What percentage of divorced women would say that they got divorced because their ex ‘treated them like shit?’
The modern narrative around divorce is more about people ‘growing apart,’ ‘having different goals,’ ‘not being in love anymore,’ ‘becoming different people’ or something similar.
Marriage keeps a man around and responsible for his kids not so much through social pressure as through the assurance that they are his kids.
The important thing to teach kids is that marriage is a choice, not something that happens to them.
If we’re going to take a ‘cultural shift’ approach to gun-violence amelioration, how about we do what we can to tamp down gun culture in general? For too many people, owning a gun seems to have become a central component of their identity, ie, it’s ‘who they are.’ As has been pointed out upthread, there are countries where the proportion of households containing a gun is actually higher than that of the US, but despite this, these countries have far lower rates of gun-related violence. One key difference, it seems to me, is that these countries do not fetishize guns the way we do here.
Yea but most states here have armed people legally in public. Im not sure it stopped anything so far. Even if people on crowd had guns theyd have no chance he was up high with superior fire power and was a few feet back from window so they couldnt get a shot. LVPD couldnt have done much better. The big news now is this “bump stock thing and stopping the issue of silincers” I dont think either solves the problem Silenced automatic weapons really cant be justified for home defense or hunting… But either way not jobs find guns I get it…
I actually saw a good video on this… Suicides up in places with lax gun laws due to a few factors
easier to kill self with gun
Many suicide attempts fail but with gun its certain
Many people mentally unstable get guns
It was a good vid Ill see if I can find it… No it wasnt Rachel Maddow stuff haha
I believe is a harvard study its a breakdown of all gun crime in USA including suicide
Last page is what interests me…Theres a chart that compares other countrys requirements to buying a gun… Minute 5:03 None of these would stop a sane gun enthusiast or collector but would make it harder to sell guns
Anybody who brings up silencer regulations in regards to the LV shooting is either ignorant or disingenuous.
Bump stocks are an interesting point of discussion, but the problem is that it’s so easy to obtain automatic fire rates from a semi-automatic through a myriad of different methods or modifications that outlawing bumpstocks is whack-a-mole at best.
I’ve been a “gun guy” my entire life and I know no one like you describe who hasn’t also served in elite units. Those guys depend on guns for their lives so that’s an entirely different subject.
The conversation among my group has always been centered on responsible handling and training. The club I belong to requires qualification and strict adherence to safety rules. When I’ve sold and purchased privately everyone has always required a bill of sale with ID and CCP checks.
I know the idiots exist, but strict enforcement would be a start. I also want to see more info on the asshat from vegas before drawing conclusions, but I have some theories I’ve posted around our culture of violence and antipsychotics. We have to remember these incidents are relatively new. Guns have a long history in this country. Something else is at work.
My mother shot herself in the head with my dads rifle. It went up through her palette and sinuses and out the top of her skull just behind her hair line. Not fatal. I also know (distantly) another guy that did the same thing with a shot gun. Blew the front of his face off and now he’s blind, but not dead.
Actually, all told, I know of 5 people who either shot themselves or someone else shot them in the face/head, and only one that died from it.
It has become a symbol of power and control or coercion, rather than a means to put food on the table. I think this makes guns extremely attractive to people prone to anxiety and other psychological problems, like the woman I wrote about in the “Things that piss you off” thread a couple of weeks ago.
She literally pulled out and showed me her gun to try to ellicit some kind of effect. The effect was “Hahaha. Thats the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. Now I might have to hurt you.” In contrast to my previous thoughts of “There’s that stupid dog lady again.”.
If we could design intelligent gun control legislation then I’d be fine with a bump stock ban because they serves no purpose. I’d prefer they allow fully automatic weapons with all the ATF checks those entail than some dumbass work around.
As for “silencers” too many people have been watching James Bond movies. They reduce noise but they’re far from silencing. Much more like “less than deafening.”
Guns, like any other hobby, can be a big component of people’s identity, and some people choose to wear it on their sleeve. Since getting into BJJ I see the same thing there. Open up some facebook profiles and yep, you know right away that BJJ is their thing. Same with a lot of lifters I know. They make sure you know that they lift, even if it is visually obvious. Plenty of gun owners make owning guns their thing, and I don’t see any harm in that at all.
People all have their things and as long as they aren’t hurting anyone else, I don’t really care if they put an AR15 sticker on the back of their truck and post a bunch of pictures of themselves with guns on social media. I think that’s a dumb invitation to thieves, but that’s just my opinion.
Why do people fetishize guns is a question worth answering, but that broad notion can mean different things to different people in different cultures. When we look at who is gunning other people down in America, it usually is not your right-wing neighbor who open carries and drives a truck with a bunch of stickers on the back that let you know he’s into guns. I might not like this guy living next door to me and practicing with his super-cool gun, but statistically speaking, he’s probably not going to shoot you with that thing.
Here’s a picture of gun fetishist Michael Brown. I don’t think identifying as a gun owner is what got him killed. We can speculate as to why he decided to assault a cop and try to kill that cop with his own gun, but I think it had a lot less to do with his penchant for stupid pictures like this and a lot more to do with his penchant for violent behavior.
I think a better question to answer is why are people gunning each other down at alarming rates in our inner cities? Why do people value a few thousand dollars more than a person’s life? How is it that social media arguments can lead to shots fired? Why is cooperating with police an acceptable reason to kill another person? How do violent criminals become role models? Why is violence such a casual part of so many young men’s lives in our cities? (And in case you want to declare that statement to be racist, I’ve linked statistics linked in .pdf file below).
This is a cultural problem. Human life is not valued as it should be, and violent behavior is too often glorified and emulated. This cuts across all cultures, but it is not exactly a secret that young men in inner cities are the ones driving up the numbers.
Perhaps you’re right, and if guns were somehow fetishized less we wouldn’t see children being routinely shot in Chicago for the most trivial of reasons. I don’t really see the connection there, but you’re a lot better at the rhetorical gymnastics necessary to place the blame where you think it should lie. I’d be curious to hear you explain how one leads to the other.
Okay, I don’t want to belabor the point. You have some good points, my needle is still on calling mass attacks designed to terrify people are acts of terrorism. We don’t know this guy’s motivation yet. I understand in your view that there are two components to terrorism, reason for action, then the action itself.
This is not, as far as we know Islamic terrorism, but people are terrorized nonetheless. I am as curious as anybody as to the motivation of this act. When we know that, then perhaps it will more closely with your definition.
Of the two brothers of mine who committed suicide the one who died fastest was from drugs. The other was was a former Recon Marine who was armed security, so a gun ban wouldn’t have worked. Both could have used some actual mental health care, which was entirely unavailable. If anyone is going to assuage their conscious about how we treat veterans (and particularly veteran suicide rates) with a gun ban, they can go fuck themselves.
Yeah, that Tillerson debacle was not good for NBC of CNN. Especially when they dug in their heals after he dispelled what amounted to be nothing more than a rumor.
