In theory, yes. In practise, you would not believe how many people’s labs I have seen where their estradiol levels took a dramatic hit from DIM and/or CDG. DIM in any amount will kill my libido after a few days. I’ve learned now to not touch estrogen at all. Of course, I try to avoid synthetic estrogens and phytoestrogens as much as I possibly can.
Total T of 176 with a free of 46 make no sense. Not sure what units of measurement you are using. Unless your free T is 46 pg/mL which would convert to 4.6 ng/dL. I would proabably throw myself off a bridge if my levels fell to that extent. If you felt better at those levels than when you were on TRT I can PROMISE you that you were doing something wrong.
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I agree, my levels were 50 ng/dl and FT was under 5ng/dl prior to starting TRT. So yeah, I cant imagine he felt better with those levels. I lived like that for years and it was not easy.
I over-respond to everything, 30 minutes after taking DIM erections go half mast, but within that 30 minutes libido is very good and dead short after.
I can barely handle much vitamin C (250mg) even though my levels will plummet within a day if I don’t supplement.
Ive been toying with using DIM, how is it?
Haven’t noticed anything on the DIM. Just thought I’d try it
See what I mean? I don’t recommend DIM anymore. Not to mention, too many variables makes things that much more difficult to dial in. With you it’s vitamin C. I can’t even take a damn multivitamin. I feel it within a week. Half mast erections like you said. Same with zinc. Same with vitamin D yet spending time in the sun improves libido/erections for me. It drove me nuts so I just gave up on them. Changes nothing. I feel really, really good these days.
Your free T is 4.6 ng/dL as I suspected.
You have no idea what you are missing.
About 7 years ago I was at my best. Total was at 780 free was 200 or I guess 20 on the conversion and my e2 was only 43. I felt amazing. But due to relocation I lost that doctor and protocol. I was also in much better shape and 65 lbs lighter. I’m working my ass off to get the weight down but it’s not a fast process especially with trt being useless at this point
what was your protocol?
5 pumps androgel 1.62. That was it. About 3 years ago I stopped absorbing gels and tried the patch but it literally ate away at my skin for little results. I’ve tried it all. Just cant seem to get a good dose and protocol for injections.
What dose/protocol for injections have you tried? Which were better?
These are all test cyp. 100mg once a week im. 100mg once a week subq and 50 mg 2x week subq which is what I am back on now. This is what current protocol gets me with an e2 of 57! Have not felt good on any of those protocols. Going Wednesday to endo and going to ask for daily subq 30mg and to actually monitor e2 and shbg cause I have had low shbg previoisly.
If your Total Test was only 253 then your dose was no where near enough. 30 mg a day would be more than double, a big jump. I’m not saying not to try ED, but maybe a little less than 30 mg initially would be better.
So maybe 20 or 25 daily would be better. I doubt my endo will do anything. His theory is numbers are good so you are fine and does not care about symptoms. I’m waiting to see a new doctor.
Yeah, somewhere in there is a little less drastic but you need a big increase… pick something and go for it
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If you are willing to pay out of pocket I can put you in touch with a doc that does telemedicine. Email in bio. There a ton of docs out there that will give 200mg/week and you take what you want. If your doc isn’t working out get a new one. Merica!
@bsbtec How long ago did you stop clomid? This drug has very shitty side effects. I could feel them 2-3 weeks after I stopped it and I took it in very small quantities only for 2 weeks! And the effect on SHBG remained like 3 months later.
Also what is your body composition? The fatter you are, the more side effects you will get from clomid, from testosterone and everything. As a guy that is not yet optimize I can tell you there is a difference how you feel when you drop 10kg.
I cannot give experience based advised on protocol but what the guys offer you to increase dosage and go to daily also seems a good option for you. If you get your testosterone levels total and free most likely you will feel much better. So relax, make the changes the guys here proposed you, leave e2 for now out of attention and also try to improve your body composition.
If you are fat I cannot highly enough recommend you metformin, this will give you a boost in cutting body weight.
Stopped clomid about 2 weeks ago. Waa on it for 2 months a month at 25mg a day and a month at 50mg a day. Had no side effects.
Yes I am fat. 6ft 2 as of yesterday 320 was 364 2.5 months ago.
I currently take 1000mg of metformin daily for diabetes which is well managed especially now that I am back to healthier ways