guys meant then I agree with you %100. It could happen and I’m sure it does happen.

Regarding the UWO situation. It’s still under ivestigation. I know this because someone I know and trust has a brother on the London police force who is also pretty high up the food chain. Scuttlebutt is that no punishment is going to be handed down…no big surprise.

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Agree on all points. Highly unlikely these cops will face any discipline.

Frankly, a lot of people here seem to think that a couple of kicks are a big deal. They aren’t. Not compared to someone getting knocked unconsious. Officers are capable of doing MUCH worse if they have some sort of vendetta. The pain that guy felt was maybe 1/10 of what being pepper sprayed feels like - let alone being shot or having your face smashed in with a baton.[/quote]

You have absolutely no idea what the guy felt. Are you volunteering to get on all fours and let me kick you in the ribs, since it’s not a big deal? It’s obvious you’ve never had broken ribs. Not to mention a kick like that could kill someone. You are an idiot. Please take your bullshit “not a big deal” to get punted in the ribs to some place more appropriate like bbing.com.

I’ll take the pepper spray to months of agony recovering a fractured rib.[/quote]

Reading comprehension fail. Please reread the part that says “Not compared to someone getting knocked unconsious.”

No I am not volunteering. I would do as the police asked.

Once again, the cops behaved AS THEY SHOULD. What they did was not serious and was certainly not life threatening.

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess you’ve never been pepper sprayed.[/quote]

Actually, a fractured rib is entirely life threatening. ESPECIALLY if there are repeated blows.
You can very easily die from a kick like that. You might want to surf over to webmd and look up punctured lung.[/quote]

So is a splinter. The odds that this guy would get a fractured rib are very slim. The odds that he would die from it are incredibally slim. I’d bet at least 100 guys got worse beatings in bar fights accross the country that night. You don’t see them on the news. Guys take worse hits on the football field every week.

Compare that with getting knocked unconcious which as I understand it is what these guys had done to someone. That maybe, just maybe, might be a little bit more serious than a shot to the ribs. Cops aren’t going to mess around with that kind of threat. What if buddy is carrying a concealed weapon? What if his friends are waiting in the crowd for a chance to jump in?

Once again: reality isn’t fair. Cops can and should be concerned with their safety first. This guy doesn’t comply immediately, and therefore the cops have every right to use the force they did. That is the law (at least in Canada). This isn’t UFC. On the street you neutralize any potential threat, and you do it quickly. “Fair” gets officers killed.

Stop being so naive.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

Your logic makes no sense and you’ve done a great job at twisting my words. Once again:
Frankly, a lot of people here seem to think that a couple of kicks are a big deal. They aren’t. Not compared to someone getting knocked unconsious.

My point was simply that if they wanted to hurt the guy, they could have done far worse damage. The cops were simply following what they have been trained to do.

Did they punch him in the face? No.
Did they hit him in the head with a baton? No.

Once again: they acted within their legal rights. You may not like this, but it is reality.
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I quoted your words EXACTLY as they were written.

You said the guy getting kicked in the ribs is no big deal. If you don’t understand the damage that can be caused by a kick to the ribs, then there’s no point in arguing.

You said they could’ve done worst damage if they wanted. If that excuses their actions, then there’s a ton of more vile shit that would satisfy that same excuse.

They didn’t punch him or hit him with a baton. But according to your logic, if they did and he was still conscious then it’s not a problem. I guess if said action doesn’t leave the person unconscious, it’s fair play by your logic.

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[quote]ladieslove wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]ladieslove wrote:

i give the cops the benefit of the doubt in situations where i don’t know the story.

everyone loves to hate the cops. its extremely mature.

[/quote]

Are you talking about the 1st video posted? If so, what doubt are you talking about? The 2nd guy got kicked in the ribs while he was down and was under control and NOT a threat. Where’s the doubt here?[/quote]

dude i didn’t get a good look. i gave my opinion. i’m not looking to prove anything one way or the other. frankly i need to stop checking this thread cuz its starting to irritate me. everyone cover your ribs i’m starting to kick. [/quote]

You posted you opinion on a public forum about a controversial topic and you’re irritated when people debate or discuss it with you? Relax, its not that big of deal.

I don’t need to cover my ribs, I got a nice layer of blubber to do that job for me lol.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

Once again: reality isn’t fair. Cops can and should be concerned with their safety first. This guy doesn’t comply immediately, and therefore the cops have every right to use the force they did. That is the law (at least in Canada). This isn’t UFC. On the street you neutralize any potential threat, and you do it quickly. “Fair” gets officers killed.

Stop being so naive.[/quote]

You’re all over the place…you posted some stuff about use of force levels…yet you can’t even comprehend them in relation to the incident video.

What IMMEDIATE threat does a person pose when they are complying and subdued(threat has already been neutralized) by two officers?

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]ladieslove wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]ladieslove wrote:

i give the cops the benefit of the doubt in situations where i don’t know the story.

everyone loves to hate the cops. its extremely mature.

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Are you talking about the 1st video posted? If so, what doubt are you talking about? The 2nd guy got kicked in the ribs while he was down and was under control and NOT a threat. Where’s the doubt here?[/quote]

dude i didn’t get a good look. i gave my opinion. i’m not looking to prove anything one way or the other. frankly i need to stop checking this thread cuz its starting to irritate me. everyone cover your ribs i’m starting to kick. [/quote]

You posted you opinion on a public forum about a controversial topic and you’re irritated when people debate or discuss it with you? Relax, its not that big of deal.

I don’t need to cover my ribs, I got a nice layer of blubber to do that job for me lol.
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i’m relaxed. you relax.

lol nothin like a nice layer of blubber to keep you cozy and safe.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Wow…OBoile. [/quote]

This thread is far more worthwhile for observing the insane reactions of “No big deal” than it is for what is contained in the video.

I know it’s passe to “go Nazi” in an argument but it bears repeating that THIS is kinda how the 1930s German people psyches must have been working. Several steps removed, I agree, but nonetheless the yellow-bricked road is apparently well trod.[/quote]

The notion of a yellow bricked road would require a progression of some sort. Things like this have been going on far to long for that. If it were the next step to nazism it would have already happened. I guess you could argue it has.

A government and it’s “servants” should be scared of the people, not the other way around.