[quote]nik19 wrote:
Oh and they actually managed to get a close up of one of the tribesmen!
lol[/quote]
You mean they sometimes hangout in Jersey nightclubs?
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[quote]nik19 wrote:
Oh and they actually managed to get a close up of one of the tribesmen!
lol[/quote]
That picture is great!
[quote]nik19 wrote:
Oh and they actually managed to get a close up of one of the tribesmen!
lol[/quote]
omfg game over
It’s hard to follow that picture. 
It’s not the people that need to be preserved, it’s the culture. The people are no different in that tribe than they are anywhere else. It would be great to understand the culture, and learn from it, and join it if you want, but isolation breeds nothing but ignorance, harmless as it may be. Tolerating a group of people purely as a museum piece seems a little condescending to me. Attempting to interact with them to determine their interests would seem the “Moral” thing to do. As someone said, in a couple weeks they’ll probably be drinking budweiser and smoking marlboro’s.
[quote]atypicaluser wrote:
It’s hard to follow that picture.
It’s not the people that need to be preserved, it’s the culture. The people are no different in that tribe than they are anywhere else. It would be great to understand the culture, and learn from it, and join it if you want, but isolation breeds nothing but ignorance, harmless as it may be. Tolerating a group of people purely as a museum piece seems a little condescending to me. Attempting to interact with them to determine their interests would seem the “Moral” thing to do. As someone said, in a couple weeks they’ll probably be drinking budweiser and smoking marlboro’s.[/quote]
Gee, talking to them, creating a dialogue and allowing them to choose the direction of their own personal and social developement, sounds an awful lot like according them basic human dignity to me.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I find it interesting that many of you imply that an undiscovered tribe automatically must live in Utopia.[/quote]
I hope I didn’t imply that. I just don’t think we have any right to force them to live in a way they don’t want to. Edit: Not that I think anyone is really advocating that, so it’s sort of a straw-man argument.
I don’t think forceful assimilation would not be the right wa, to approach to this people. We think that they need to be civilised, but aren’t they better off that way, than being intergrated into our society and living off well-fare etc.? I bet, all of them, whether old or young, lack the abilities to take part sucessfully in our world. (like none of us could manage to survive in the Amazonas for more than two weeks)
To the people, who say, that we should give them the choice of getting in contact of us or not: We can easily bait them into having contact with us: Give them drugs, show them electronic devices, the convenience of a life in a industrialised country, and for sure they won’t let us to leave anymore. But what price would they have to pay for receiving these “evils” of modern society. And we don’t even know, what kind of impact our presence will have to them. Maybe a little flu, we bring with us, will wipe their tribe out due to the lack of knowledge about an illness, which doens’t exist in their area. or worst, we will the victim of a illness, which can only be withstand through a certain genetical dispositon.
Just my 2 cents
[quote]pushharder wrote:
conorh wrote:
pushharder wrote:
I find it interesting that many of you imply that an undiscovered tribe automatically must live in Utopia.
I hope I didn’t imply that. I just don’t think we have any right to force them to live in a way they don’t want to. Edit: Not that I think anyone is really advocating that, so it’s sort of a straw-man argument.
Wasn’t pointing the finger at anyone in particular. Who is the “we” in “I just don’t think we have any right to force them to live in a way they don’t want to”?
To reply to your edit, many would advocate leaving them alone but the argument could be easily made to leave that choice up to them. There is a lot in modern civilization that might appeal to them and who are “we” to decide that “they” would be better off without those things?[/quote]
“We”, “them”, black helicopters, you know, the whole nine yards;)
I guess by “we” I meant all of us on this thread. I know I personally don’t want the responsibility and I’m glad it will no doubt fall to someone else.
Here’s the deal:
The problem with assuming that we should initiate contact and introduce them to our products and culture is just that. We introduce our products honestly but not our culture.
To a people like this the things our technology can do would seem like magic, and then once that stage passes a gift from heaven. This would naturally lead them to assume that our culture would have the same benefits. It doesn’t. The more contacted and integrated these groups become the greater the impact of the many negative aspects of our culture that they experience while the benefits gained from our products remains the same.
Soon the products themselves are not enough to guarantee happiness but by this time the native culture is all but gone or on it’s way out.
It is natural to assume and assert that the culture you belong to is superior to others. However, civilized culture is the only one that also assumes that everyone should live the same way we do.
Some good reading on the subject is the book Savages by Joe Kane. He spent a few years with a tribe, notorious for spearing anyone entering their territory, who are currently engaged in a struggle to preserve their culture and way of life.
They have had a full experience of our culture and way of life, and choose to return to their previous existence. Note that they don’t seek to swear off all of our products, just our culture. They were much, much happier before we messed with them. And from the source material I have seen this is pretty universal.
Safety and medicine do not make up for a cultural identity.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I find it interesting that many of you imply that an undiscovered tribe automatically must live in Utopia.[/quote]
And you inferred that from what posts exactly?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
lixy wrote:
pushharder wrote:
I find it interesting that many of you imply that an undiscovered tribe automatically must live in Utopia.
And you inferred that from what posts exactly?
I’m rooting for the Celtics in the Finals.[/quote]
Let me get this straight: You make a claim that’s essentially a strawman, and when called on it, you give your opinion on a completely unrelated topic.
What’s the matter with people?
I think the Prime Directive should apply, but with the special Captain Kirk interpretation.
[quote]lixy wrote:
pushharder wrote:
lixy wrote:
pushharder wrote:
I find it interesting that many of you imply that an undiscovered tribe automatically must live in Utopia.
And you inferred that from what posts exactly?
I’m rooting for the Celtics in the Finals.
Let me get this straight: You make a claim that’s essentially a strawman, and when called on it, you give your opinion on a completely unrelated topic.
What’s the matter with people?[/quote]
I’m not a big basketball fan myself.
I assume everyone here thinking that introducing technology to this tribe is a bad thing doesn’t use any right?
Oh wait yer posting on teh intertube.
Why not just give them the accelerated introductory course into civilization?
Just airdrop a few hundred i-phones and a few thousand rocks of crack.
[quote]nik19 wrote:
Oh and they actually managed to get a close up of one of the tribesmen!
lol[/quote]
That was fucking brilliant! I just pissed my pants a little.
DB