United Starts Fat Tax

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[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
thats not about being PC thats retarded.

im not sure whether youve ever flown or not but it takes enough time to process the luggage and even get into the boarding terminals especially with all the heighted security, you honestly think people are going to stand around and get weighed? really?
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You know that part where you put your bag on the scales? Simply step onto the scale directly afterward. It would take all of 10 seconds.

Should the shipping for two tubs of Metabolic Drive cost more than one? It costs a significant amount in fuel to facilitate an object being flown through the sky. Heavier object = More money. I do not see how this is difficult to comprehend.

I understand that airlines also charge by area occupied (ie: per seat) but a sold-out flight of lighter people is cheaper to fly than a sold-out flight of fatties.

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[quote]tom8658 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:

thats not about being PC thats retarded.

im not sure whether youve ever flown or not but it takes enough time to process the luggage and even get into the boarding terminals especially with all the heighted security, you honestly think people are going to stand around and get weighed? really?

you also think people are going to allow themselves to be charged on weight alone? one guy weighs 5 pounds more or less than me so now he has to pay 10 dollars more or less than me? that makes no sense.

and you get charged for being occupying more than 1 seat, regardless is your mass is muscle, fat, or silly putty. getting charged less for being a bodybuilder is like saying we’re going to charge all people the same rate to see a movie but we’re gonna let white people see it for free because theyre white.

No it isn’t.

Weighing the passengers would take less time than having everyone take off their shoes, or whatever other “security theater” TSA has in mind. Hell, you could do it while the passengers are putting their shoes back on.

If you weigh 5 pounds more than someone, that’s 5 more pounds the airplane has to haul on your account. Why shouldn’t you pay for it?[/quote]

ok…you think weighing people is going to make things shorter…seriously?

next, first airline that does this is going out of business

next, all expenses are already factored in as far as ticket pricing goes. if a company couldn’t make money off the way they’re already doing things then they would do things differently.

but if you got your way why not do that for busses, trains, cabs, horse and buggy rides

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[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
thats not about being PC thats retarded.

im not sure whether youve ever flown or not but it takes enough time to process the luggage and even get into the boarding terminals especially with all the heighted security, you honestly think people are going to stand around and get weighed? really?

You know that part where you put your bag on the scales? Simply step onto the scale directly afterward. It would take all of 10 seconds.

you also think people are going to allow themselves to be charged on weight alone? one guy weighs 5 pounds more or less than me so now he has to pay 10 dollars more or less than me? that makes no sense.

Should the shipping for two tubs of Metabolic Drive cost more than one? It costs a significant amount in fuel to facilitate an object being flown through the sky. Heavier object = More money. I do not see how this is difficult to comprehend.

I understand that airlines also charge by area occupied (ie: per seat) but a sold-out flight of lighter people is cheaper to fly than a sold-out flight of fatties.
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whats hard to comprehend is why you want to make everyone go out of their way just so you have to pay more, do you hold stock in an airline or something? i guess if your idea was so great they would have done it a long time ago.

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[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
whats hard to comprehend is why you want to make everyone go out of their way just so you have to pay more, do you hold stock in an airline or something? i guess if your idea was so great they would have done it a long time ago.[/quote]

Again, its not making an inconvenience for anyone. It might actually save time. Instead of lugging your baggage onto a scale, simply have a scale built into the floor at the front of the line, similar to a truck-weighing one. Weigh yourself and your baggage together.

I don’t hold any airline stock…far too volatile these days. I do hold lots of fuel stocks though, as oil has plummeted to the lowest prices we’re going to see in the foreseeable future. When it rises…and it will…the airlines are going to re-implement the “fuel surcharge” that we saw in the previous two years. Heavy objects require more fuel for their transport, hence, heavy people should pay more, in my opinion.

Anyway, no use discussing this, as it will never happen. Groups like NAAFP would be protesting en masse (so to speak) and hurling jelly donuts at the airplane companies

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[quote]Polish Rifle wrote:
PimpBot5000 wrote:
Now, just for the sake of discussion, what if some huge pre-contest Dorian Yates type tries to board? I wonder if they’d enforce the rule in that case?

No…

This applies only if the seat belt cannot fit around you and/or the seat arms cannot rest in the down position.

I travel almost every other week for business. Sitting next to an obese passenger is just plain awful. Watching them try to get down the aisle is a fucking horror show. Everyone is just praying they don’t sit next to them. It’s like some sick lottery game, only the winner gets to have a bad back when he or she arrives at their final destination due to contorting themselves in their seat to accommodate the lardass next to them.

They should have to buy 2 seats. If they don’t like it they can squeeze their fat asses into their car and drive themselves where they need to go.

I feel no pity for them.
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You think dorian yates at his prime could fit into a coach class seat and have the arm rest down? with his legs? Doubtful

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I don’t think it’s “punishing” the obese. It comes down to common courtesy. If you’re so large that you overflow into your neighbor’s space/seat, then yes, you should be required to purchase extra space to accommodate your bulk. The fact that obese people need someone to tell them this is rather ludicrous. Obese people KNOW they will take up more space than they have purchased (that’s what paying for a “seat” means) and should be ready to pay an overage fee if the space they bought cant accommodate/contain them. If you bought a piece of property you wouldn’t let your personal belongs overflow onto your neighbor’s property. If you did, there would be big stink about it. Same idea here.

I just went to a concert. I paid for great seats … center orchestra, third row, I was thrilled … until a 300+ pound man sat down next to my husband. Now my hubby isn’t a weenie, but he fit into his seat until this extra wide guy sat down next to him.

