Unforgivable Offenses

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[quote]boatguy wrote:
I’ll try to keep this fairly short:

I’ve always been a pretty laid back guy, taking things as they come and trying not to get wound up about them. When my wife thinks I’m pissed, I usually call that annoyed. At the age of 38, I’ve never been in a fight outside the ring (barring a couple childhood put-each-other-in-a-headlock-and-swing-at-nothing-till-someone-stops-us type affairs). Not that I’ve ever backed down from a fight, stuff just doesn’t usually happen when I’m around.

So anyway. A couple years ago, I was playing church-league coed softball. We were playing against the only team in our league that was a serious challenge for us (I’m not a great player, I can hit good and field decent but I’m nothing special), and one of their players was That Guy. Pat (I found out his name after this happened) spent the entire game screaming profanities at our team, mainly at the girls (one girl in particular, who kept yelling back at him). His team (which included their church’s pastor and one of their associate pastors) did absolutely nothing to stop this, and the umpire claimed ignorance the whole time as well. Every time we complained, he said he wasn’t hearing anything (my wife was sitting behind the ump keeping score and could hear every word Pat screamed out).

Throughout the game, I was the one playing peacemaker, telling everyone to ignore him and let it go, and trying to get Alexis (the one girl who kept replying to him) to shut up as well. So, anyway. Game ends, we won. We walk out to shake hands and the whole ‘good game’ thing. I was near the front of our line, and when I reached the end and turned around, Pat and Alexis were just coming even with each other. She said something to him, and I watched him plant his hand on her face. She shoved him away and said something else I couldn’t hear, to which he screamed (yet again), “Hey, F*ck you!”

I lost my shit. I shoved through the lines toward him and started yelling. Apparently I am not the witty one-liner guy when I am pissed. I basically just yelled “Hey!” 3-4 times as I moved toward him. He saw me and tried to square up with me, but people from both teams started grabbing us. I then switched to “Watch your mouth!” a couple times, and then calmed down. Found out after the whole thing was said and done, my 12 year old daughter had been standing right next to me when I took off after Pat, and I basically knocked her down when I moved. Never even saw her, and couldn’t say who was around me when it all happened. I was just focused on beating some ass. Funny thing was hardly anyone saw him hit her (word did get around though), and my team was trying to figure out why I suddenly lost it after I’d been calming everyone else down the whole game.

Okay, so it’s not very short. Apparently a male (can’t call someone like that a man) hitting a woman is one of my big bugaboos.[/quote]

hmmm, I don’t remember that game.

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sounds kind of like my buddy Pat who plays softball. He’s not usually an a-hole but I have noticed when he has some drinks he can be a little bit of a dick. Boatguy you don’t live in Michigan do you?

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My ex girlfriend and Baby’s mother feigned terminal illnesses, running me through an emotional ringer for 6 months, pretended to be dying to make it 100% morally acceptable to abort a child that turns out may have not been mine, misled me completely about every facet of her life, and then proceeded to name the child she did end up having a name she chose despite me pleading with her the entire time to allow me to have a say in the name of my daughter.

Some of that is forgivable. Giving my daughter the wrong name is not forgivable.

The day my daughter was born, at the hospital I was trying to communicate to her father why I was uncomfortable with the situation. After telling him “It feels like I’m being cut out, and that I don’t have any rights.” He responded with a smirk and a shrug, and proceeded to say “Well, you don’t.”

Playing dad to my first child the day she was born, and telling me I can’t do a thing about it with a smirk is also unforgivable.

There are certain things that one can never get back, and willfully taking those away from a man despite his requests constitutes something that is unforgivable.

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[quote]Will207 wrote:
When I was young my mother became really good friends with a woman. She would come by the house a lot and everyone in my family really liked her. After a year or so this woman developed cancer and was really sick. My mom would go to her house and help her out for a few hours each day. She would drive her to doctor appointments, cook her meals, clean her house, and keep her company. My mother lost a really close friend to cancer a few years prior to this, so it was all familiar territory and she wanted to make sure her final days were the best they could be. When things got really bad, this woman even moved into our house for a couple months so my mom could take care of her around the clock.

After a while, some things weren’t adding up and my mom did some investigating which revealed this woman did not even have cancer and had been lying about the whole thing for the attention. This devastated my mom. She was furious that someone had taken advantage of her and exploited her compassionate nature. She still feels bad for spending time with this woman when she could of have spent it with her children. She ran into this woman many years later. They had coffee and she was forgiven. I doubt I could have done the same. [/quote]

I read this one after my previous post. This is nearly exactly what happened to me, sans a different disease.

