[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I am for fair competition , until our markey is free (which will be never) fair is the best we can do . If I make steel in America and it costs me a hundred dollars a ton to comply with American Regulations , then any one that wants to compete either pays a tax or shows they comply with the same standards
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You expect other nations to follow you on the path to economic suicide?
Or else you wont trade with them.
That sounds… hollow.[/quote]
If I were king of America , they would play by American rules or not be in American Market place
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Well, if you are facing a collapse, why not get it over with?
I see you are of the “rip the band aid off” persuasion.
It is also quite humanitarian, given that the Chinese will have no choice but to, gasp, consume the fruits of their own labor…
Will they survive no longer subsidizing America?
Only time will tell…
By which I mean, hell yeah!
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The same thing happened in the 80s when the Savings and loans collapsed , they changed the regulations too quick and no one could stay solvent.
Specifically in the real estate market if you were in it for investment you could actually lose money on your investment but with the tax write offs you would still show profit . They changed that rule and it affected Clinton and Fife Symington to mention a couple
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
shows they comply with the same standards
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Whose standards?
What if the standards chosen actually interfere with the market in a way that would not otherwise have happened and people suffer because of it?
Shouldn’t the market decide what the standards should be? Don’t prices already help signal this to consumers?[/quote]
Air and water pollution standards, I do not think the Industry has the scruples to self police. Now pollution from the third world countries are becoming an issue to us all.
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What if those standards aren’t strict enough? What if the market can provide stricter standards than government? What if government policies allow pollution to happen in greater capacity than would otherwise happen with market regulation?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
This city is a tragic monument to social libertarianism and economic liberalism which are 2 sides of the same coin.[/quote]
Nope, sorry. Don’t pass it off as the fault of libertarianism.
It is a tragic monument to automobile fascism.[/quote]Sloth is better at this one than I am though he may be tired of saying it. The rotting corpse of the once mighty motor city is the direct consequence of the degenerative double edged sword of sexual promiscuity being literally financed by leftist social welfare spending. Children running the streets as feral beasts with no sound family structure whatsoever. It is, at bottom, no more complicated than that.
Awwww here we go again. “What laws would I suggest blah blah blah”.[/quote]
I believe the decline of Detroit happened more like this:
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The automobile industry booms
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The automobile industry lobbies government for protection
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The automobile industry becomes too bloated and dependent upon government and slowly starts to go bankrupt thus impoverishing a once thriving city.
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Democrats and Republicans move in to “save” the city by throwing money into “social” programs.
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???
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profit![/quote]There is some truth in what you say, but you are simply wrong overall. I’m not getting into this again at the moment though. I have a half dozen conversations I’m juggling already. Not that I don’t think you’re worth my time, but I’m only one guy.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
shows they comply with the same standards
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Whose standards?
What if the standards chosen actually interfere with the market in a way that would not otherwise have happened and people suffer because of it?
Shouldn’t the market decide what the standards should be? Don’t prices already help signal this to consumers?[/quote]
Air and water pollution standards, I do not think the Industry has the scruples to self police. Now pollution from the third world countries are becoming an issue to us all.
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What if those standards aren’t strict enough? What if the market can provide stricter standards than government? What if government policies allow pollution to happen in greater capacity than would otherwise happen with market regulation?[/quote]
If standards were not strict enough the people would have trouble with asthma , there would be strange incidences of cancers and disease. kind of sounds like today