We spent the entire night with my hubby practically sitting on my lap and his neighbor’s rolls of fat were still pressing into him. My hubby was quite cramped even though the seats were theater quality wide. (Much wider than you’d find in cabin seating on a plane!) I really felt like I’d been ripped off. I paid a lot of money for great seats and my hubby spent the better part of three hours twisted sideways and trying not to be suffocated by the guy next to him … who BTW, was very nice, but didn’t seem the least bit uncomfortable or put out in spite of encompassing the better part of nearly 3 seats.

It’s not a matter of political correctness or personal judgment and it doesn’t matter what the source of your obesity or bulk is: if you can’t fit into ONE seat then you need to purchase another. I don’t care if you are obese or a mega-sized lifter or what. Extra space = extra fees. It’s not discrimination, it’s just common courtesy and common sense.

Cappy

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[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
whats hard to comprehend is why you want to make everyone go out of their way just so you have to pay more, do you hold stock in an airline or something? i guess if your idea was so great they would have done it a long time ago.[/quote]

There’s a good reason to start doing it, I think very soon we’ll see obesity added to ADA. If that ever happens, airlines will be required to give them a 2nd seat for free. If they charge purely on a weight and size scale, then they might be able to avoid that, since they’d also be charging skinny or muscular people more due to heaviness.

They take ADA pretty seriously. When my dad’s knee was messed up and couldn’t bend it, they refused to give him a aisle seat in an exit row (he is huge and certainly strong enough to help though his knee wouldn’t bend well). When he said “it’s an ADA issue” they immediately transferred him to a manager who got him what he wanted. It’s like magic letters, say them and get whatever you want since offering concessions is cheaper than getting sued.

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[quote]chrisb71 wrote:

They take ADA pretty seriously. When my dad’s knee was messed up and couldn’t bend it, they refused to give him a aisle seat in an exit row (he is huge and certainly strong enough to help though his knee wouldn’t bend well). When he said “it’s an ADA issue” they immediately transferred him to a manager who got him what he wanted. It’s like magic letters, say them and get whatever you want since offering concessions is cheaper than getting sued.[/quote]

I dunno. IMO, there is an difference between being disabled and needing special accommodations because you are too large to fit into one seat. If you are disabled and can’t bend a knee then yes, you should be allowed special seating arrangements that can better accommodate your disability at no extra charge … provided you can produce the proper medical documentation to support your disability claim. (BTW, standard procedure for the disabled!) But if you are simply too large AND disabled because of your obesity to purchase regular seating, then what? Is obesity (in and of itself) a disability and is the insurance industry ready to consider (general) obesity as such?

I know plenty of people who misuse things like handicapped parking plates/privileges and it’s wrong. If the disability act is willing to list obesity as a legit disability then … well, watch out because the obese will have found themselves a whole new set of entitlements!

Cappy

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[quote]Tyrant wrote:
I don’t blame them, I just flew to texas from florida, it was 2 planes, but a total of like 5 flights from the layovers, and it was ridiculous. I luckily tucked myself in a window seat but watched helplessly as I saw some skinny kid get stuck inbetween two fatasses, who has mcdonalds bags in their hand.

2 and a half hours of touching fat sweaty arms? No thanks.[/quote]

When I was 15 I once flew for nearly 15 hours between Melbourne and LA in a window seat with two 300lb+ people in the isle and middle seat next to me. It was such an inconvenience to get them up, that I held in a piss for about 3 hours. In the end I just climbed over them to get out. I also had to peel her flab off the armrest to change the radio station. Ughh, it was horrible.

Nice people though.

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It’s not about being fat… If you are as big as dorian yates or just obese (more common) you’ll have to pay 2 seat that’s it.

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[quote]Evil1 wrote:
^^I can’t imagine a medical condition that would result in such ‘portliness’.

Usually, it would be controlled by medication.[/quote]

all people are different.
and in that it only makes sense that all conditions are not the same.
some are harder to control than others based on the person that has the condition.

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Maybe the “to fat to fly” policy will motivate obese/morbidly obese people to get up and start doing something about their weight problem. I know if I was fat I would not want to have to go through that. Especially if I was a frequent flyer.

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[quote]Capacity wrote:
chrisb71 wrote:

They take ADA pretty seriously. When my dad’s knee was messed up and couldn’t bend it, they refused to give him a aisle seat in an exit row (he is huge and certainly strong enough to help though his knee wouldn’t bend well). When he said “it’s an ADA issue” they immediately transferred him to a manager who got him what he wanted. It’s like magic letters, say them and get whatever you want since offering concessions is cheaper than getting sued.

I dunno. IMO, there is an difference between being disabled and needing special accommodations because you are too large to fit into one seat. If you are disabled and can’t bend a knee then yes, you should be allowed special seating arrangements that can better accommodate your disability at no extra charge … provided you can produce the proper medical documentation to support your disability claim. (BTW, standard procedure for the disabled!) But if you are simply too large AND disabled because of your obesity to purchase regular seating, then what? Is obesity (in and of itself) a disability and is the insurance industry ready to consider (general) obesity as such?

I know plenty of people who misuse things like handicapped parking plates/privileges and it’s wrong. If the disability act is willing to list obesity as a legit disability then … well, watch out because the obese will have found themselves a whole new set of entitlements!

Cappy[/quote]

The idea of making it so tax payers have to pay for obese people because they are disabled worries me quite a bit. If obesity keeps going up that means there will be less and less people that are actually able to work. Who will be paying for all these people to sit around there house all day and eat?