Hello guys, I often read this forum but decided to register today because of my labs results.
I started testosterone only cycle on 27.12.2021
My run 200mg every 3.5 day (On Monday and on Thursday).
Took my bloods on thursday morning (4 days ago) before I would inject the next dose and lab results showed that my levels were:
Testosterone - 6815.12 ng/dl
Estradiol - 77.31 pg/mL
It seems that my testosterone levels are super high and especially for the first cycle. Should I lower the dosage? Or continue this way?
My gear isn’t overdosed, my balls are almost the same size (but semen is seriously reduced) and I don’t use AI and oral steroids too.
I’m afraid so high levels of testosterone are dangerous for my health, probably?
I have had weird labwork come back also. At the most, i have had like 4000 and 10000 on the same dose so i dont know how to explain that, but i wouldnt really take that into an account.
The thing with hormones is that just because it shows up more, doesnt mean it works better. I wouldnt run less gear if i were you. Well, if you get a super response - cool. Most likely its just how you body reacts in labwork, and you wont be turning into a hulk in a month anyways.
I dont think its really important what bloodwork says - its more important - WHAT ACTUALLY IS.
Are you gaining too much muscle you need to buy new shirts every week? Are you turning into Chris Bumstead overnight? No? Then no problem.
As far as health goes - bloodwork does not mean shit. Unless you check each organ you will never know whats up. I dont think some higher or lower numbers on something mean much.
Judge the dose by the results you are getting.
Judge the health by how you feel and ACTUAL organ imaging, instead of some numbers that change all the time.
Take cholesterol for example - you can have high. You can have low. What does it mean? Nothing. You can have it high and your artheries can be clean. You can have it low and your artheries can be 1 cloth away from a stroke. Unless you actually see the artheries, the cholesterol numbers in bloodwork dont mean shit.
lol yet the world of medicine revolves around bloodwork and panels and labs. but listen to the guy that replies to every single thread with nonsense and abused steroids for years…if you guys care about your members you’ll check the post above instead of checking mine.
This is the pharma section. The response would likely be different if it was the TRT section.
This has nothing to do with the advice given.
The point of a cycle is to be much over natural levels. OP has a good response to Test. You could argue that it’s just too much even a cycle, but do that instead of attacks.
These are really important points here, I think that gets lost sometimes. The goal of a steroid cycle is to produce a hormonal response that is outside of normal ranges. This is a thing that would be frowned upon by the general medical community.
So:
This point is really not relevant to the discussion at hand.
We do not do this stuff to get healthier. If anything, we’re trying to just minimize risks that we already know we’re taking. The important bloodwork would essentially be all the things that AREN’T the actual testosterone readings, if we’re talking about managing health throughout a steroid cycle. Since the OP didn’t provide anything outside of T/E numbers, there isn’t really much to address health-wise. He didn’t mention having any side effects or symptoms of anything that we would be concerned about.
Bloodwork and panels and labs are in medicine NOT to prevent, but to diagnose. So when someone already has a heart problem, they will use cholesterol markers to see if that could be a problem.
But for a healthy person, cholesterol markers can be different from a person to person, it does not say shit about the state of their artheries.
You also, seem to forget, that medicine is just one of the industries of the State. In some countries its regulated by politics, in some - its open business.
But not everything a doctor does, is THE BEST. Sometimes, its the most available and/or cheapest to start with.
Actually, an MRI would be the best tool to diagnose everything and you cant argue with that. The reason why every single doctor does not have it for himself is the cost and size of the thing, so they rely on more simple methods.
In fact, you could actually scan the person and always catch any tumor before its a serious problem. But it wont be done because scanning someone 10 times, so maybe you could catch a tumor ar 11th time, is not time and money efficient.
Bloodwork is very limited, its also very widely interpreted. Like testosterone - some doctors wills say you are fine if your test is 1% above the minimal line of normal. Others could say you are low if you are at the 8/10 of normal.
The things people are most scared about when using steroids is heart. Its artherie clogging and LVH. These things cannot be seen in bloodwork. We want to believe that if our cholesterol is somewhat fine, so is our heart, but in reality, we just dont want to go and let a doctor see the actual heart.
Idk about the costs of it in USA, but in my country, 1 heart echo costs like 10 bloodworks, so its much better to just go and actually SEE how its working instead of obsessing about cholesterol markers 5 times in each blast.
