oh well thats what happens when youre friends are shitbags!
A total of 7 witnessess against 1 Michael Vick. It is not looking good for the ‘home team’. A few of these guys have previous records so it would make sense for them to make a deal. The paid legal opinions on the evening news are suggesting Mike try and plea out himself, so that he could avoid the chance of a worse sentence if he goes to trial.
Goodell is flirting with the idea of a minimum, one year suspension…a minimum.
he should be banned from the NFL for life, locked away and when he is parolled he should be cleaning kennels at a dog pound for months. i hope he ends up poor and homeless.
of course i have two pitbulls and have owned several over the years, so my opinion is slightly bias. either way, fuck that punk bitch.
Run Senor Ron Mexico,
Usted es Fucked!
Muy Bueno!!!
According to the morning sports guy I heard today, If Vick doesn’t plea out and gets convicted in a trial, he will get three to five years!
I think dog fighting is despicable and I said so recently on the Pitbull thread, but, 3-5 years for dog fighting??? Three months and probation sounds more fitting to me.
And, why the hell can’t he play football while this is going on? Kobe Bryant was playing Basket Ball while on trial for rape. Rape!
This is insane.
Personally I think Goodell might be at the center of both sides trying to get a plea going.
I called it on my July 18 post: plea bargain, the 2 game suspension seems somewhat lenient.
For someone signing for $130 million, one year off and some endorsement money may not like all that much, however MV is a very cheap bastard. I mean he signed for $130 million and only gave $10 thousand to the masacre victims fund at Virginia Tech his Alma mater.
If MV was sheduled to make $130 Mil over 10 years:
(That’s just salary, not including endorsements either)
10,000/130,000,000 = .0077%
and average Joe makes $50K per year for 10 years = $500,000
Would it break you to give a little more than $38 to your school in such tragic event? Best to look within before judging.
[quote]on edge wrote:
According to the morning sports guy I heard today, If Vick doesn’t plea out and gets convicted in a trial, he will get three to five years!
I think dog fighting is despicable and I said so recently on the Pitbull thread, but, 3-5 years for dog fighting??? Three months and probation sounds more fitting to me.
And, why the hell can’t he play football while this is going on? Kobe Bryant was playing Basket Ball while on trial for rape. Rape!
This is insane.[/quote]
three months and probation is what you get for crimes far less severe than forcing dozens of otherwise peacefull creatures by means of intense torture and suffering to attack eachother to the death for money and laughs. ESPECIALLY, when it is already widely known to be illegal and the people doing it are so rich they eat diamonds just to make their dookie sparkle.
the fact that that asshole feels he is above the law(which i dont understand given his past experience) especially to the point where he could cause the death of so many innocent creatures for “fun” makes me sick. i hope when he goes to prison some real dogs get a hold of his sorry ass, maybe we will get lucky and the prison can bury him on their property.
[quote]mazilla wrote:
he should be banned from the NFL for life, locked away and when he is parolled he should be cleaning kennels at a dog pound for months. i hope he ends up poor and homeless.
of course i have two pitbulls and have owned several over the years, so my opinion is slightly bias. either way, fuck that punk bitch. [/quote]
Hi Mazilla,
I am glad to see that there is somebody here who is just as honest and crazy as I am about where we are comming from with this!
The web has been on fire recently since this latest update.
These links are from sports illustrated alone!
fan�??s speak out!
Here is what SI’s donk banks has to say:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/08/14/vick/index.html
Whatever is looming as the next shoe to drop in this saga – be it a plea agreement from Vick, a league-issued suspension, or some other development – the scenario that grows a little closer to a certainty by the day is that Vick has played his last game of football for quite some time. Perhaps ever.
The Falcons, the NFL and the federal authorities seem to know it. It’s as if now we’re all waiting for Vick to come to the same realization, and begin facing whatever this next painful chapter hold�?�
Spending a day at the Falcons team complex last week, I was struck by how no one – either on or off the record – seemed the slightest bit hopeful Vick’s plight would somehow improve and he would return to the team in the near future. It wasn’t just talk designed to sound united on the matter of going forward with the 2007 season without Vick. It was as if the verdict was already in, but had to be left unspoken for now
This is what SI�??s Andrew perloff had to say.
�?��?�Vick can look into the camera and say, “I did it. I’m sorry. I didn’t know what I was doing. I had some bad ideas about right and wrong. I’ll never do it again.” Then Vick would have to follow up those claims with a few years of total commitment to community service. It sounds lame in light of how disgusting dogfighting is, but at least that would give Vick a shot at redemption.
I’d say there’s still a good chance Vick chooses to go to trial. He seems determined to try to get out of this. And he knows he could lose millions in bonus dollars if he admits to anything. If that’s the path Vick chooses, he could end up in jail anywhere from a year to five years. It’s very hard to imagine him ever getting back to the NFL in that case. And if returning to the field is what Vick wants more than anything, you’d think he’d strongly consider bargaining before the end of this week.