Oh and lets add in there getting pregnant on purpose and bringing a life in to this world which neither one of us can easily support, and introducing an innocent and beautiful creature into a unstable family life.

Lets also add in disallowing me visitation forcing me to take on thousands of dollars in debt just to play an active role in my daughters life, to provide some balance from what will certainly be her crazy mother.

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[quote]StevenF wrote:
sounds kind of like my buddy Pat who plays softball. He’s not usually an a-hole but I have noticed when he has some drinks he can be a little bit of a dick. Boatguy you don’t live in Michigan do you? [/quote]

Why do all these people have to be named “Pat”? Not fair!

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Lot’s of suffering on this thread… How sad.

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-Inviting me to dinner then serving a meatless dish
-voting for Hillary

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]aussie486 wrote:
Hurting kids, all bets are off with this.[/quote]

I agree. X2 all day.[/quote]

[quote]boatguy wrote:
Apparently a male (can’t call someone like that a man) hitting a woman is one of my big bugaboos.[/quote]

what if they touch my belly button?

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]boatguy wrote:
I’ll try to keep this fairly short:

I’ve always been a pretty laid back guy, taking things as they come and trying not to get wound up about them. When my wife thinks I’m pissed, I usually call that annoyed. At the age of 38, I’ve never been in a fight outside the ring (barring a couple childhood put-each-other-in-a-headlock-and-swing-at-nothing-till-someone-stops-us type affairs). Not that I’ve ever backed down from a fight, stuff just doesn’t usually happen when I’m around.

So anyway. A couple years ago, I was playing church-league coed softball. We were playing against the only team in our league that was a serious challenge for us (I’m not a great player, I can hit good and field decent but I’m nothing special), and one of their players was That Guy. Pat (I found out his name after this happened) spent the entire game screaming profanities at our team, mainly at the girls (one girl in particular, who kept yelling back at him). His team (which included their church’s pastor and one of their associate pastors) did absolutely nothing to stop this, and the umpire claimed ignorance the whole time as well. Every time we complained, he said he wasn’t hearing anything (my wife was sitting behind the ump keeping score and could hear every word Pat screamed out).

Throughout the game, I was the one playing peacemaker, telling everyone to ignore him and let it go, and trying to get Alexis (the one girl who kept replying to him) to shut up as well. So, anyway. Game ends, we won. We walk out to shake hands and the whole ‘good game’ thing. I was near the front of our line, and when I reached the end and turned around, Pat and Alexis were just coming even with each other. She said something to him, and I watched him plant his hand on her face. She shoved him away and said something else I couldn’t hear, to which he screamed (yet again), “Hey, F*ck you!”

I lost my shit. I shoved through the lines toward him and started yelling. Apparently I am not the witty one-liner guy when I am pissed. I basically just yelled “Hey!” 3-4 times as I moved toward him. He saw me and tried to square up with me, but people from both teams started grabbing us. I then switched to “Watch your mouth!” a couple times, and then calmed down. Found out after the whole thing was said and done, my 12 year old daughter had been standing right next to me when I took off after Pat, and I basically knocked her down when I moved. Never even saw her, and couldn’t say who was around me when it all happened. I was just focused on beating some ass. Funny thing was hardly anyone saw him hit her (word did get around though), and my team was trying to figure out why I suddenly lost it after I’d been calming everyone else down the whole game.

Okay, so it’s not very short. Apparently a male (can’t call someone like that a man) hitting a woman is one of my big bugaboos.[/quote]

hmmm, I don’t remember that game.[/quote]
Lol

I have a different background story but basically same outcome. I was an ER nurse and a gang banger laid hands on his sister in the room. Next thing you know I had basically tackled him and pinned him to the bed and was screaming at him to never touch a lady again.

Not my best moment as a nurse : )

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I understand forgiveness to mean “remembering without bitterness.” That being the case, forgiving is something I do for me rather than the person who wronged me.

Jewbacca, I wish you well on your journey to forgiveness.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]boatguy wrote:
I’ll try to keep this fairly short:

I’ve always been a pretty laid back guy, taking things as they come and trying not to get wound up about them. When my wife thinks I’m pissed, I usually call that annoyed. At the age of 38, I’ve never been in a fight outside the ring (barring a couple childhood put-each-other-in-a-headlock-and-swing-at-nothing-till-someone-stops-us type affairs). Not that I’ve ever backed down from a fight, stuff just doesn’t usually happen when I’m around.

