And now the Texas AG has filed for permission to sue in SCOTUS to challenge other state’s voting processes.
Setting aside this is headed nowhere, the continued debasement and abuse of our legal process and the judiciary of the - wait for it - self-described “law and order” crowd is the single biggest shame and embarrassment in modern electoral history.
That they would do this - and would be enabled by the GOP - is a disgrace. They won’t succeed in litigation, of course, but more importantly people need to remember this is what the party attempted and now represents at the next election and the next election - attempting to disenfranchise millions of voters to overturn an election based on a fraudulent story.
We don’t do this continental, anti-democratic strongman nonsense here in America. Make sure and vote accordingly in 2022.
Another attempt to get on Trump’s good list and curry favor among his supporters and probably angle for a pardon. The Texas AG is under FBI investigation for bribery:
He’s also been under indicted 5 years ago for fraud and still hasn’t gone to trial:
Oh no, far from it - I’m consistent with what the Founders wanted in protecting the republic (and republicanism) from demagogues and authoritarians. The GOP has gone full Banana Republic(an) and they need to lose every election that fields a candidate who supports this nonsense.
I’ve been frustrated with the lack of acknowledgment of Biden’s win by our representatives on the right. But I’m ready to give many of the current GOP politicians an out, as I reckon what’s waiting in the wings if they piss off Trump supporters is far worse. If all the current GOP Congressman, women and Senators speak out in support of the election results, they’ll be voted out in mass in 2022. Then what do we get? True believer Trumpist’s, like Marjorie Taylor Greene in Georgia is my guess.
I’m pretty convinced, or maybe just hopeful that many on the right dislike Trump, but are between a rock and hard place right now. Watching the winnowing of Republican candidates for the 2016 election was like seeing a car wreck in slow motion. I don’t think the GOP realized Trump had a chance until it was too late. They didn’t take him seriously. I’d like to get back to voting right in 2022 and I’m hoping we’ll see signs that the party gets out from under the current spell they’re in.
I read that you are saying you hope the GOP will move to be a vanguard of Republicanism (ideal, not party), while he has called for the relative destruction of the GOP by cheerleading the Dems, to do that.
Curious as to how the Dems do that when they have shown no inclination in spirit or action towards that end. Rather from my pov - the opposite.
Yep. I hated the idea that congresspeople would stay quiet or enable Trump’s disgraceful early attempts to get the election disqualified. But I could understand how they might be in a difficult place with their districts’ voting makeup, and at the time he hadn’t had any cases adjudicated, or a couple. I pointed out how Dan Crenshaw was able to professionally handle the early difficulty by not giving in to any conspiracy theory nonsense. I didn’t agree, but ok he was able to handle it
This though, and the fact that McConnell won’t even recognize the states’ certification of results and called Biden “president-elect”, or acknowledge his win (President-elect? GOP may wait for January to say Biden won | AP News) is so far beyond the pale I can’t even fathom it.
No evidence. All lawsuits except 1(?) dismissed or summarily rejected. This is not acceptable. You do not play “chicken” with the country’s foundations. And you can’t hand wave this away.
I think you are quite correct that many in the GOP dislike Trump. And I’m absolutely certain that nobody thought Trump had a chance in the primaries. I am not as forgiving as you are though with the lack of acknowledgement. There are ways to do it - even reach out to Biden himself in person. And at some point you have to grow a spine or all the talk about principles means nothing
I think you and I actually see most things similarly at a political level with the exception of Trump - or at least we have a lot of common ground between areas of disagreement.
Here’s the problem with what you say about the GOP moving to be a vanguard of Republican ideals. I don’t want talk. And if all they do is talk, then they’re liars. They had 4 years to walk their principles out and they didn’t. They had their chance to prove their mettle. Multiple chances.
True leaders do what’s right, not just what they think will save their skin. I’m most certainly prepared to accept some compromise - after all this IS politics, and you can’t have everything your own way all the time… Or even most of the time. And I can understand things like trying to balance your district’s base with other competing needs. But that is not what I see from this crop of GOP congresspeople. I don’t see trying to maintain principles while balancing competing needs, except for a few like Romney.
I admit this is simply my own somewhat fired up view, but this group of the GOP leaders is pretty much everything our founding fathers feared about political parties. And obviously on the other side as well, but we’re not talking about them at the moment.
