Update on the Atlanta Honor Killing

Ahh it was a dean. Here’s the link.

"You made your point of view and sentiments perfectly clear. What I’m asking here is that you substantiate them. What neighbor? What media?

Who in their right minds (in the strictest sense of the term) did invoke “cultural misunderstanding” to downplay or justify murder?"

I don’t get it. Are you just trying to be a pain? Did you not read my last post?

Let’s break it down.

“What neighbor?”

MY neighbors. As in, the people who live around me. Such as the people I referred to in my classes or at my work or in my apartment building who subsribe to the premise that all moral truths are relative and that we cannot condemn anything outside our own American culture lest we become ignorant and intolerant.

“What media?”

MY media. As in the media as expressed in that article in the link above. As in every news program on television that fails to ever point out the texts from which these sentiments of honor killing are derived.

They share the same unwillingness to condemn any aspect of another culture or expose the evils inherent in other religions in order to remain politically correct and jibe with the sensibilities of my generation.

“Who in their right minds (in the strictest sense of the term) did invoke “cultural misunderstanding” to downplay or justify murder?”

A lot of liberal idiots do this is my country all the time. They justify the 911 attacks by appealing to an understanding of the Islamic culture and its creeds.

Have you ever heard of the phrase “cultural relativism”? It’s invoked by my generation all the time to prevent judgment of other cultures - even for terrible things like murder and genital mutilation.

I honestly hope this helps. If you don’t understand what I’m saying then I think you are trying not to understand. I’m not lying to you. It might be hard to fathom becuase you aren’t here to experience it. It blows my mind on a daily basis. If I weren’t from around here I might have a hard time believing it too.

You said it yourself - who in their right minds would do such a thing? Nobody! That’s my point! These aren’t right-thinking people! But that doesn’t mean there aren’t idiots who do.

[quote]Brayton wrote:
Ahh it was a dean. Here’s the link. [/quote]

An “associate dean” at that?

But let’s see what he actually said (as opposed to what you think he said):

[i]"Ajay Nair, associate dean of multicultural affairs at Columbia University, said many immigrant families struggle over cultural and generational gaps, but that most South Asian communities in the United States enjoy “wonderful” relationships within their families.

“My immediate reaction was that this is an anomaly in the South Asian American community,” Nair said Tuesday. “This isn’t a rampant problem within South Asian communities. What is a problem, I think, is domestic violence, and that cuts across all communities.”
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Nair said he believes a “significant human rights campaign” is needed to address such killings."[/i]

He acknowledges “cultural and generational gaps” among immigrant families, refers to the murder as an “anomaly” and believes more should be done to curtail “domestic violence”.

I honestly don’t see a single reason to lash at the man. Enlighten me if you can.

I did. Not much substantiation going on there.

[quote]Let’s break it down.

“What neighbor?”

MY neighbors. As in, the people who live around me. Such as the people I referred to in my classes or at my work or in my apartment building who subsribe to the premise that all moral truths are relative and that we cannot condemn anything outside our own American culture lest we become ignorant and intolerant. [/quote]

If your description is anywhere close to the reality, I strongly suggest you move.

But I suspect you’re just extrapolating on their views. You should try asking them directly and not filling in the gaps with preconceptions.

[quote]MY media. As in the media as expressed in that article in the link above. As in every news program on television that fails to ever point out the texts from which these sentiments of honor killing are derived.

They share the same unwillingness to condemn any aspect of another culture or expose the evils inherent in other religions in order to remain politically correct and jibe with the sensibilities of my generation. [/quote]

Still not much “illustration”. Give me quotes, videos or anything where your media invokes anything remotely connected to “cultural misunderstanding” to downplay or justify murder.

And just so you know, I embraced Islam. As such, I fail to see what Holy Text says “kill your daughter”. But then again, I speak Arabic - not Urdu.

I asked you to provide a single example of a “liberal idiot” doing this in this case.

So far, nothing.

Again, you conveyed your perception clearly.

What I asked is that you substantiate it. As in, providing an example of someone actually invoking this “cultural misunderstanding” to downplay or justify this heinous crime.

If your whole generation is doing it all the time, surely there must plenty of examples.

I understood what you’re saying from the get go.

I also saw what I think is a strawman. Now, all I’m asking, is that you substantiate your claim.

I wouldn’t be responding to your posts if I thought you were. You are clearly convinced by what you’re saying. What I’m doing here is push you to re-examine some of your preconceptions.

Maybe what you describe here is an accurate representation of what your neighbors and media say. Maybe not. From a purely logical perspective (and you insist on that point yourself), no group of human beings in their right mind would do the things you’re claiming. Therefore, the burden of proof lies on you.

And if your analysis of that associate dean in the article is taken into account, you are most likely misrepresenting your neighbors and media’s point of view. Probably unconsciously extrapolating their positions on other topics to this one. Which, as far as I’m concerned, is nothing but a red herring.

[quote]It might be hard to fathom becuase you aren’t here to experience it. It blows my mind a daily basis. If I weren’t from around here I might have a hard time believing it too.

You said it yourself - who in their right minds would do such a thing? Nobody! That’s my point! These aren’t right-thinking people! But that doesn’t mean there aren’t idiots who do. [/quote]

Again, a single example would suffice to shut me up.

I doubt the people and media in New England are that different from the ones I know. Trust me, as far as “political correctness” is concerned, Swedes are hard to beat.

All I said about the dean was that he downplayed the scenario to “domestic abuse”.

