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We have better health practices as a general population but people lived really long before that time as well. Ben franklin died at age 84. Hippocrates lived to 83. Odd that Hippocrates first taught the “food is medicine and medicine is food” and Ben Franklin was also known for very healthy practices. Its not like you need drugs to live long guys. Just because we have them now doesn’t mean they are the cause of longer lifespans. Some could probably be contributed to vaccines and antibiotics that are used for serious bacterial infections but even now we can’t combine our most powerful antibiotics into a cocktail and kill some resistant bacteria.
As I stated before we have all the knowledge of how to be healthy but you can’t go get a degree in health. Only in how to cure disease. the medical industry is so focused on disease when the man focus should be health and nutrition We now all for the most part wash our hands, brush our teeth, bathe more frequently, clean our wounds and actually know about bacteria and viruses and how they spread. We have clean water which was absent for the most part and unclean water caused a lot of deaths (dysentery, cholera and redistributing other pathogens and pollutants). We didn’t even know about much about viruses and bacteria before the 1900’s.
The world is also a different place then is was pre 1900. We have vastly exceeded our capacity to deal with life. We have all this stuff if you actually maintained it all according to the directions you would spend your whole life maintaining things. Everything is convenient and food water and shelter are pretty much a given for most of the population. Before 1900, all that most people really worried about was food water and shelter for themselves and their family. Those were even hard to come by.
It all adds up. I’m sure there are more and even better reasons but I think you can agree that the tendency to only focus of disease and curing it with drugs is a major problem is society. While they may extend life in some cases intake of drugs does not correlate to a long lifespan. Being healthy makes you live long and its a sad truth that you can’t study health at a university[/quote]
Ok still no proof. Weird. No one ever said you need drugs to live long. We’re arguing your idiotic point that drugs aren’t needed once you have a disease. (Again show me how food, water, air and light can cure cancer, hiv, als, ischemia, parkinsons, huntingtons, lupus, acromegaly, cretinism, etc)
“but even now we can’t combine our most powerful antibiotics into a cocktail and kill some resistant bacteria”…umm yeah? You’re essentially bashing drugs in your posts and then complaining that we can’t fight superbugs with our current antibiotics? You can’t have major milestone breakthroughs for every type of illness/disease on the planet nonstop. What is even your point there?
And no, the medical community should be focused on…medicine (see how that works?) You can’t study health at a university? Really? So there are no programs in nutrition, health sciences, physiology, biology, biochem?
And this…“We have all this stuff if you actually maintained it all according to the directions you would spend your whole life maintaining things” Seriously wtf are you even talking about there?[/quote]
are there modern medical CURES for all those things u stated? no, cant believe how many close minded fucks are on this site who think they know everything. you are pretty much saying that western medicine is perfect by not allowing any outside ideas to enter, clean diet is good, clean water is good, clean air is good, i’m sure it could reverse some diseases that are directly caused by not having those very things, and yes modern medicine is good too he never said the shit doesn’t work bro u fucktard thats ur only argument he simply said maybe its not the best approach as far as i have read.
but ur all brb im a genius
brb nothing can be true if i dont know it
brb i therefore know everything
shit my bad bro u must have some kinda alien intelligence, was wrong to question ur omnipotence [/quote]
LOL what are you even saying? This has to be a troll job. Obviously I don’t think modern medicine is perfect, otherwise I wouldn’t have listed all those diseases with no cures or unknown etiologies. I don’t even know how to address the rest of your post. It is just too stupid to make sense[/quote]
ur tellin this guy to allow his body to heal its self and because it cant heal its self from the most serious of diseases we have today it is impossible( guy clearly healed himself in some way in that vid) and can never happen (even though it is never tried). modern medicine has tried to heal these things and things like it and failed thus far, and with other medication normally caused more disease later on. so how far fetched is it to say vaccines could have bad shit in it, pretty much everything else giving out has bad shit/side effects that comes wit it. just going with the logic of rational as u twats would say. call me dumb w.e ur invested in the medical field somehow obvi ur not gonna wanna believe some of the things u learned are lies, i wouldnt either. and before u say anything remember science is ever changing so what you know now could be incomplete i accept my ideas might be (and definitely i am not educated in the medical field), only difference is i am open to change that will hopefully come to the flawed medical field
inb4 only reading i am not trained in the medical field so i have no opinion because i am stupid and impressionable [/quote]
I wasn’t telling anyone to heal themselves? Where are you even getting this from??? I’m not even going to respond to this anymore because what went on in this thread was clearly way over your head. People from both sides of the debate put out logical responses (mezcal and storey) and then there are your posts with random, incoherent babble that has nothing to do with what has been discussed. Congratulations [/quote]
yea that was essentially what he was saying about clean water, food, air ect. he wasnt trying to say it has healing effects like medicine huuurrrrdduurrr it puts the body in an optimal state to heal ITSELF and u completely disregarded those statements, and no we arent talking about life threatening things were talking vaccines aka preventative shit when i decided to comment so imo clean environment=better prevention because the body is healing itself as it should… i think maybe that flew over UR head makes sense now… awkward [/quote]
I’m confused at what you’re trying to get at here. No one said that proper nutrition and reduced exposure to pathogens was a bad thing. But the problem is that bacteria, virus’ and parasites (to a lesser extent) are everywhere, they’re a natural component to the environment. It’s easy to say that clean water and food would help the healing process because the body would be able to focus on the major task at hand instead of being compromised further with pathogens. Clean water has been achieved in modern civilization. But pathogen free food is a whole other story, pathogens are at a minimum but it’s next to impossible with current practices to remove all pathogens from food. The best way possible is irradiating the food, but I’m willing to bet that anti-vaccines zealots would lump irradiating food right up there with modern plagues of society.
Getting back to your “clean” environment. Are you talking pathogen free environment b/c for all practical purposes that’s impossible. Even bacteria that normally wouldn’t cause issues can be opportunistic and if the right circumstances arise can become pathogenic.
The use of vaccines is allowing the body to better defend itself against certain pathogens. So you could make the argument that vaccines are helping the body “heal” itself by being able to mount a response before symptoms arise and quell the infection before it can take hold. What about getting vaccinated against pathogens endemic to a part of the world (say africa) that you a going to visit. Would you take the vaccines and give your body a fighting chance against the pathogens or would you take your chances that you could be potentially exposed to a host of novel pathogens that could kill you?
I feel that having the ability to damn vaccines is a luxury only people in first world countries have. These individuals haven’t seen or been directly affected by the host of pathogens that dramatically increase morbidity and mortality. Check out this link that goes over all the vaccines and vaccine policies associated with disease in sub-saharan Africa alone: Vaccine-Preventable Diseases - Disease and Mortality in Sub-Saharan Africa - NCBI Bookshelf . [/quote]
the guy was just pissing me off, he was saying to the guy he should be able to heal himself diseases modern medicine has no clue about curing, so his point was moot. and ur right i most def wouldnt want to be thrown into Africa without vaccination but i would rather just avoid those places, and living where i am no having no vaccination(other then the ones i got when i was to young to think anything of it) i have been perfectly fine. also i was trying to get across its not to hard to think vaccines could be bad for you, i mean doctors used to suggest smoking for its health benefits, not to mention all the drugs that have cause alot of birth defects/srs problems and you see a new one every couple of months on some commercial about getting compensation. also as far as i have heard fluoride is pretty awful to ingest and vaccines apparently use it as a preservative(or at least have fairly high concentration). sorry if i am going all over the place keeping my ideas in a ordered flow has never been my strong point.