I’d rather be dead than a coward. And I’d rather eat dog shit than vote for self serving cowards with no spine. Sorry.
If a new group of GOP leadership comes into power and can put words into actual practice, I will be more than happy. But this crop does not.
Romney is one of the very few who’s been consistent, and for that he has my respect.
EDIT–to say, I am almost certain that after Trump is out of office McConnell and others will go back to talking about principles. But they didn’t live those principles out while he was in office, so that makes their words hollow to me.
As of right now, yes you’re correct, we’re not discussing the same solution.
As I read it, the difference between TB and me right now is that I’m holding out hope for the Right to right the ship by 22’. But, I may wind up where he is right now. We shall see.
Believe me I don’t like the silence one bit which my posting has shown. I think there’s a difference right now between:
A. Silence/noncommittal reaction - my guess is these are people biding their time and waiting until January 6th to come out of the closet in their support of the election results. This is far from ideal but as I said, if they speak up now and call Trump out (like they should) I think we get Qanon supporters in congress in 22’. This is probably just my glass half full mentality coming out though.
B. Those actively supporting Trump’s bullshit like the Texas AG, Ted Cruz, etc. These are the people who are going to ride Trump’s coattails into the flames. There’s no redemption for them.
Biden did say that a number of GOP representatives have privately reached out to him. The last I read on the subject, he hinted that McConnell had as well.
I read your last post and largely feel the same way which is why I’d be a terrible politician.
The people who need to be politicians never are. Can’t deal with the bullshit lol.
I dunno…sounds kinda glass half empty to me when you’re talking about Qanon like that lol.
I do think there is a difference between silence and active support of said bullshit. And pragmatically speaking you’re probably right, I’ve just had more than my share of non-committal silence by now (not just speaking of the election results). I know they wouldn’t be anywhere near as fire-spitting as criticisms on this board (at least in language), I’m just sick of GOP people pretending this is ok, “normal” state of affairs.
Poor writing on my part. I meant glass half full if those who are silent aren’t on the fraud/conspiracy band wagon.
The real test for the next couple of election cycles will be 24’ if Trump decides to run again. If so, we’ll find out if the GOP has any backbone left.
Here’s my issue - I don’t think the GOP can (or should be able to ) wash this stink off by 2022. I’m a realist about politics - sometimes elected officials have to trim their talk and actions defending principles due to fear of electoral repercussions, I get it. But at some point when a line is crossed, that political pragmatism is out the door and it’s time to stand up for what’s right.
When they don’t, there have to be consequences. No Republican should be able to silent on a matter this grave but then say in 2022 he/she didn’t really support it, no really, I really do stand up for certain principles, just had that unfortunate balancing act back in 2020, all good now. No way.
This is a put up or shut up moment for Republicans. If they don’t stand against this betrayal of American - not Republican, American - principles, they need to be finished in public life. Period.
Texas - and the Trump campaign and a bunch of red states - now take the position that nine unelected people should use their powers to overrule the vote and disenfranchise millions of voters after states have already certified results, and now support a brand new constitutional theory that a state has the right to sue a sister state challenging and invalidating how the sister state ran its election. That’s your modern GOP in 2020 - antidemocratic judicial activists and sworn enemies of federalism.
I agree completely. I am, of course, optimistic this will go absolutely no where. But I agree this should leave a permanent stain on those that support it, condone it, and watch it happen silently to save their own short term skin. With the intent now laid bare of “overturn the election at any cost”, it’s really and truly sickening.
Pretty much my position. Grow some balls, grow a spine, or get the fuck out. (Excuse me for the philistine talk, out with a group washing down libations lol).
I really do understand there are balancing acts in Congress. And going back to GWB and Obama I feel like I’ve been pretty consistently conservative on this board, even as I’ve evolved my thoughts on certain things. When Obama was POTUS pat and myself used to agree a lot more . Now all of a sudden I want communism or something.
This isn’t complicated. There are many moments you can compromise and balance competing needs. There are a few moments that you need to stand up for principles you say you believe in - at least make a verbal agreement - or get thrown out with the garbage.
I look forward to new leadership in the GOP. In my opinion it can’t come soon enough.
For a party that hounds others endlessly (and for decades) about judicial legislation and judicial activism, this is the basest kind of hypocrisy.
. Now all of a sudden I want communism or something.