That’s the problem with engaging pat in these discussions: he simply doesn’t understand what some of these words mean. A scandal is not “raising taxes” or a foreign policy you don’t agree with. A scandal is having eight associates convicted of a crime while you are in office.
Not sure “no dog” is a scandal, but here ya go.
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Wishing me a job in Washington? Now I KNOW you don’t like me! Please, lock me in a trunk and push the car off a cliff instead!
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No that was my indication of draconian measures that can embolden a leader who is against free speech to take it. I wasn’t comparing, I was framing.
But you said they weren’t a high priority for you, that you didn’t care that much about them one way or another. I was addressing your priority. I am digging deep into your psyche, through a keyboard on T-Nation. Again, you can have a stance on an issue you don’t give two shits about.
I am not addressing your stance, I agree with your stance. I am addressing the priority you put on it.
I don’t really know what ‘acts like an adult’ means anymore. I have seen a metric-shit-ton of adults act in ways that make 2 years olds have to stop and take notes. Is walking around the town spitting on people and calling them nazi’s adult? Is bailing rioters out of jail adult?
Everything you talk about has to do with appearance. Well, I can make a car look like a Ferarri 250 GTO, but it has no substance.
You seem to care a lot about appearance, I just don’t understand why? I have seen other parliaments in other countries get into bench-clearing brawls, yet nobody seems to have lost respect for them.
What appearance should somebody give, that would allow you to look past that and actually care about what they are doing. What’s the approved look? Obama had a good look… scratch that great look, even I could admit that. But his policies were an absolute disaster. He got us into more conflicts, not less. He stoked race-relations to a fever pitch, repercussions we are only now getting the full brunt of, but damn it he looked good doing it.
Uh, politics flows down stream from culture, not the other way around. And if people lose faith in institutions, it’s the fault of those institutions. He called those institutions out, that’s a good thing. When he said the ‘Military industrial complex’ is just there in Syria to ‘protect the oil’, that was a good thing. We need to know what our government is doing so we don’t have to rely on the likes of Assange to tell us.
What international relationship is worse because of optics? We have 4 new peace agreements, more equitable trade agreements and other countries contributing to their own security more than ever before.
Really, and you think it’s the president’s job to control culture? And when you have the biggest economy and the biggest baddest military in the world, everybody else respects you by default. If he’s so disrespected, how did he sign 4 large peace deals in the ME? A policy Biden’s own cabinet is actually advising to keep? How do you do that with no respect?
He got things done nobody else seemed to manage to do. Why, if he is so bad, could he do those things with tremendous international support. Who doesn’t respect us? And why should we care what they think? Things are getting done. The ME is more stable now, than it has been the last 50 years. It’s still a powder keg, but Israel is now a recognized country among at least some of it’s neighbors, for the first time in history since Babylon. The MSM certainly down played the accomplishments. But if they were so easy and meaningless, why could anybody else have done it? All this garbage that ‘this was an unspoken agreement anyway and they just certified it’, is crap. Being able to openly trade with Israel is magnitudes greater than secretly.
You attribute to him way more power than he actually has. Go look at the ‘Overton window’. The center-right of the country has barely moved. The left of the country skewed far to the left. How is Trump responsible for that? He said some stupid shit on twitter and automatically the democratic party goes commie? No, that’s been a continuing trend since the '90’s. And if one chooses to freak out about his tweets, that’s their problem.
I don’t think he should be on twitter. But he is his own person and he also has the right to do what he wants within the confines of the law. I am not willing to throw out the baby with the bath water, just because he does ‘mean tweets’. The sending of and histrionic reaction are both childish. But people have the right to be childish.
Because you were referring to it and didn’t know what the hell you were talking about, so I helped you out.
All of which is unhinged conspiracy nonsense. Occam’s razor can’t save you here. We got 3 years of Russian collusion horseshit and it all turned out to be a lie. Complete and total debunking. And you expect me now, after that to be convinced by more conspiracy nonsense?
Bring receipts, bring facts, not far-left conspiracy theories.
Every President has the right to hire and fire his subordinates. Nothing new here. Most presidents clean house and bring in their own teams. This is nothing.
No. I heard the transcript and read it and he did nothing of the sort. Seeing as how Biden wasn’t even running at the time, he couldn’t have been digging up dirt on a political opponent because Biden wasn’t an opponent at that time.
So has every other president. The U.S. is in bed with Saudi Arabia that’s unfortunate but hardly a Trump creation.
He didn’t ‘misappropriate money’ he was well within the law and I like that wall. I only wish it was taller, deeper, wider and longer.
Ivanka is not president, but if you want to talk about using the power of the office to make money, the Biden Scandal is a huge pay-to-play scam that is actually illegal, where he actually recieved foreign money from an adversarial government for personal gain, so there’s that.
This may be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Yeah, I saw the video of the guy in the red hat stealing a mail truck. Forget the fact that the truck was broke down and was taken to a repair shop.
Tell you what, provide evidence that this even remotely happened.
Mmmmhm. One name: Tara Reade
Who is squashing her very valid claim?
The stupidity continues. Every elected person has access to government property and they all use it to host their events. Their campaigns do pay for it though.
This is all so petty. ‘Ivanka farted and blamed it one someone else!’ Gasp! Yall really ought to not use tabloids for your news. And quit plagiarizing Rachael Maddow, I am sure she would like credit for her unhinged conspiracy nonsense.