[quote]TKOWKD1 wrote:
I called it on my July 18 post: plea bargain, the 2 game suspension seems somewhat lenient.
For someone signing for $130 million, one year off and some endorsement money may not like all that much, however MV is a very cheap bastard. I mean he signed for $130 million and only gave $10 thousand to the masacre victims fund at Virginia Tech his Alma mater.
If MV was sheduled to make $130 Mil over 10 years:
(That’s just salary, not including endorsements either)
10,000/130,000,000 = .0077%
and average Joe makes $50K per year for 10 years = $500,000
Would it break you to give a little more than $38 to your school in such tragic event? Best to look within before judging.
[/quote]
Um, I fail to see how he owes ANYTHING, at all, to his school in regards to the VT massacre victims fund, much less “only” $10k.
Sure, he could have given more, but he could also have given a lot less. Just because he went to school there doesn’t mean he has to crack open his piggy bank to your satisfaction.
How much did you donate?
[quote]mazilla wrote:
on edge wrote:
According to the morning sports guy I heard today, If Vick doesn’t plea out and gets convicted in a trial, he will get three to five years!
I think dog fighting is despicable and I said so recently on the Pitbull thread, but, 3-5 years for dog fighting??? Three months and probation sounds more fitting to me.
And, why the hell can’t he play football while this is going on? Kobe Bryant was playing Basket Ball while on trial for rape. Rape!
This is insane.
three months and probation is what you get for crimes far less severe than forcing dozens of otherwise peacefull creatures by means of intense torture and suffering to attack eachother to the death for money and laughs. ESPECIALLY, when it is already widely known to be illegal and the people doing it are so rich they eat diamonds just to make their dookie sparkle.
the fact that that asshole feels he is above the law(which i dont understand given his past experience) especially to the point where he could cause the death of so many innocent creatures for “fun” makes me sick. i hope when he goes to prison some real dogs get a hold of his sorry ass, maybe we will get lucky and the prison can bury him on their property.
[/quote]
The crime may deserve more, but does he deserve to get the penalty that all the dog fighters are not getting? I mean seriuosly even convicted dog fighters rarely go to jail and if he wasn’t Poster boy doubt he would too.
[quote]conner wrote:
Um, I fail to see how he owes ANYTHING, at all, to his school in regards to the VT massacre victims fund, much less “only” $10k.
Sure, he could have given more, but he could also have given a lot less. Just because he went to school there doesn’t mean he has to crack open his piggy bank to your satisfaction.
How much did you donate?[/quote]
You raise a valid point, and I can honestly answer that I didn’t donate anything. I did not receive an athletic scholarship from Virginia Tech and was not coached and molded into a star athlete either. So forgive me for making charitable donations a little closer to home.
However, if I was accused of spending $40K on a dog fighting operation and ONLY $10K to Virginia Tech massacre victims, then I’d expect you and all of T-Nation to call me a DOUCHEBAG and a PARASITE.
HOLY TONY SOPRANO!!!
Turns out the “new” charges against Vick may involve the RICO statute:
What’s next? Can it get any worse for Vick?
Yes, it could get worse in a hurry. The federal prosecutors in Richmond are preparing a new set of charges, known in legal terms as a superseding indictment. The new charges could come any day. The new charges might include a racketeering allegation under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (known as RICO). RICO originally was designed as a weapon against organized-crime hoodlums but has been used frequently in other prosecutions. A charge under RICO would make Vick’s situation significantly worse. It would make the government’s case against him easier to prove, and it would increase the prison sentence Vick would face if convicted.
Lester Munson, a Chicago lawyer and journalist who has been reporting on investigative and legal issues in the sports industry for 18 years, is a senior writer for ESPN.com
Granted, this is only the authors opinion, but it is the first time I have ever read a RICO charge mentioned.
If Michael Vick was to put in a plea…
With two more co-defendants distancing themselves from Michael Vick, the embattled Falcons quarterback was considering whether to accept a plea agreement for his alleged role in a dogfighting operation. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported on its Web site that attorneys for Vick were in plea negotiations Tuesday afternoon with federal prosecutors. Collins R. Spencer III, a spokesman for Vick’s lawyers, declined to comment when reached by the newspaper. Sources told ESPN’s Kelly Naqi that Vick attorneys Larry Woodward and Billy Martin met with federal prosecutor Michael Gill and the investigators on Monday afternoon.
At that time, the attorneys planned to speak with the quarterback to see what direction he wants to go in. That comes on the heels of news that co-defendants Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips are scheduled to appear in federal court in Richmond at the end of the week and are expected to accept their own plea agreements. Peace’s hearing is at 9 a.m. (ET) on Thursday, while Phillips will appear on Friday at the same time. Plea agreements would clear them to testify against Vick.
Spencer said the lawyers were surprised by the plea deals. “They didn’t see it coming,” Spencer said. But Spencer said it wouldn’t affect the way Vick’s defense team proceeds with the case. In a Richmond, Va., court in late July, Vick pleaded not guilty to conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities, and conspiring to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture. He said in a written statement that he looked forward to “clearing my good name.”
