Var/Primo Cycle Advice/Critique

Pharma / TRT
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Hi Guys, I’m currently planning a cycle to take me into the summer. Looking to loose BF whilst maintainig strength and muscular size. Completed a test and dbol cycle a while go and grew very nicely, so am keen to maintain as much of the mass i earnt on that cycle whilst in a calorie deficit.

I have been looking at various cycles and am interested in trying an anavar/primo cycle. Before you all **** yourself about the potential prices of it, well, i can get it cheap.

I have enough var to run up to 100mg’s for 14 weeks, and enough primo (oral) to run at 1g EW for 10 weeks. I am not saying that i will use all of it, just if you want to suggest a cycle based around these compunds then dosing is not much of an issue.

Why no test? Well, if im being honest i fancy trying something different. I know some people highly rate var, so i’m keen to give it a go, and for the price i can currently obtain it for, i’d be mad not to. Also circumstances over the summer would make pinning EOD very difficult.

So, any reccomendations? 60mg var ED + 100mg Primo? 80mg var, save primo? I’m all ears.

One more thing. Anyone know how much either of these compounds affects joints/collagen synthesis? Whilst on test and dbol i put so much strength on i now get ache’s where my pec joins at my shoulder (armpit) whilst benching. Its a real pain as it stops me training as hard as i’d like. Any chance either of these would help with that?

Thanks for any help.

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I think that is a lot of Var. Your back might turn into a mangled mess of pump. Well at least for me it would. But that dose of Var(80mgs) is double what I currently take. I would give it around 50mgs a day and stacked with what ever else you choose. See what you think and try to increase it if you can handle it. Its the back pumps that are going to nail you before sides with Var. Thats been my experience with it.

I am not sure about the primo as I have no experience with it. Maybe someone else will chime in.

Just thought I would add my 2 cents.

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[quote]Sentinal wrote:
Hi Guys, I’m currently planning a cycle to take me into the summer. Looking to loose BF whilst maintainig strength and muscular size. Completed a test and dbol cycle a while go and grew very nicely, so am keen to maintain as much of the mass i earnt on that cycle whilst in a calorie deficit.

I have been looking at various cycles and am interested in trying an anavar/primo cycle. Before you all **** yourself about the potential prices of it, well, i can get it cheap.

I have enough var to run up to 100mg’s for 14 weeks, and enough primo (oral) to run at 1g EW for 10 weeks. I am not saying that i will use all of it, just if you want to suggest a cycle based around these compunds then dosing is not much of an issue.

Why no test? Well, if im being honest i fancy trying something different. I know some people highly rate var, so i’m keen to give it a go, and for the price i can currently obtain it for, i’d be mad not to. Also circumstances over the summer would make pinning EOD very difficult.

So, any reccomendations? 60mg var ED + 100mg Primo? 80mg var, save primo? I’m all ears.

One more thing. Anyone know how much either of these compounds affects joints/collagen synthesis? Whilst on test and dbol i put so much strength on i now get ache’s where my pec joins at my shoulder (armpit) whilst benching. Its a real pain as it stops me training as hard as i’d like. Any chance either of these would help with that?

Thanks for any help.[/quote]

Yeah they both improve/increase collagen synth, but not as much as deca or eq.

I think run them both, primo at 100/day, and try the var at 40-50 at first like db said, to assess any possible back pumps, then ramp up as you see fit, whether that’s 60 or 80.
I never got back pumps from anavar myself, but that’s just me.

I’m not entirely sure that even with these relatively safe oral steroids, that I would run them that long though. You’re going to get shut down so I hope you have a pct lined up also. I would run them from 4-8 weeks tops, but that’s my personal opinion. You might want to run a lipid profile at least and keep an eye on that.

Great combo in my opinion for you though.

Good luck,

ToneBone

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Thanks for the help guys. Dirtbag, im going to take your advice and start the var doseage at a moderate level. Dbol gives me both shin and back pumps, so if var is worse for that, it may be a limiting factor as to how much i can take.

InTheZone, i wasn’t planning on running the cycle for 14 weeks, i was just trying to emphasize that i had enough of each compund to be pretty flexable with the doseages.

I have PCT in and sorted. Also have adex on hand just in case - not that i’m expecting many sides.

Glad to hear about the increased collagen synthesis - i think my joints could really use it.

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In my personal experience I have only been on Var. I have tryed low doses. At first you feel it but it does nothing but give you minor pumps. Then I upped my dosage to 40mgs a day. Even used it in burst cycles. But now I am on for longer period with really nothing unexpected in side effect terms.

After 7 to 9 days your strength goes up bit. For example in curls. I was curling 40lbs dbs to almost failure at 3x8. So far I am up to curling 50lbs 3x8 close to failure. And I am 14 days in at this point. I expect maybe another 5 lbs jump in the next couple days. But gains are very slow and you get really nice pumps that last for hours. I am also really conservative about increasing weight to prevent tendon damage and injury to the muscle.

Strength is var’s best selling point. But there is some back pumps. I also experienced some charley horses on my calves. Enough to skip training them. Some oily skin and some minor bacne. Nothing showers and some sun didn’t cure. I would consider staying on this stuff for a really long time but the cost is way to much. And I am going to switch to Test-E soon. I might consider upping the dose to 50mgs but if the back pumps are to much I will drop back to 40. Its a good number for me.

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Thanks for the knowledge Dirtbag. Strength is really what im after since i’ll be in a calorie deficit, and want to maintain as much muscle size as i can.

It seems like you get pretty nice strength increases on a modest doseage, os i’ll give 50mgs a go to begin with, and talor that dose depending on sides. Like i said earlier, i have 10g raw powder, so i can run pretty much any sensible dose for quite some time.

Increased collagen synthesis is another plus for me, as i do get tendon pains from large strength increases from prior cycles. I train pretty hard as well.

Thanks for your help again, good luck with your cycle

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I took var for 75mgs…and noticed only mild back pumps…even when I bumped up to 100mgs I noticed only minor back pumps…I think you should use injectable primo…with the var…However I used the var for strength, and thats what it did.

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Thanks Facko, unfortunatly i only have oral primo - still considering whether or not to use it ATM.

Any numbers for the strength gans you experienced? I know everybodys different, but it’d be nice to knwo what i can look forward to!

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[quote]Sentinal wrote:
Thanks Facko, unfortunatly i only have oral primo - still considering whether or not to use it ATM.

Any numbers for the strength gans you experienced? I know everybodys different, but it’d be nice to knwo what i can look forward to! [/quote]

Well…Within four weeks I was doing reps with my max.

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yeah stick the primo in… i only done the enanthate, but at 100mgs a day (alot doesnt make first pass) you should get a decent effect… it is mild. It has no noticeable strength, but you should gain a little off it. For me it helped with bringing up a couple very slight discrepancies in symmetry. That was on a lower dosage than you will be on.

It is also not 17-AA so you can do primo for a decent length…
i’d run primo for a good 12 weeks and stop the var at 8 maybe.

Joe