Yeah. I’m just not sure anyone can compare what Obama has actually said vs what Trump has actually said. I mean a lot of Trump’s comments are pretty cut and dry.
Though if someone wants to do so anything can be defended, deflected, etc. I’m fully aware of that.
Trump is not going anywhere.
My feeling is that what we are seeing from Joe Biden now will be what he will be forced to do throughout his Presidency…plow through the work that has to be done while dealing with a relentless assault from Trump and his followers.
And the GOP will continue to move in lock-step with whatever the man tweets, President or not.
(Any one want to put any bets on a revival of the “The Tea Party-Trump Edition”…and protest on the Mall?).
I also hope nobody ever ask the question again about how Trump has been hurting our Democracy. Just ask the World…
I’d like to think the GOP would distance more when it’s official Biden is in but I also thought they would distance already and I couldn’t be more wrong. I mean at this point it’s all but obvious that pretty much none of the legal things seem to be going anywhere. Each new “have you seen this” piece of right wing paranoia has been knocked down. Judges aren’t even bothering to really listen to these weak arguments and recounts are historically never changing results like these. It’s denying reality but at the same time calling it out is potential political suicide. Gross but can’t blame people that haven’t had a spine for four years because they were scared of Trump to continue to not have one. Or a party that made their platform “whatever he wants” continuing to nod their heads.
Might have done pretty well on my election prediction map but couldn’t be more off about the response to a loss from the GOP for sure.
Surprised you haven’t made a Nikki Haley push to 2024 thread!
I don’t think that she would either “fit” in the Trumpublican Party…or would appeal that much to the Trumpublican base.
While it is unlikely…I would like to see her in some position in Biden’s administration.
You assume Twitter won’t ban him.
Based on what I said, my estimate of Orange zealots comes out to just under 15% of people that actually cared enough to vote for either candidate. The overall eligible voting population is higher than that (I’m not looking it up). If you ever get more than 85% of a mob to be “satisfied”, you’re doing pretty good. Certainly enough to keep the rabble from “burning down a local town hall”; unless they’re “progressives” of course…
Maybe your standards are higher than mine.
I think your numbers are probably about right but 15% is a significant number. Most college students don’t have blue or green hair but the blue hairs have a lot of influence on campuses.
I mean maybe but I think the dirty secret is Twitter loves it. I mean they needed a “response” which is flagging the obvious bullshit stuff. Which sadly is damn near everything now. But being the favorite communication device of someone like Trump is pretty huge. Twitter’s in no hurry to get rid of him and I don’t buy any of this “they are at war with him” in the least bit. They get to play both sides. “Look what we are doing to combat misinformation”while also being the spot that people go to find it from him.
Pretty much the perfect setup. I can’t imagine right now they think a huge benefit exists to having him use a different social media platform.
Good post. Agreed. Like any good business, they know how to navigate the fine line between racking up/not losing usage/users and virtue signalling.
Well the second paragraph of the vox article talks about Trump not denouncing white supremacy.
Sigh…
However, I misspoke a little by saying violence in the name of Trump. Trump is not responsible for some crackpot committing violence because “Trump told me too”, just like I don’t think Bernie Sanders is responsible for the Republican ball game shooting.
What I meant was, are there times whenTrump said to cause violence directly?
Maxine Waters comes to mind telling people to find cabinet members and get in their face, don’t allow them in restaurants, etc.
It says at the very beginning he sometimes denounces the violence or walks back his comments before returning. It’s also interesting that most of his denouncements come AFTER he says shit like good people on both sides.
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What I meant was, are there times whenTrump said to cause violence directly?
Did you actually read the article or are you really going to make me copy and paste out of it for you? Hint: the answer to your question is yes.
Ok. Thought you might have a bit more than that since you mentioned Democrat leaders as if a ton of them have done it. However get in their face seems a bit tame compared to what Trump has called for? I mean he’s telling people he will pay for them if they get in trouble for hurting someone.
I’m not saying Dems have nothing to apologize for but you act like you’re unaware of Trump’s rhetoric or something.
You can compare the way Biden spoke about it to how Trump has historically and let me know which way you think is best:
Joe:
“I’m going to be very clear about all of this,” the former Vice-President said, in a speech in Pittsburgh. “Rioting is not protesting. Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting. None of this is protesting. It’s lawlessness. Plain and simple. And those who do it should be prosecuted. Violence will not bring change.”
Trump:
“These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you!”
Dusting of that old gem, huh? I thought you were better than that dude.
Yes I read the article. And the reason I pointed out how they said Trump hasn’t denounced white supremacy and then linked a video where he actually did, multiple times, is to show that vox is full of shit. If they lie in paragraph 2, why should I believe anything else in the article?
Andrew Cuomo said if he wasn’t governor he’d “deck Trump”.
Joe Biden said if they were in high school he’d beat the he’ll out of Trump.
And it’s not only politicians, it’s liberal democrats in general that promote violence.
Deniro saying he’d beat the fuck out of Trump.
Kathy Griffin holding Trump’s severed head.
When Trump got Covid how many people on social media wished him dead?
Liberal democrats across the country rioting, looting, shooting Trump supporters.
People on this very forum who are just miserable and hateful towards Trump and his supporters.
Democrats calling ALL police officers racist.
Saying nothing when they get ambushed and shot.
AOC and others calling for a Trump supporter blacklist for Christ’s sake.
The list goes on brother. Spin it all you want, you’ve got a way with words that I don’t have.
But facts are facts, and the fact is Trump supporters aren’t doing and of the things I listed above.
Yes he said this, after basically blaming the police for shooting yet another innocent black man, and ONLY after the msm pointed out that the democrats acting like the riots weren’t happening was hurting them. Then he decided to denounce the riots.
