I tried hcg and I felt off w it. Like moody and irritable.
I only take preg now.
Oh yeah regards visiting england. Dont expect much lol. But dont hide the fact your American, we love you guys.
The country is a scabby run down over populated shit hole though so unless you have a major interest in history id give it a pass lol.
Oh and bring a stab vest, especially if your thinking of visiting london lol. National pride is dead as is the sense of british decency.
How you guys portray us in the films is waaaaaaaaay off the mark lol.
And no im not no snobby rich dude with a castle who thinks anyone in trainers is a scruff and a threat to national security lol. Im from a farming community and then spent most of my younger adult years running in the “hood” so to speak. Im probably as down to earth and gritty as they come and i can say without question england is a shit hole best avoided lol
Initially, keeping the jewels intact were all I thought hCG was good for…then I started hearing that it could help a little with natural Testosterone production and possibly parent hormones as well…then I heard about side effects…then I heard their weren’t any…then I heard all men get sides…then I heard people get over the sides…and a few people have told me that they got no sides.
hCG seems like highly contested territory without much definition. Many people fear Leydig cell desensitization. A fairly well known TRT doc said there were no studies proving this and allegedly sat down with the guy who invented the stuff and they concurred that it didn’t desensitize Leydig cells. I won’t go injecting 1,000IU’s every day, but I’ll probably give it a shot and see if I can hang with it.
Good news, the “Made In America” brand has gotten some of my friends hell in some parts of Europe. They usually hide the fact that they’re from here which I personally find hilarious.
I actually love history, no joke…my uncle says you guys have bland food though. His words, not mine.
We’re allowed to have guns here 
I don’t have any Kevlar but I’ve been shot at
Maybe we’ll have another big war soon…it has always united us in the past.
I know, it’s awful isn’t it. Americans are dicks like that. It’s like if you guys thought we were all cowboys or something. I have friends from Birmingham, Newcastle, and Manchester. If it gives me any points, I once got in a fist fight with an Irishman who suffered multiple stabbings. He was from Northeastern Ireland and took a beating because he didn’t like the fact that my name is Sean and I’m part English.
I grew up in a Mexican barrio in Los Angeles in the 90’s. I could say the same. I actually think we’d probably get along lol. Oh shit, good times.
You make good sense here.
Did you have high SHBG when you started? I’m hoping mine drops. There are a lot of theoretical views on controlling SHBG but it seems no sure data. I’ve heard Boron and weekly Testosterone injections can help so I’ll give both a try. Whether this is purely anecdotal or not I’m unsure. I’ve heard conflicting views regarding both but it’s worth a try. Maybe it’ll come down just from being on Testosterone.
Ok, so I’m not crazy. Pregnenolone is fairly cheap when sold as a supplement here in the US. Brain fog and lack of interest in life was my initial reason for giving this the Preg or hCG a chance. I’ve been cloudy, could be me adjusting to the Testosterone, could be life factors.
I wish you guys the best. Liver enzymes out of whack aren’t good. I have Thalassemia Minor so my Iron always appears as always bizarrely low based on hematocrit and hemoglobin levels…but my actual iron is fine. My grandmother oddly had Hemochromatosis and had to much Iron. My Bilirubin count is always high for some reason.
Anyway dnok, you’ve been extremely informative. Thank you for the insight. How would I summon you if I had more questions dude? Your insight and knowledge is extremely valued.
You having problems with your ovaries @enackers ?? Lmao!!!
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… seriously though…low blow…f****** funny as hell though.
Well you try not to take the cheap shots, but sometimes they just beg for it lol.
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This is true sir. That was way too good…oh Estrogen jokes for days.
I have a feeling that I’ll probably end up eating my own words.
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Well if you do you can enjoy them with a side of bon bons and a gallon of ice cream!
Sorry…couldn’t resist the estrogen joke…you started it! lol
We sound to be cut from very similar cloth man 
I cannot give an honest answer to this. I was a steroid user for many years before trt. Only insight i can offer is that once i stopped been able to recover from cycling steroids (i mean over 2 years break, repeated pct’s, fertility tries, doctors visits which where completely useless, not just thinking i felt shit after 12 weeks natural off gear lol) my shbg was in a higher range but not out of range. During most of my self prescribed trt years i have shot once a week for convenience. Its only of the last 6 months or so maybe, maybe not even that, that ive done twice weekly subcutaneous shots.
My shbg is currently at 24nmol/l
The more my estro comes down from the hcg assault the better and better i feel. Today is a very good day. Like, hulk smash kinda day lol.
My testosterone numbers are awesome though.
33nmol/l is 952ng/dl. Not bad from 100mg a week test e lol.
No man your not crazy. Your pregnenolone levels drop as you age anyway but trt wipes it out. Ive seen figures as high as 80% decrease used, although i didnt think it would do it so quickly. I certainly didnt feel anything out of the ordinary for a long time. Perhaps a fluke or down to other factors, who knows.
If you are pregnenolone deficient you will know very quickly after starting direct supplementation. Days. I swear on my life i felt it within the first two days. If you took pregnenolone and didnt feel something real quick id say you either dont need it or need another supply.
Thank you kindly. Her iron level where within an acceptable range, its just her tibc that was high. Theres a belief that normal iron serum and high tibc is a sign that you are not getting enough iron and your body is raising tibc to use every possible bit of iron it can find to keep serum levels up. Hence our addition of more supplemental iron. Her cholesterol was slightly increased but again this is seen as the body trying to increase hormone production to rectify her imbalance. As i mentioned her free androgen index is very low because of her high (out of range high) shbg. I would also imagine this is binding up estrogen although free estrogen is not a test i seem to be able to find. It would make sense as she has hot flashes and night sweats etc as if she is menapausal even though she is 27 and still having pretty regular periods.