I’m not an internet warrior. Are you interested in an internet pissing match or a conversation? I don’t bother with the former and I’m not interested in the latter if it isn’t going to be productive at all.

I don’t walk around recording everything I hear and uploading onto youtube to use in an online forum discussion. I see this crap out of my peers all the time. I’m not going to give you their names and addresses. I DO ask them directly and I get no better explanations than the appeals to cultural relativism that I’ve been giving you.

You say a single example would shut you up. Why haven’t you shut up, then? I GAVE YOU EXAMPLES. It’s not that I haven’t given you examples, it’s that they’re not good enough for you.

You see a strawman argument. OK. You don’t think people really feel this way. You think I’m just imposing my prejudices. Why would I do that? Just to make myself miserable? I DON’T want people to think the way I’ve been describing.

I can’t help but read your responses and think that you’re making a concerted effort to disagree with me in every way. You’re not trying. You’re just busting my balls.

You say that from a purely logical perspective no group of human beings in their right mind would do the things I’m claiming. That’s right. Welcome to the real world. Humans aren’t all that logical.

You propose that humans naturally operate from a purely logical perspective? Ha! I’d say the burden of proof is on you! Maybe that’s how the Swedes operate (though I doubt you’re much better).

Maybe that’s how we all SHOULD operate. But not around here, thats for damn sure. Welcome to the U.S.A. where having the last name Obama means you’re Muslim regardless of where you spend your time on Sundays.

We should just hang him. It’s pretty simple if you strip away the PC bullshit and religious mumbo jumbo. He’s a cold blooded murderer.

I’ll say it again - death.

[quote]Makavali wrote:
We should just hang him. It’s pretty simple if you strip away the PC bullshit and religious mumbo jumbo. He’s a cold blooded murderer.

I’ll say it again - death.[/quote]

There we go. Thanks for getting things back on track. Good grief Lixy is distracting as all hell - what’s up with this guy? I hadn’t seen this much anal since I found my dad’s porn stash when I was fourteen.

[quote]Brayton wrote:
Makavali wrote:
We should just hang him. It’s pretty simple if you strip away the PC bullshit and religious mumbo jumbo. He’s a cold blooded murderer.

I’ll say it again - death.

There we go. Thanks for getting things back on track. Good grief Lixy is distracting as all hell - what’s up with this guy? I hadn’t seen this much anal since I found my dad’s porn stash when I was fourteen.[/quote]

Well, everybody here agrees that the guy is “a cold blooded murderer” and should be severely punished, if not given a taste of his own medicine (I’d volunteer!).

I don’t think anything I’ve written could possibly distract anyone from the facts. I’m just not willing to take your word that people in New England are fundamentally different from the rest of the species. Not that you should necessarily care. Just expect healthy scrutiny when you try to erect strawmen or make claims without evidence.

Peace.

[quote]lixy wrote:
erect strawmen[/quote]

LOL

No, I won’t grow up.

[quote]Makavali wrote:
We should just hang him. It’s pretty simple if you strip away the PC bullshit and religious mumbo jumbo. He’s a cold blooded murderer.

I’ll say it again - death.[/quote]

No way! He’ll think he is being martyred. I say we put him in the nastiest prison full of very angry homosexual rapists and let them have their way with him. He’d pray for death, but just live another day getting his sphincter torn to shreds and shitting blood and other people’s cum on a daily basis…There are some things worse than death, and that’s one of them.

[quote]He acknowledges “cultural and generational gaps” among immigrant families, refers to the murder as an “anomaly” and believes more should be done to curtail “domestic violence”.

I honestly don’t see a single reason to lash at the man. Enlighten me if you can.
[/quote]

Because he failed to point on the Qur’anic support for such actions and how they are integral to Islam and supported by Islamic doctrine, as I showed at the beginning of this thread.

Kitman, lixy. He told a partial truth, therefore he’s a liar like you.

[quote]pat wrote:
No way! He’ll think he is being martyred. I say we put him in the nastiest prison full of very angry homosexual rapists and let them have their way with him. He’d pray for death, but just live another day getting his sphincter torn to shreds and shitting blood and other people’s cum on a daily basis…There are some things worse than death, and that’s one of them.[/quote]

There is merit to this suggestion. Well played, good sir.

[quote]Makavali wrote:
pat wrote:
No way! He’ll think he is being martyred. I say we put him in the nastiest prison full of very angry homosexual rapists and let them have their way with him. He’d pray for death, but just live another day getting his sphincter torn to shreds and shitting blood and other people’s cum on a daily basis…There are some things worse than death, and that’s one of them.

There is merit to this suggestion. Well played, good sir.[/quote]

Even better is that in islam, rape is the victims fault! So not only does he get raped, but he’s deserved to be stoned to death because of it.

[quote]pat wrote:
Even better is that in islam, rape is the victims fault! So not only does he get raped, but he’s deserved to be stoned to death because of it.[/quote]

That plan is… just…

…beautiful.

Another Atlanta honor killing:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024585.php

Islam is crap

[quote]Chushin wrote:
Black Greg wrote:
Islam is crap

White guys can’t dance.[/quote]

Fixed.

New York:
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20090107/NEWS01/90107033/1002/NEWS

New York

Founder Muslim TV channel to “combat negative stereotypes of Muslims” beheads his wife:
http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/578644.html

Paris:
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LA422955.htm

Germany:
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/europe/news/article_1468554.php/