Yes. This is called law and order. Putting down riots before the whole community is destroyed. As opposed to the democratic mayors ordering their police to stand down, and for the rioters who were arrested, the democratic prosecutors releasing them.
I know you want really bad for this to mean Trump wants to shoot all the rioters, but sorry, if you take it in context he meant the looters will be doing the shooting. But you won’t keep it in context, proof being the “good people on both sides” doozy up above.
Oh come on now. Trump has said this himself. Biggest difference is Trump is also asking his supporters to do it and saying he will pay their fines. Big agreement those comments are stupid though.
Really? Some shitty comedian is evidence of this? How high of a Democratic leader is Kathy Griffin? Do we need to dig up the Obama era stuff? Let’s not throw washed up comedians trying to get attention as evidence here.
I think people are calling out double standards and insanity. For instance I don’t really care if people want to say Biden’s off his rocker. He’s probably headed that way since he’s older than dirt. But again compared to Trump? Looks like a brain surgeon. Just as many people on here who have been Trump supporters and called out criticisms of him as TDS or some other throwaway line.
The biggest difference right now is some of those people aren’t engaging much as what Trump is currently doing isn’t worthy of defending.
You seem very convinced this is the case. Just like when people on here defended the white power tweet as “oh come on now Trump didn’t hear that part.”
I have no evidence that you’re incorrect but I don’t think you have evidence you’re correct. Either way it’s yet another example of a President failing to consider the importance of his speech. Ultimately that’s why he lost.
And no I don’t want it to mean anything. It’s a foolish comment at best during a time when people needed something other than foolish comments.
Arizona continues to tighten. No idea how many votes left to count.
I’ve ranted a lot about how the media has spinned shit about Trump but this is how he gives them an excuse to do so.
This is NOT how the President of a country should speak unless it’s a shithole authoritarian country. That’s the point. When the media calls him “fascist”, which is plain bullshit, of course, this is how they manage to do it without people on the other side questioning their integrity.
The President of China wouldn’t even speak like this today, I can assure this. He’d at least get one of his lackeys to dispense the threats, and the threats would be specific and detailed to show they mean it. They moved their tanks into the State right beside Hong Kong at the height of the protests to make their point.
What Trump said was something the idiots during the pre-Tiananmen Incident would say. That’s why the Incident happened in the first place. People didn’t take them seriously. It’s like telling people how big your dick is. Who gives a fuck?
BUT when China says something, they mean it so the massacre happened. The point is it could have been PREVENTED if they had handled the situation differently like the way I described above. And to prevent further incidents due to their inadequacy, they started limiting more and more freedoms even though China was slowly liberalizing prior to that.
Back to Trump, this comes off as an empty threat without any substance to it. And you did see for yourself that NO ONE took it seriously. Instead, they just used it against him by further playing the victim card since he’s bringing up the military as a display of power.
These idiots aren’t PRESIDENT OF THE USA , 2 are actual leaders and no one in his right mind on either side takes AOC seriously.
Democrat leaders QUESTIONING whether there is systemic racism amongst cops in that particular district or whatever and insisting the matter must be fully investigated is the right thing to do even if some of them were obviously using certain rhetoric and hyperbole for virtue signalling.
If you can accept Trump says stupid shit but think his overall policies are good so you’re cool with him, you should be able to accept that Dems can say stupid shit even though you don’t agree with their policies. And some of them did say some disgusting shit. And some of them, I assume, are good people(sarcasm. There are no good politicians. Just couldn’t resist making the Trump reference lol).
BUT this is also how you get to have a country where cops don’t fuck with you like they do in shithole countries.
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I mean, look at this. It’s like pasting a sign that says, “Kick me” on your rear end and walking around a Journalist school or whatever they call them and then wondering why you keep getting your ass kicked by journalists.
I looked up the entire quote and it’s exactly what is written here. How on earth can anyone manage to construe this as “the looters will be doing the shooting?” It could mean both sides will be exchanging shots but it certainly can’t be only the looters shooting, unless I’m misunderstanding what YOU’RE saying.
“These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way . Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts . Thank you!”
Seriously, I’ve broken down even the dumbest shit Trump has ever said and was able to make sense of it and back it up with references but this isn’t something I can do the same for no matter how hard I try.
It’s very simple when you take it at face value. He plans to deploy the military to maintain order so things don’t get out of hand. However, if people start looting, they will not hesitate to engage with deadly force.
Even if he didn’t mean it:
Trump sought to clarify his comments Friday afternoon again on Twitter: “Looting leads to shooting, and that’s why a man was shot and killed in Minneapolis on Wednesday night - or look at what just happened in Louisville with 7 people shot. I don’t want this to happen, and that’s what the expression put out last night means. It was spoken as a fact, not as a statement. It’s very simple, nobody should have any problem with this other than the haters, and those looking to cause trouble on social media. Honor the memory of George Floyd!”
“I’ve heard that phrase for a long time. I don’t know where it came from or where it originated,” Trump said. “Frankly, it means when there’s looting, people get shot and they die. And if you look at what happened last night and the night before, you see that, it’s very common. And that’s the way that’s meant.”
There’s still no way the original statement alone can be construed any other way, and his clarification of his statement still doesn’t change the way it can be interpreted by any reasonable person,
And what would you expect the military to do in a situation where people start looting and shooting? Standback and standby(lol)?
No matter how many articles, videos, papers, and experiments one looks at, cognitive dissonance is always going to be as counter-intuitive as quantum mechanics. I share your inability to understand these contortions to explain the inexplicable, to defend the indefensible, but you better get used to it, because that’s the world now.
I’ve defended the seemingly indefensible shit Trump’s said many posts above right in this thread. But this one is way beyond my abilities. You need someone with mystical powers like Steve Jobs to create an uber reality distortion field for this one.