Evolution occurs. The evidence is overwhelming. As far as I can tell there is not much evidence to confirm how life really began.
Anyone that absolutely believes evolution is bullshit is as closed minded as those that think evolutionary science somehow disproves the existence of God.
I have no idea if God exists or not. I am glad I am open minded enough to admit that I just don’t know.
[quote]IagoMB wrote:
“But to answer, I think I could go to someplace with a really big microscope for an atom. Probably have to be in the right place for a quasar.”
Really? You’d be the first on the planet. I think you just said “I don’t have the facts and don’t know how to get them.”[/quote]
Oh ya got me good there. Really on point! Way to go! You have a superior mind. You can point out the mistakes of others. Perhaps you are evolved from God. Douchebag.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Evolution occurs. The evidence is overwhelming. As far as I can tell there is not much evidence to confirm how life really began.
Anyone that absolutely believes evolution is bullshit is as closed minded as those that think evolutionary science somehow disproves the existence of God.
I have no idea if God exists or not. I am glad I am open minded enough to admit that I just don’t know.[/quote]
I agree with this line of thinking. I enjoy figuring out shit. It is what I do. If I didn’t have a job involving some aspect of investigation, I would go out of my mind. I just don’t get how some seem to think that a belief in God means that you disregard science. I don’t understand how so many don’t understand the view of science being exactly what it is, an attempt to explain what is around us and how it works. Why would this need to work without the belief in God?
[quote]lucasa wrote:
Professor X,
We agree that there are holes in the fossil record and that it require some belief for these holes to be “filled in”. If the holes were patched with actual fossils would you believe ID to be invalid? Also, the “statistics” and “irreducible complexity”, while accurate (or as accurate as we have for now), could possibly describe a myriad of phenomenon both intelligent and “other”. Aside from these two fundamentals is there other evidence of ID that you are aware of?
BTW-Are you under the impression that we (this forum and maybe even everyone) currently lack the vocabulary to engage in this conversation? I ask because I keep hearing/reading subtle “shades” of ID some of which I believe and some of which I don’t.[/quote]
My honest view is that we don’t understand even a 1/10th of what is going on around us. Our understanding is based on third dimension cause and effect logic. To me that means even if we understood every aspect of this plane of existence, we would be ill-equipped to understand another which is very possible.
For me, I don’t believe for a second that we are the highest level of intelligence ever to exist within all of creation. I think that attitude is blatantly arrogant and blind. I also don’t hold that any one particular division of “religion” on this planet understands it all. I think religion has the equal potential to enlighten as it has to corrupt…simply because there are more sheep than shepherds on the planet and power corrupts. I do, however, believe in balance and that this is how things work in this universe. Cause and effect, good and evil. I think there can be absolute manifestations of both.
[quote]btm62 wrote:
Oh ya got me good there. Really on point! Way to go! You have a superior mind. You can point out the mistakes of others. Perhaps you are evolved from God. Douchebag. [/quote]
It’s pretty obvious you don’t know how to debate. I did not get you good. I have no idea if I superior mind. I wasn’t pointing out a mistake, but rather a lack of facts. And now that you’re name calling, I’m done with you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Evolution occurs. The evidence is overwhelming. As far as I can tell there is not much evidence to confirm how life really began.
Anyone that absolutely believes evolution is bullshit is as closed minded as those that think evolutionary science somehow disproves the existence of God.
I have no idea if God exists or not. I am glad I am open minded enough to admit that I just don’t know.
I agree with this line of thinking. I enjoy figuring out shit. It is what I do. If I didn’t have a job involving some aspect of investigation, I would go out of my mind. I just don’t get how some seem to think that a belief in God means that you disregard science. I don’t understand how so many don’t understand the view of science being exactly what it is, an attempt to explain what is around us and how it works. Why would this need to work without the belief in God?[/quote]
It doesn’t although some people are angry at religion for a variety of reasons (some good, some not) and try to disprove the existence of God.
Some of the greatest minds believe in God or are at least wise enough to know that science does not invalidate God.
Most of these religion haters would likely be surprised to hear that many (most?) priests struggle with the existence of God too, but they prefer to act as if God exists as they feel it is better for the world in so many ways.
I cannot believe we have the same debate on this subject over and over again.