Thanks, if you ever want my input do it in an open thread and tag me in it. Im always happy to offer any help or insight but would prefer it done openly so i may be corrected if needed. I can only offer insights from the struggles myself and my wife have faced and thus the last 7 years or trying to self educate and of course experimentation. Im happy to help wherever i can but there are many here with knowledge well beyond my own and as such i would hope they would correct anything i may say that is unintentionally misleading.
Plausible deniability . Shit that was quick turnaround.
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Your Free Testosterone numbers are great. From what I’ve gathered so far free T is the best kind of T. My last bit of lab work was done on peak plasma day on 100mgs Testosterone Cypionate injected about 30-40 hours prior. These are my peak labs at my peak from early this month:
Testosterone Free with SHBG
Testosterone, Serum (Total) 1161ng/dL
% Free Testosterone 1.8%
Free Testosterone, S 209pg/mL
Sex Hormone Binding Globulin 57.6nmol/L
Estradiol
Estradiol 16.1 (7.6-42.6 pg/mL)
PSA Total (Reflex To Free)
Prostate Specific Ag, Serum 0.8 (0.0-4.0 ng/mL)
CBC with Differential/Platelet
WBC 6.5 (3.4-10.8 x10E3/uL)
RBC 5.76 (4.14-5.80 x10E6/uL)
Hemoglobin 12.0 (13.0-17.7) g/dL
Hematocrit 38.4 (37.5-51.0 %)
MCV 67 (79-97 fL)
MCH 20.8 (26.6-33.0 pg)
MCHC 31.3 (31.5-35.7 g/dL)
RDW 17.9 (12.3-15.4 %)
Platelets 289 (150-379 x10E3/uL)
Iron and TIBC
Iron Bind.Cap.(TIBC) 293 (250-450 ug/dL)
UIBC 223 (111-343 ug/dL)
Iron 70 (38-169 ug/dL)
Iron Saturation 24 (15-55 %)
So, I’ve always been anemic, so has my mother, so has my son, and so was my brother. The doctors say we have Thalassemia but I’ve never done a genetic test to know for certain. My bloodwork almost always looks something like the above in regards to iron.
I had considered running gear about 7 years ago for local fight competitions in Nashville but I was always concerned about not having my T rebound from cycling so I stayed natural. Jokes on me there…if I’d known I’d of ended up on exogenous T anyway I would have probably reconsidered. Funny how life hits us with bats sometimes.
Anyway, I think I’m still adjusting to TRT at 2 months in. My dose has changed 3 times since starting out at 100mgs every 2 weeks per my moronic Nurse Practitioner. I’ve had my head on backwards and need to either wait for my dose to settle or try to run Pregnenolone.
At this point I don’t know how guys ran gear off and on throughout their lives. T alone has given me a rough ride…then again, I’m 40 years old now and I’m feeling it.
My first month, my blood pressure shot through the roof as we went to 50mgs weekly to 100mgs weekly and I changed my dose to 75mgs weekly after seeing my peak plasma T blood levels were they were at. My BP is finally settling down after injection days.
I’ve had other weird symptoms until 2 weeks ago like not having enough energy at the gym to finish a workout which has never happened before. Honestly I usually feel like spending the entire day at the gym and I would if overtraining didn’t exist and I didn’t have my boy to look after. So running out of Steam after kicking the heavy bag for a ten minute warm up, felt devastating. Haven’t been to the gym since then.
The weirdest part brother, is that I’m balding on f**** shins and one side my calf on both legs.** Can’t find anything regarding that and TRT…so I’m kind of wondering what the hell is going on. Any hints? Have you ever seen this?
You and your lady will be alright. You’ve only given a glimpse of your situation, but I have a feeling things will work out for her health. You guys have probably been through a lot already.
Also I respect your position on answering questions publically on this forum. I kind of wish doctors were on this forum so they could study us and learn.
@dnok
…for that matter, has anyone heard of a guy balding on his lower shins after starting TRT? Anyone? I can’t find a thing on the internet.
When I started hrt many, many years ago, the doc only wanted to RX hcg for low T if in reproductive years (that changed). I started 500 IU twice a week week and my Total T went from mid 438 to 836.
We decided that it was ok to increase to 750 IU twice per week and total T dropped to 716.
I don’t hear of any side effects from the HCG unless you are attempting to use for weight loss. In this case the side effects are associated with poor electrolyte management.
One point with HCG. It causes rapid increases in testosterone that will metabolize quickly. If you are sensitive to estradiol (prostate) this should be managed carefully if you like to urinate.
Absolutely. The typical routine is start test, feel good, do things you should not such as box jumps that are simply out of your reach and you loose a layer of skin in addition to the hair…
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Bro haha… ofcourse I’m converting to a female thus TRT. It’s the new thing to do…
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Glad you stepped in episodic. It’s not hCG, I haven’t started hCG. It’s Testosterone that’s causing my shins to bald. It started as very shortly after I got on Testosterone. I know this is usually a sign of E2 increasing but my E2 16.1pg/dL so I think I can rule it out. Any other hormonal imbalances that could have been set off by starting T alone. Could T be responsible?
@episodic
Bwahahaha… noice
Ok, I’m glad you mentioned this. You are the first I am aware of beyond textbook.
Atlas of Endocrinology for Hormone Therapy; Hertoghe, pg 293.
This is evidence of testosterone DEFICIENCY in aging males. The photo is of the lower half of the right leg and it’s labled
Leg hair loss (lateral side).
Appears that this guy has lost hair on right side of lower leg. In this case he’s bald from about the ankle to approx 2 inches below knee. Front (tibia) not impacted…
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