I think @150mgaweek took this and ran with some liberty. Strictly speaking I would also disagree. The context of your point is correct though. Plus as @flipcollar stated if you cared about your health, hormone panels alone are not the metrics to measure with bloodwork.
Funny how @anon18050987 got perma ban, but at least was the smartest person on this forum and 95% of his posts contained loads of valuable info for anyone. The only thing that got him banned was that he didnt agree with something with an admin. Meanwhile this troll continues to just be here, never in his life has posted anything of worth, not even an opinion. Only comments about other peoples comments. I guess until he comments on @Chris_Colucci he is safe, yes?
There have been many times i wanted to tag @anon18050987 for his knowledge, but no - i guess we need this dude, who has never been tagged by anyone for anything, never has posted a single opinion on the topic, never has any questions even tho clearly has no idea why he even is on this forum, etc.
If forum is OK to ban someone who can help everyone with his knowledge, but does not even care to do anything about the only actual openly known troll - it is just weird.
In this topic there is discussion about everything except the main subject
Btw I am healthy person, at least never had problems in my life.
Btw took general blood works yesterday and everythinf is in normal range except PDW that I have 18 Fl but normal range is 10.1 - 16.1
@BumpStead Yes this got derailed. To answer your question, cycling period is NOT good for your health. Your hormone values are not far off from normal of your dose. TT values alone are not a good metric for anything because depending on your SHBG those values will differ. Either way, I would say don’t focus on that number. For what you are doing its fine. If you want help with any other lab work, post it.
I couldn’t agree more. @anon18050987 was valuable here. Some of these other guys who just pop up with negativity and nothing more to offer… well draw your own conclusion.
No. Nobody has ever been banned for disagreeing with an Admin. A, I’m not that thin-skinned and B, that’d be a shitty way to run a forum.
We don’t typically discuss Mod/Admin actions, but readalot was eventually banned because, after repeated direct warnings and a short-term suspension, he had an absolute meltdown and was harassing staff both on and off the forum.
Nothing 150mg has said in this thread is remotely close to “trolling”. Name-calling? Yep. Not trolling. He does have a history of issues and has been handled accordingly, including a previous short-term suspension.
Your question was definitely answered, dude. Read closely. Almost everyone is saying that the testosterone level, in and of itself, is NOT a reason to be concerned, and that IF you’re going to use steroids, you WANT that number to be high.
If you actually want to have a conversation about blood work and potential problems that we could expect from certain numbers, you need to post a comprehensive panel. You haven’t given us enough information otherwise.
I’m not seeing anything abnormal or out of range on this. Am I missing something?
I’m having a hard time figuring out what you’re actually worried about at this point.
EDIT: I’ll put it this way. You have high testosterone because you’re injecting testosterone into your body. You’re obviously expecting your reading to be high. So then, you should be using OTHER health markers to determine if said high testosterone levels are doing you harm.
So, you’ve got this blood panel that you shared. Nothing is out of range, none of the numbers seem concerning to me.
You ALSO said you’re not having any symptoms of any potential health issues.
I just don’t understand why you’re here. If you don’t want your testosterone that high, inject less next time. High testosterone CAN cause other problems, but it doesn’t seem like it’s causing YOU problems.
The only thing you didn’t post that I’d want to see is your blood pressure and resting heart rate. If those are fine, then you’re just coming across as a hypochondriac.
I stated that PDW levels in my blood are 18 Fl but normal range is 10.1 - 16.1
I asked if that needs some attention, nothing more.
Also one thing that I don’t understand is:
People say that 400mg week is a low dose for even beginner and they should run at least 500mg or even 600mg a week. I guess people on even 700g/week and a little higher, hardly get the numbers that I have on 400mg test. Should I lower the dose since it’s my first time or should I continue this way or even move on 500mg/week?
PDW stands for platelet distribution width. That value will have absolutely nothing to do with testosterone levels. You’re asking a general health question here, which is something you should talk to your doctor about. It’s a ridiculous question to ask on a steroid forum. High PDW can be linked to vascular diseases and certain cancers. That’s about all I know about it.
I’m going to point you in a better direction for the future. You need to do some reading so that you understand what numbers in a blood test are likely relevant to steroid use. Steroids can have negative effects on the kidneys and liver, so things like Liver enzyme values would be much more useful to know.
And you still didn’t share THE MOST IMPORTANT NUMBER, which is blood pressure.
I don’t think you should use steroids. You clearly have no idea what you’re doing.
