As mentioned by @ins Dominion machines seem to be a biggest issue yet. What do you think about those claims? Did you think Sydnee Powell is a crazy Trump supporter or a credible lawyer? (Serious question I don’t know anything about her)
This is literally no different than me saying Fox or Breitbart.
The thing with this is claims doesn’t equal evidence. Has any evidence been presented that shows the Dominion machines systematically switched Trump votes to Biden votes.
According to Sydnee Powell, yes. Again, maybe you think she has no credibility, but I’m not sure she would risk her reputation on a conspiracy theory.
This is a claim, not evidence. She may or may not have credibility, but with something of this magnitude, credibility isn’t enough to believe the claim (there needs to be evidence).
I don’t think this does enough to ensure her claim is true. Plenty of “credible” people have made false claims (intentionally or unintentionally).
For Trump’s claims, we need evidence that involves paperwork. We would need to see that recounted ballots don’t equal the original count, ballots that don’t have a living person attached to them, stuff like that. So far that hasn’t been produced. What has been produced are claims. The appropriate thing to do with claims of this magnitude is to dismiss them until they are supported (Hitchen’s Razor).
Nope, absolutely not. In fact the lawyers have specifically clarified they are not alleging fraud.
No. Trump alleged fraud before the election even started. He came in saying it was rigged and now is desperately seeking evidence. He’s seeking evidence not across the nation. He’s seeking evidence in states he lost that were close.
Well he’s about 1-28 so far in lawsuits. So maybe the evidence comes…well maybe the evidence comes at some point.
When Trumps own lawyers say they don’t have evidence then not sure who has it?
His lawyers aren’t claiming fraud in court. Why wouldn’t they?
So far isn’t the only known fraud case a Republican voting for Trump? Have to admit I haven’t been following super close lately.
It’s unfortunately too close to the truth. Because they are getting their wish. It’s like the Onion went from satire to scooping the press by writing articles before the thing actually happens. Here goes another round of unconstitutional lock-downs:
Fortunately, some people are starting to fight back:
This woman needs to be run out off office and into prison. She’s a full on despotic maniac.
In reverse order from your next post: No, AP and Reuters are not analogous to Fox and Breitbart. If you had said CNN and The Daily Beast I’d have mostly agreed with you. AP and Reuters pretty much just report what’s going on without much of any spin or opinion formulation.
Fox, despite people denigrating it, actually has a lot of factual news, you just have to avoid Hannity and the other talking heads…same as CNN. If you’re gathering your news from Breitbart you’re a moron, again, the same can be said for those getting their “news” from far left websites.
Dominion: Simple. There’s no evidence that there was any problem with the system. None. Zero. Here’s a statement from Trump’s own DHS: Joint Statement from Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council & the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Executive Committees | CISA
But, if some legitimate evidence appears and Dominion can be taken to task in a court of law then I hope it happens! So far there’s been nothing.
As to your third point, I don’t know who Sydnee Powell is either but I did read your responses to mnben87 which are incredibly naive.
you wrote: According to Sydnee Powell, yes. Again, maybe you think she has no credibility, but I’m not sure she would risk her reputation on a conspiracy theory.
Are you serious? There are all sorts of people out there on both sides of the political spectrum who will not only risk their reputation on conspiracy theories, but plant their flag on them. Why? Because people like you, Qanon supporters, and Antifa idiots will eat it up. There’s a lot of financial gain there for the taking in fleecing rubes.
Just ignore the evidence right before your eyes:
This is unprecedented. I already thought it absurd that we found 3 counties with uncounted votes, now there is 4. 1 can be a mistake, 2 raises eyebrows, 3 something is definately wrong with this picture, now 4? 4 counties of missing ballots favoring Trump get discovered? This is systemic. The 3 counties of found ballots already narrowed the margins between Trump and Biden by 10%. I’ll say it again 10%! There are 159 counties in GA. We are 4 for 4. Everywhere that has been checked, missing ballots found, over and over again. So yeah, there is something to see here. There is definitely something fishy going on here.
On a side note, an acquaintance of mine works as a developer in an overseas office of Dominion Voting.
He told me that he woke up a few days ago only to find his LinkedIn and Facebook flooded with death threats. Apparently, someone in the Trump world tweeted about the overseas office and now junior developers five thousand miles away are on the receiving end of insults and threats from Trump loyalists.
Pat:
- Are ONLY 4 counties finished with their recount?
- Did the recount from Douglas county reduce Biden’s lead?
Spoiler alert: You aren’t 4 for 4. You aren’t even close.
You at least deserve credit for posting a legit link, but you’re still underinformed. In any event, there’s not enough here to overturn the results for Trump and we’re talking about human error here which occurs anytime humans are involved in elections, which is every single one. So no, this is not unprecedented. It happens in every election but most candidates aren’t big enough assholes to demand a recount when the statistically likely error isn’t enough to warrant it.
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But aren’t these republican counties? Wasn’t the earlier argument that Democratic counties/cities were the ones that were at best incompetent and at worst part of a purposeful plan to selectively count votes? What do you suspect happened here?
I you a long and concise defence of Trump already. I have put in effort into his defence with facts to back it up. Which is why no one challenged them.
What have you done other than state your feelings? You’re less of a Trump “supporter” than I am. Hypocrite.
Facts don’t care about your feelings.
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Why are you exaggerating the findings, @pat?
These ballots contained both Biden and Trump Votes. The only reason one could say the recount is “favoring” Trump is that it decreased Biden’s lead, NOT put Trump in the lead!
This all is maddening. In the end; more people in Georgia voted for Biden than Trump, and by a margin that by any reasonable measure was decisive and irrefutable.
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It is not…not even close.
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Exactly
The lead Trump lawyers are alleging fraud. Giuliani, Powell and Ellis are the lawyers in charge of all this and all three claim fraud.
To be clear here, I have no idea if there was fraud on a scale large enough to change the election. I have my suspicions there is, but I’m just some guy on a weightlifting forum. Same as you guys.
We obviously get our news from different sources, with huge bias on both sides, so whose to say who’s right or wrong at this point? The Only “proof” any of us can give us links to our preferred news outlets, which again, are biased. All I’m doing is waiting to see what shakes out of all this. If the lawsuits, fraud claims, irregularities and proof the Trump team claims to have leads to nothing then Biden wins. But I don’t think Trump should concede the election just because the msm says Biden won.
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I’d like to see this. Mrs Powell is talking about millions of votes being changed/fabricated via voting software. Its getting interesting. Even if Biden is inaugurated, I want them to see this thing through. Otherwise it leaves too many questions out there unanswered.
The biggest one for me, how the hell did Joe Biden get 10 million more votes than Barak Obama?
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Why is that even a question?