So the break-down seems to be, the most scandalous president to ever sit, hasn’t actually engaged in any scandals. And everything you base you existence on is unhinged, mostly debunk left-wing conspiracy theory. I mean, you just quoted a Brian Stelter segment on CNN verbatim like it has any validity outside your own head. Yall may need those tin-foil hats after all.
I often source my claims when I am making a claim. The reason? So you don’t have to take my word for it. I don’t have a word for the loathsome nonsense I just bothered to read and comment on, I need my Douglas Murray thesaurus to find an ample
What a douchebag.
Watch out Aragorn.
Pat - you’re digging deep alright. You’re at least two knuckles deep up your own arse.
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@pat is simply living a different reality than the rest of us. Really, guys, there is no use to debate him. He literally thinks Trump is doing normal things, and has a track record of doing normal things. It’s the MSM that is full of lies and painting him in a different light.
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You haven’t even tried. I got a list of somebody posted from Brian Steltar’s “Reliable Sources” show full of unhinged conspiracy non-sense. Meddling with the U.S. Mail? Really, that’s the kind of crap you want me to pay attention to? Without a shred of any evidence whatsoever?
I want a scandal or a list of scandals that the most scandalous president in history is guilty of. And I now want receipts. I want a scandal with evidence of that scandal, so that you could at least legitimately call him scandalous.
And don’t tell me it’s mentally exhausting when you haven’t even lifted a finger. So lift a finger…
The whole Country seems to be divided into different realities.
One commentator recently called it “Earth 1” and “Earth 2”…
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You really want to let that statement leave your keyboard, @pat…as some kind of defense for of all people Donald J. Trump?
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Ok. It didn’t sound like it to me but my mistake.
You are nowhere near my psyche dude. You are misreading my responses. And later, whether that’s days or weeks or months from now, you’re going to reply to me in some other topic about what I allegedly think based on you misreading me.
You asked me about the rioters’ violence in comparison to the importance of fundamental rights like free speech. You did NOT ASK about my level of concern for the political responses to said violence.
Did. Not. Ask.
I deliberately mentioned in my original reply that the political response (read: no response/ignoring it) to the violence concerned more than the actual violence of a handful of loons. I knew you would try to do this.
I think you know what I intended to convey.
Any single one of the presidents from 1-44. You don’t get it. CHARACTER is not “appearance”.
It is not a one way road and it never has been throughout history. It feeds both ways, and there are a multitude of examples going back to the Roman Empire.
Pretty much all of ours. All of our allies, since they have ambassadors literally telling them “we have no fucking clue what Trump will do”. We have professional men and women in the diplomatic corps trying to hold relationships together in the background while Trump goes off.
“Control”? You are being deliberately obtuse. Leaders drive culture. They may not control it outright at the national level since the POTUS does not have the same level of control as a CEO with his company, but they can change, direct, and evolve or devolve it. Shit, this is talked about in literally HUNDREDS of business books. And history books. And leadership books. And Political books.
No they don’t, not by default. You are not referring to respect here.
We should care what they think because it is the way we stay on top decades from now and ensure that CCP, Russia, and other adversaries do not gain more headway. And before you say “so we should agree with them all” caring is not agreeing.
Oh really? Is that the case? Well then it goes EXACTLY THE SAME for Biden and his cabinet. You don’t get it both ways.
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It’d take much more than pat’s got to dig anywhere close to my psyche. Digging into my psyche would imply he understood at the very least what I was saying lol
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Yeah, I really want evidence of this scandalous behavior. Not conjecture, presumption or supposition. A scandal with evidence. How in the hell is that controversial in the least?
Absolutely false, I specifically asked about your level of concern. I prioritized your level of concern, I was excruciatingly specific about that.
No, actually it is a one way road. The distance between them may get greater or farther, but the trend is always the same. Poe-litks (to quote Cardi B) follows from culture, unless the culture is dictated by the government as in our friendly communist havens.
There’s no evidence of this. He’s been nominated 4 times for the Nobel Peace Prize by foreign dignitaries, allies.
What the hell country do you live in? They don’t drive shit, they are the result of. We deserve every leader we get. The president isn’t a monarch, his word doesn’t mean ‘go’. It was specifically designed this way.
So it has nothing to do with pallets of cash and hellfire missiles? You think we’d have the same influence if we had the capitol and might of Poland?
And when did I say any different?
This is happening and it’s only getting worse.
Please read what I am typing. You asked me how I felt about violent rioters on the scale of large problems in this country. I responded to that directly. If you wanted to know my level of concern for the political responses, you should have asked me about that instead. I even even out of my way to say “the political responses bother more”.
Also, instead of asking a follow-up question about how that response fit in, you assumed what you wanted to assume.
Well, dunno what to tell you. A few thousand years of history says you’re not correct.
What on earth are you talking about? Leaders lead. I specifically said they don’t “control” culture but they do influence it. Use influence if you like it better than “drive”, same thing. Leaders create effects through their actions, BEHAVIOR, and words. If they didn’t, they’d be called victims or observers.
No, you don’t - you’re PWI’s least credible purveyor of information. And straight to the point - I have zero interest in what you have to say. Thanks anyway.
It’s beyond funny, it’s pitiful at this point. Above he said Trump has been involved in zero scandals. Zero.
It’s an alternate reality.
But then again, so is
“Obamagate is the biggest scandal ever!”
“Hunter’s laptop will change this election!”
“Massive fraud has been committed in the election!”
“The NY Post can and should sue Twitter!”
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