When the news becomes propaganda. Yes Democratic systems stop working. We are safe so long as no point of view can be censored. Beware of forbidden topics
The last couple of days have been a good example of media hiding their chosen candidates new email revelations of Pay for Play in order to headline Weiner’s continued sexting and corresponding marital split.
All the while, they attack every effort to dig into her sordid dealings as partisan attack.
Maybe that pig quarterback can moon the flag this week to create some diversion for the upcoming news cycle.
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Astounding display of Bias. Trump statements more important by multiples over balance of news items
Several of these (WaPo, NYT) don’t even mention Clinton’s Wall St excerpts.
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WHOA, treco.
Not this time.
Trump has been the news of this political season since he decided to run…and he played the Media like a Stradivarius…having to spend a fraction of what the Clinton campaign is spending to get media attention…and relishing in that fact.
He made a Faustian “deal” with the media…and now payment is coming due.
Trump can’t have it both ways.
The media has been in the business of gaming the GOP from the start. They devoted their entire attention to him as a way to block the more sensible message of the other candidates.
The minute he became nominee, the trap was sprung, and he is now Satan?
If anyone has made a pact with the devil, it is the msm.
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…They devoted their entire attention to him as a way to block the more sensible message of the other candidates…[/quote]
Again, No.
They devoted their time to him because Trump news pushes viewership…whether to a Website or a Broadcast Network.
Trump knew that. He knew what drew viewership and dollars probably better than anyone “officially” in the media. And he worked it.
It’s about dollars and egos. Blocking “sensible messages” has nothing to do with it.
I don’t disagree with your statements.
And they prove this thread’s title.
So ultimately biased, MSM is no watchdog, barely a source of news due to their editorial stances, and basically just a form of entertainment and bias confirmation.
I appreciate your posts for their thoughtfulness and even handedness - even though we probably have opposing viewpoints on some of these political matters.
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…I appreciate your posts for their thoughtfulness and even handedness - even though we probably have opposing viewpoints on some of these political matters…[/quote]
Same here, Treco.
Thank you for your post.
I think that the only way to keep reasonable discussion is to respectfully disagree and move on.
That’s why you will often see me write “we can agree to disagree”.
Now…does heated debate have it’s place? You BET it does! I learned more from the heated discussions TB and Push used to have than any one civics and/or history lesson I had in college. Also; smh and Bismark have provided a “balance” to all of the “Obama Sucks/Let’s-bomb-the-shit-out-of-.em” rhetoric often present on PWI. Rhetoric and passion should always be “balanced” by fact and reasoning.
(Sorry for taking things a little “off-topic”, treco!)
96% of journalists direct contribution over $200 to Clinton. Amazing when normally you couldn’t 96/100 to agree the sun rises in the east.
I wonder how much more given by them to PACs, since $400K is chicken feed.
http://time.com/money/4533729/hillary-clinton-journalist-campaign-donations/
That’s the problem, though. The media is and does try to game the system by over or under reporting. This of course is not new, but what has gotten lost in the modern media is facts.
Just report the news. You don’t need 8 negative stories about trump to tell essentially one story. You don’t need op-ed’s appearing as headline news, you don’t need headlines like “8 year old blasts trump on twitter” ← That shit isn’t news, but it appears as headlines.
The biggest thing happening right now in the world is the war in Syria. Yet, that almost never makes headlines even though we are an asshair away from a very large escalation in that conflict.
The Russians bringing in high tech antimissile/ anti aircraft batteries was a huge escalation yet it hardly got a peep. If the U.S. tries to support our “rebels” with aircraft or missile defense, Russia has vowed to shoot it down. If we try to protect civilians in Aleppo, Russia has threaten to shoot us out of the sky. This is real news and it’s real bad. But the media cares more about whether or not trump said the word “pussy” more than people who are truly suffering and dying.
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The moment profit was placed ahead of investigation, research, and analysis the dynamic changed. Media is simply giving the public what it asks for. During the primaries Trump’s coverage led him to victory, during the general, not so much. ‘If it bleeds it leads’
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Facts don’t pay the bills…
This is really all that needs to be said. Media outlets are businesses, and are only biased toward a dollar. If Hillary’s email or wikileaks scandals sold as well as Trump, you better believe it’d be beaten to death.
If media is only about business and writing prose that tells a narrative made to maximize profits - they should be rebranded as advertising agencies and lose the confidential source exemption they enjoy.
But for our democratic system, we really need an honest information system to keep the government and its agents transparent.
That is simply not true. When I worked in sales we had a concept that we called a loss leader. The way it worked is we would give away something which would be a loss in the hope that it would generate in a sales lead that would make up for the loss. Many of the media outlets have other business interests that can benefit from one candidate over the other. So they can afford to take a loss in one part of their business in order to make it up in another.
For example General Electric owns MSNBC. MSNBC did everything they could to get Obama elected, in return for that Obama blew billions of dollars buying their worthless wind turbines. Hillary Clinton will continue that business deal if she is elected. So for MSNBC it is worth it to support a piece of shit and lose viewers. If it results in a loss for MSNBC, GE can write it off against their wind turbine business using the same tax law that Trump gets criticized for using.
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But at the end of the day, they are the only things that matter.
What do you do when that day comes and you realize you been living a pack of lies? That day comes for everyone. Without foundational wisdom it’s a day one will rue.
Oh sure they would, it’s as dirty as you can get. 90% of the media is Democrat. They are going to favor stories that help their tribe.
We are severely lacking journalistic integrity. We need referees not cheerleaders.
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We are the referees. As in, “We the People”.
There’s no official Arbiter of Truth out there nor has there ever been. Media outlets are private enterprises and like other private enterprises will pursue their own interests. I’d much rather the media be upfront about their viewpoints like publishing the voting records of their journalists rather than continuing under the illusion that they exist to expose some kind of objective truth.
(Not directed at you specifically, Pat, just building off your post)
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Yeah I agree. I wish the media was the referee they should be, but that’s not the reality. People should read some of Thomas Jefferson’s quotes about the media…
“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. He who reads nothing will still learn the great facts, and the details are all false.”
“I deplore… the putrid state into which our newspapers have passed and the malignity, the vulgarity, and mendacious spirit of those who write for them… These ordure’s are rapidly depraving the public taste and lessening its relish for sound food. As vehicles of information and a curb on our functionaries, they have rendered themselves useless by forfeiting all title to belief… This has, in a great degree, been produced by the violence and malignity of party spirit.” (that sounds an awful lot like today’s world…)
“Advertisements… contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper.”
The amazing thing is that the Founder’s defended the right to a free press anyway. Sad, but today we have the same problems just with more reach, as not as many people are illiterate lol
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I tend to agree with max13 on this.
A recent example is with Fox.
Roger Ailes has proven to be as “alt-right” as it comes. HIS Boss; Rupert Murdoch; was (and is) all about the dollar. He could give two-shits about whether it’s right/left-red/blue…if it makes a Dollar, that’s all he needs and wants to know.
They both knew that there were Billions of dollars out there, just ready to be tapped, by providing a right-leaning/Conservative Platform…and they went after it with a vengeance.
And as they say…the rest is History.
It made Ailes millions…and the FOX Entertainment Group and Murdoch BILLIONS.
(Just thought all of you Saudi-Loving Conservatives (sarcasm) would like to know that Murdoch has partnered with the Saudis for their own 24-hour network).
It’s about the dollars, folks…