[quote]karva wrote:
Don’t you people have to register to be able to vote?[/quote]
Half of them don’t even bother.
Wisconsin Shooting Kills 6, Wounds 1
A two year old little girl was found with a gunshot in the chest.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Wisconsin Shooting Kills 6, Wounds 1
A two year old little girl was found with a gunshot in the chest.
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/06/10/ap3805834.html [/quote]
Alright so because some people died we should ban it right. If people die because something can be used for violence it should be banned thats your stance correct?
[quote]lixy wrote:
Wisconsin Shooting Kills 6, Wounds 1
A two year old little girl was found with a gunshot in the chest.
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/06/10/ap3805834.html
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Don’t just post a link. Put up a thought-provoking comment along with it to prompt discussion.
Stop wasting people’s time.
Those are the rules, you know.
[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
Don’t just post a link. Put up a thought-provoking comment along with it to prompt discussion.
Stop wasting people’s time.
Those are the rules, you know.[/quote]
I didn’t start a thread with it, now did I?
It seemed a propos. If you got a problem with it, why don’t you explain to us how unrelated to the topic it is?
[quote]lixy wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
Don’t just post a link. Put up a thought-provoking comment along with it to prompt discussion.
Stop wasting people’s time.
Those are the rules, you know.
I didn’t start a thread with it, now did I?
It seemed a propos. If you got a problem with it, why don’t you explain to us how unrelated to the topic it is?[/quote]
Cars kill people.
Food kills people.
So what?
[quote]orion wrote:
lixy wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
Don’t just post a link. Put up a thought-provoking comment along with it to prompt discussion.
Stop wasting people’s time.
Those are the rules, you know.
I didn’t start a thread with it, now did I?
It seemed a propos. If you got a problem with it, why don’t you explain to us how unrelated to the topic it is?
Cars kill people.
Food kills people.
So what?
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Hell electricity kills people why don’t we get rid of that too.
[quote]John S. wrote:
orion wrote:
lixy wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
Don’t just post a link. Put up a thought-provoking comment along with it to prompt discussion.
Stop wasting people’s time.
Those are the rules, you know.
I didn’t start a thread with it, now did I?
It seemed a propos. If you got a problem with it, why don’t you explain to us how unrelated to the topic it is?
Cars kill people.
Food kills people.
So what?
Hell electricity kills people why don’t we get rid of that too.
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And simultaneously cut down CO2 emissions!
Pure genius!
[quote]orion wrote:
Cars kill people.
Food kills people.
So what? [/quote]
Again, cars’ primary role is to transport people or things from point A to point B.
Food is not designed to kill people (at least the majority of them anyway). Food helps you sustain life in that vessel of yours.
Electricity’s main goal is to illuminate our dark nights, power up our fancy gadgets, etc…
Guns were designed to inflict harm to other people.
Surely, someone as cultivated as you are, must see the HUGE flaw in you argument.
[quote]lixy wrote:
orion wrote:
Cars kill people.
Food kills people.
So what?
Again, cars’ primary role is to transport people or things from point A to point B.
Food is not designed to kill people (at least the majority of them anyway). Food helps you sustain life in that vessel of yours.
Electricity’s main goal is to illuminate our dark nights, power up our fancy gadgets, etc…
Guns were designed to inflict harm to other people.
Surely, someone as cultivated as you are, must see the HUGE flaw in you argument.[/quote]
Guns where not ment to harm people, they are there for protection, They are tools, just like cars are tools and electricity is a tool. The thing is you can take a tool and use it for harm. Again I will say GUNS ARE NOT MENT TO HARM THEY ARE FOR PROTECTION.
[quote]lixy wrote:
orion wrote:
Cars kill people.
Food kills people.
So what?
Again, cars’ primary role is to transport people or things from point A to point B.
Food is not designed to kill people (at least the majority of them anyway). Food helps you sustain life in that vessel of yours.
Electricity’s main goal is to illuminate our dark nights, power up our fancy gadgets, etc…
Guns were designed to inflict harm to other people.
Surely, someone as cultivated as you are, must see the HUGE flaw in you argument.[/quote]
No, guns are designed to threaten people.
Big difference.
More americans die from automobile accidents than shootings. The wikipedia says there was 42,884 collision related fatalities in 2003 versus about 10-15 thousand shooting related deaths anually. This is consistant with the number on driveandstayalive.com.There seems to be a similiar number every year with a little over 40,000. Thats not even factoring in the close to 3 million injuries.