He also pleaded with the public to resist a rush to judgment. Another of Vick’s co-defendants, 34-year-old Tony Taylor, pleaded guilty to the same charges and has pledged to fully cooperate with the government in its prosecution of Vick and the two others. The plea deal requires Taylor to testify against Vick and his two remaining co-defendants if called upon to do so. A source close to the investigation told Naqi that Vick has until Friday to make up his mind whether to accept a plea agreement. Otherwise a superseding indictment will be filed and Vick will face at least two more federal dogfighting charges.
Meanwhile, the NFL dismissed a report Sunday that said commissioner Roger Goodell was close to announcing a season-long suspension of Vick. Citing two sources within the league, Yahoo.com reported late Sunday night that Goodell will announce “this week or next” that Vick will be suspended for the 2007 season. “That’s the direction it’s going and has been from the time this started,” one of the sources said this week, according to Yahoo.
“The plan was to make sure it was announced before the season. Given what everybody has seen from what [league] security found and what the feds are telling us, there’s really no choice.” Eric Holder, a former deputy attorney general retained by the league, is still gathering facts on Vick’s alleged involvement in dogfighting, NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said Monday. “The commissioner has not made any decision,” Aiello said.
The gruesome details outlined in the July 17 indictment have fueled public protests against Vick and prompted the suspension of some of his lucrative endorsement deals. The summary of facts signed by Taylor supports the indictment’s claims that the dogfighting ring on Vick’s property in Surry County, Va., executed underperforming dogs by drowning, hanging and other brutal means. Taylor admitted shooting one dog and electrocuting another when they did not perform well in test fights in the summer of 2002.
Vick has been barred from Falcons training camp by Goodell while the league conducts its investigation. “While it is for the criminal justice system to determine your guilt or innocence, it is my responsibility as commissioner of the National Football League to determine whether your conduct, even if not criminal, nonetheless violated league policies, including the Personal Conduct Policy,” Goodell said in a letter to the quarterback on July 24.
Falcons coach Bobby Petrino said he has not spoken with his players about Vick’s troubles since camp opened. “I’m not ready to respond to anything regarding Michael because I know nothing new,” Petrino said. Falcons running back Warrick Dunn, Vick’s teammate since 2002, said he recently spoke with the 27-year-old quarterback to offer support. Dunn added, however, that the players have no choice but to move ahead and prepare for the Sept. 9 season opener at Minnesota.
“I don’t think anybody on this team right now is hoping that Mike comes back,” Dunn said. “If he comes back, that’s great, but I just think right now we’re at point where the guys that are here are trying to get better and move on down the road. Mike is going to be missed and has been missed, but at the same time you have to go on.” Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
[quote]mazilla wrote:
he should be banned from the NFL for life, locked away and when he is parolled he should be cleaning kennels at a dog pound for months. i hope he ends up poor and homeless.
of course i have two pitbulls and have owned several over the years, so my opinion is slightly bias. either way, fuck that punk bitch. [/quote]
Do you mean, “either way,” as in guilty or not?
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
The crime may deserve more, but does he deserve to get the penalty that all the dog fighters are not getting? I mean seriuosly even convicted dog fighters rarely go to jail and if he wasn’t Poster boy doubt he would too.[/quote]
YES! for one he is a supposed “role model” for the kids, he must be made an example so that little boys everywhere dont try and be cool like him and raise and kill innocent dogs. Secondly, he is nothing like “all the other dog fighters”. he is wealthy beyond reason and does not need to use a dog to hustle money to feed his family. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR WHAT HE HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN.
did you read the link to the list of offenses? that is some sick psyco serial killer torture shit and he needs to be stopped. who knows what sick shit he gets away with now that he’s super rich. he has the money to do whatever he wants as long as he doesnt get caught. for all i know, he could have some property in the woods with women being tortured. maybe an underground prostitution ring. who knows now.
[quote]JokerFMJ wrote:
mazilla wrote:
he should be banned from the NFL for life, locked away and when he is parolled he should be cleaning kennels at a dog pound for months. i hope he ends up poor and homeless.
of course i have two pitbulls and have owned several over the years, so my opinion is slightly bias. either way, fuck that punk bitch.
Do you mean, “either way,” as in guilty or not?[/quote]
where do you see that? i dont believe there is a question as to guilty or not. the evidence seems pretty concrete and plentifull to boot. of course if it’s all false he should be free to go.
According to this, it may be the gambling aspect of this case which may be more of a threat to Michael Vick.
This one says that there is a rumor that Vick is seeking a plea in order to avoid further charges (the possible RICO indictment).
This one goes into more detail about how the pleas of his co defendants will affect Vick�??s position.
Part of Vick’s potential punishment could involve going under experimental genetic modifications:
There is also a rumor that Vick might be able to get a job with the Prison’s band which specializes in El Mariachi: