Make it then.
Will have to be later but you do realize it’s going to be subjective right? Just like you can dismiss Trump calling for violence just as well as I could. And that’s the point it’s subjective stuff.
But Fox has its share of people who have had rhetoric that could absolutely lead to violence. As has the actual President of the United States who as you know doesn’t need any blame!
But we would be arguing about what something means and how big of a deal something is. If you think this doesn’t take place on the right you’re out of your mind.
Do you think Trump has made comments that have had the potential to incite violence ever? Serious question.
If you want to say media deserves blame I won’t disagree but I think it’s all over right and left neither is innocent. But calling out the media and not the President boggles my mind.
I just can’t understand how anyone would think the right-winged media is less guilty of these charges.
Foxnews shows digitally altered images of protests and photos from different times/locations than what they’e “reporting on”. Their coverage of these events has resulted in strained race relationships and incited more racial discourse than all CNN reporting combined (although I do admit CNN is biased).
Foxnews’ “coverage” of the COVID pandemic has led to deniers, folks not wearing masks, folks not believing science, and violent confrontations. If they had covered this responsibly from the beginning, the death rate would certainly be lower.
There’s a WORLD of difference between “could” and “did”.
That’s the core of the white supremacist menace narrative, in fact. I’m sure those unnamed groups are going to step out of the shadows any day now, retroactively justifying months of leftist riots.
I’ll hear you out though. Let’s hear the case for “same stuff on both sides.”
This could possibly be proved, but so could @twojarslave claim of significantly less fact free narratives from the right wing media.
I don’t think either of you can do it though. I wouldn’t claim it is what I am saying, unless you want to try to prove it.
@H_factor don’t let him shift the burden of proof to you. He made the claim that there are significantly less fact free narratives from the right wing media. He still hasn’t presented evidence that would support his conclusion.
Why should you have to prove his claim wrong, when he made the claim that he hasn’t supported.
And what is the damage toll up to? How many businesses have been looted by conservatives and Fox News viewers, by your best calculation?
Deaths, injuries, etc. How would you best explain the damage done by Fox News?
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This is subjective. For any right wing piece of violence I could attribute to Fox or the media it could be dismissed as “ that’s not the reason the person/people did it.”
Hell we’ve done this before and for every call for violence Trump has made his fans have either dismissed it or said well that’s not why “x” happened.
The entire argument is subjective.
Has any American leader in the last 6 years called for more violence than Trump? Maybe they have and I’m not aware?
Holy smokes how irreconcilable we are. It’s like two entirely different peoples forced to continue under the same flag (that’ll eventually be replaced due to its history of colonization and white supremacy). Man we identify who the agitators are so differently.
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Let’s hear you make the connection.
I’m not as swayed by acute property damage, but to what I consider to be larger societal issues. In my view, by Fox allowing voices for:
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Obama is a Muslim, he is not US-born narrative. This does a huge amount of damage to people of color and race relations. For many of them, it reinforces how society sees them, and puts a ceiling on what they believe they can accomplish. Just because you can’t say “how many storefronts were damaged by this narrative?” doesn’t mean it’s not more damaging than the value of a flat screen TV.
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Anti-science. The scientific literacy of our country as a whole is not very high, and by being a sounding board for climate change-deniers and those that resist basic precautions to slow the spread of a virus Fox is doing its best to exploit that.
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I live in a big, urban CA city that has had many BLM protests. Many, many of my students and others I know have attended them. Fox news has used digitally altered photos, those taken from other locations/times, and other manipulations to point this “scary” picture of Black people and those that stand by them. We hear “Don’t elect Biden because only Trump will stand up to these rioters”, but in fact Trump and Fox news rhetoric has created a culture where protesting is required. Remove Trump, and watch the protests subside.
I agree. Just as I don’t find any of the points that twojarslave makes compelling, I’m sure what bothers me and drives me to seek change is not high on his list.
You shouldn’t as they don’t support his claim.
You are positively scary. But you live in the Bay Area, so I’m not excessively surprised.
The lessons of history has taught us appeasement is a short term, band aid solution. I’m sure it’s different this time though.
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How so? I’m not saying it is helpful or good rhetoric, but can you explain how anyone, anywhere was seriously harmed by this?
This is a common narrative, but can you explain the harm brought into the world by this?
Can you back this up with a clear example?
Can you explain the harm brought into the world by this deception?
Nice country you have there. It would be a shame if something happened to it.
#BidenHarris
Democrats have never been concerned with the outcomes left in the wake of their policies and rhetoric. It can all be explained away by pushing narratives of racism and Republicans somehow preventing generations of Democrats from improving the lives of poor people.
What’s a few dozen riots anyway? Good riddance to all of the police retiring early in jurisdictions where they are needed the most. We can just “re-imagine “ policing when no decent candidates want to be police.
The con has been working for generations. Now that people are waking up the hand must get heavier. Luckily your neighbors working in our budding Ministry of Truth have a solution.
Friends in NYC already telling me stories about police “lack of interest” in policing.
You know, the NYC led by that right wing mayor DeBlasio.
Prediction: cloudy with a chance of fire.
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Also my current map prediction (because why not document my own stupidity in picture form) I think Trump wins by 300-329.
I also think a terrible night for Trump has Biden in the same range.
Edit: to add some reasoning, I think the GOP have advantages in Ohio and Florida (both states have gone red twice in two cycles) and PA, MN and WI could go for Trump due to the riots and the Biden comments on fossil fuels.
I don’t believe AZ will go blue after having a comfortably elected a GOP governor two years ago.
Nevada is a wild stab in the dark, and Texas going blue would be a shock when Cornyn is polling so well, it just doesn’t compute to me.
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Interesting. I did a quick google of Cornyn and found headlines calling it as a very close race.
Otoh, polls on Biden/Trump are saying Trump voters might as well not bother…
He’s up 7.5 on average. How much any of us can trust polls at this point is a separate question.
It could very well be neck and neck on their internals for all I know.
I know for sure I’m not paying attention to national polls again. That was fool’s gold last time.
Edit: To elaborate, Trump could well lose the national vote by 5% due to just New York and California. Between LA county and King’s county NYC, Clinton had something like 2-3 million votes more than Trump, and you can only win NY and CA once.
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Maine will give at least one vote to Trump. Maybe more. How do I know this?
#fuckmills has been trending on local bumper stickers for months. The Biden sign wavers at the bottom of the hill only showed up a few times but the Trump sign wavers have been at it for months now, two or three days a week even. The guys out on the floor agree.