“60% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed. 40% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they thought the victim might be armed.”
James Wright and Peter Rossi, “Armed and Considered Dangerous: A Survey of Felons and Their Firearms”, New York: Aldine, 1986
[quote]orion wrote:
No, guns are designed to threaten people.
Big difference.[/quote]
Are you serious? I mean, why the hell would you have silencers and hollow point bullets if all you want is to threaten people?
I’m pretty certain that the first guy who made a gun designed it so that it would inflict the most damage to the target.
[quote]lixy wrote:
orion wrote:
People snorting cocain at a private party do not go to jail
Oh no? I’m sure many many convicted people will disagree with that.
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Users are rarely convicted unless they are caught with an appreciable amount to corroborate the selling of said cocaine.
I agree completely with orion. If we legalize all illicit drugs crime rates will automatically go down. People like to cite junkies as a source of crime but I think that is a little overblown. It would be like saying alcoholics are prone to commit crimes. We don’t see that behavior at all in alcoholics unless it is behind the wheel of a car.
The main crimes committed with respect to drugs are violent crimes usually centered around “doing business”. Take that business away and no more motivation to kill for profit, etc.
[quote]lixy wrote:
orion wrote:
No, guns are designed to threaten people.
Big difference.
Are you serious? I mean, why the hell would you have silencers and hollow point bullets if all you want is to threaten people?
I’m pretty certain that the first guy who made a gun designed it so that it would inflict the most damage to the target.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_warfare[/quote]
I am not denying that some people use them to kill.
Some people use knives to kill, some poison, some legitimate drugs that are overdosed.
However, you have been presented with statistics that clearly show that in over 90% of cases where guns prevent crimes they are NOT fired.
So, if in the majority of cases that guns are used they are not fired and nobody is harmed how can you argue that their reason of existence is to hurt people?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
lixy wrote:
orion wrote:
People snorting cocain at a private party do not go to jail
Oh no? I’m sure many many convicted people will disagree with that.
Users are rarely convicted unless they are caught with an appreciable amount to corroborate the selling of said cocaine.
I agree completely with orion. If we legalize all illicit drugs crime rates will automatically go down. People like to cite junkies as a source of crime but I think that is a little overblown. It would be like saying alcoholics are prone to commit crimes. We don’t see that behavior at all in alcoholics unless it is behind the wheel of a car.
The main crimes committed with respect to drugs are violent crimes usually centered around “doing business”. Take that business away and no more motivation to kill for profit, etc.[/quote]
Don’t forget the horrific domestic crimes committed by drunks.
There was a reason prohibition came about.
Making alcohol and drugs legal/illegal is just swapping one set of problems for another.
Our drug laws need to be revamped. Pot and other mild drugs should be legal.
I think legalizing some of the more addictive stuff might not be the right move.
[quote]orion wrote:
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So, if in the majority of cases that guns are used they are not fired and nobody is harmed how can you argue that their reason of existence is to hurt people?
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I have a cabinet full of guns that have never hurt anyone.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Don’t forget the horrific domestic crimes committed by drunks.
There was a reason prohibition came about.
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You are saying that we should criminalize people because their habits might lead to crime?
What about future politicians?
Sure.
Absolutely.
It replaces an approach that does not and never will work, produces tons of victimless crimes, has led to legal perversions like RICO, police state like SWAT teams and all that at an enormous waste of tax dollars and replaces it with a chronic medical problem like diabetes.
[quote]orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Don’t forget the horrific domestic crimes committed by drunks.
There was a reason prohibition came about.
You are saying that we should criminalize people because their habits might lead to crime?
What about future politicians?
Making alcohol and drugs legal/illegal is just swapping one set of problems for another.
Sure.
Absolutely.
It replaces an approach that does not and never will work, produces tons of victimless crimes, has led to legal perversions like RICO, police state like SWAT teams and all that at an enormous waste of tax dollars and replaces it with a chronic medical problem like diabetes.
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Drugs and alcohol lead to far more problems than the medical issues of the users. Domestic violence, traffic accidents etc. It is often not the user that is the victim.
These are MASSIVE problems. You cannot sweep them under the rug quite so easily.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Users are rarely convicted unless they are caught with an appreciable amount to corroborate the selling of said cocaine. [/quote]
I actually had no idea users were rarely prosecuted. Now the jail population figures are even scarier…
Same here.