So anyway. A couple years ago, I was playing church-league coed softball. We were playing against the only team in our league that was a serious challenge for us (I’m not a great player, I can hit good and field decent but I’m nothing special), and one of their players was That Guy. Pat (I found out his name after this happened) spent the entire game screaming profanities at our team, mainly at the girls (one girl in particular, who kept yelling back at him). His team (which included their church’s pastor and one of their associate pastors) did absolutely nothing to stop this, and the umpire claimed ignorance the whole time as well. Every time we complained, he said he wasn’t hearing anything (my wife was sitting behind the ump keeping score and could hear every word Pat screamed out).

Throughout the game, I was the one playing peacemaker, telling everyone to ignore him and let it go, and trying to get Alexis (the one girl who kept replying to him) to shut up as well. So, anyway. Game ends, we won. We walk out to shake hands and the whole ‘good game’ thing. I was near the front of our line, and when I reached the end and turned around, Pat and Alexis were just coming even with each other. She said something to him, and I watched him plant his hand on her face. She shoved him away and said something else I couldn’t hear, to which he screamed (yet again), “Hey, F*ck you!”

I lost my shit. I shoved through the lines toward him and started yelling. Apparently I am not the witty one-liner guy when I am pissed. I basically just yelled “Hey!” 3-4 times as I moved toward him. He saw me and tried to square up with me, but people from both teams started grabbing us. I then switched to “Watch your mouth!” a couple times, and then calmed down. Found out after the whole thing was said and done, my 12 year old daughter had been standing right next to me when I took off after Pat, and I basically knocked her down when I moved. Never even saw her, and couldn’t say who was around me when it all happened. I was just focused on beating some ass. Funny thing was hardly anyone saw him hit her (word did get around though), and my team was trying to figure out why I suddenly lost it after I’d been calming everyone else down the whole game.

Okay, so it’s not very short. Apparently a male (can’t call someone like that a man) hitting a woman is one of my big bugaboos.[/quote]

hmmm, I don’t remember that game.[/quote]
Lol

I have a different background story but basically same outcome. I was an ER nurse and a gang banger laid hands on his sister in the room. Next thing you know I had basically tackled him and pinned him to the bed and was screaming at him to never touch a lady again.

Not my best moment as a nurse : ) [/quote]

Had a similar softball story. No woman hitting, but giant douche was almost killed by our shortstop the next time we played them with a “wild” throw while he was running to first.

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[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]aussie486 wrote:
Hurting kids, all bets are off with this.[/quote]

I agree. X2 all day.[/quote]

[quote]boatguy wrote:
Apparently a male (can’t call someone like that a man) hitting a woman is one of my big bugaboos.[/quote]

what if they touch my belly button?[/quote]

all bets are off!

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[quote]scoots2 wrote:
Great video Jewbacca, something must be wrong with my screen… getting blurry[/quote]

Don’t forget, we Israelis are the bad guys and Iranians mullahs good.

Obama says so.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]scoots2 wrote:
Great video Jewbacca, something must be wrong with my screen… getting blurry[/quote]

Don’t forget, we Israelis are the bad guys and Iranians mullahs good.

Obama says so.[/quote]

Good thing I don’t listen to him! Keep on helping the young ones.

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There are lots of things I could think of that can be filed under ‘unforgivable offences’. I wouldn’t be forgiving if I did though, right?

Firstly, I think it goes without question how bad murder, rape and child molestation are - very serious, inhumane, incites a lot of different emotions for a lot of different people, etc. My initial thoughts in what passes for an ‘unforgivable offense’ would definitely be the aforementioned, but it’s debatable what forgiveness actually means, so I wouldn’t like to discuss forgiveness when it comes to crimes against humanity such as those.

Anyway, as a non-religious person, I believe for the sake of mental health that forgiveness is necessary. To me, it means freeing one’s self of hate, conceit and harboring no resentment. This in itself is enlightening. Without forgiveness, I think the danger of revisualizing negative events in your mind are very real and, depending on the person, could result in a regrettable, vindictive outcome or self-destruction.

Then again, I try and stay as far away as possible from people in real life, outside kickboxing.

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You’ve never faced an potentially unforgivable offense until someone literally threatens your life/the life of someone you hold dear, imo.

Bonus points if it’s your brother threatening his own life.

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[quote]boatguy wrote:

Okay, so it’s not very short. Apparently a male (can’t call someone like that a man) hitting a woman is one of my big bugaboos.[/quote]

what if she hits him first?

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[quote]magick wrote:
You’ve never faced an potentially unforgivable offense until someone literally threatens your life/the life of someone you hold dear, imo.

Bonus points if it’s your brother threatening his own life.[/quote]

Does rape or molestation count as threatens?

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I would be fine with just saying “threaten” instead of “threatens the life”.