Seldom has a politician come out on the winning end of this kind of war. I chalk the direct calling out of Fox News a rookie mistake.
If you look at his war of words with Rush Limbaugh, you could not have asked for a worse result. Rush is even bigger and more popular than ever before. Bill Clinton handled Rush perfectly, he pretended he did not exist. If Rush got listeners it was no fault of Clinton’s. But obama calls him out personally. He makes him bigger than he actually is and you get a backfire. Rush is even more popular. Free advertising.
So it will be with Fox News. Personally picking a war with the largest news organization cannot be a good idea. If he were smart, he’d be all over Fox News. You enemy cannot strike you when you have their arms around you.
So, warring with Fox News, good idea, or rookie mistake?
I read that Fox overnight has higher ratings then CNN or MSNBC in prime time. If Obama is fighting them it’s almost guaranteed that it won’t workout for him. He really has screwed up everything he’s tried, this will be no different.
Fox has been killing the other news media in ratings for awhile now, and this probably made it even worse. Now you have people waiting to see what Fox will say in response to Obama. I think it’s kinda like sour grapes, what president hasn’t been ripped by the media? Hell, look at what GW Bush went through (not saying he didn’t deserve it). But if you think that you are not going to have pot shots taken at you while being president, then you should not be president.
[quote]hedo wrote:
I read that Fox overnight has higher ratings then CNN or MSNBC in prime time. If Obama is fighting them it’s almost guaranteed that it won’t workout for him. He really has screwed up everything he’s tried, this will be no different.
Consequences of hiring a naive president.[/quote]
Good post, I would only ad that Obama seems to be the most paranoid and ego maniacal President since Richard Nixon. Those who study politics will remember Nixons “enemies list”. I wonder if Obama has such a list? He’s turning out to be quite a character isn’t he?
“Never pick a fight with anyone who buys ink by the barrel.”
It’s simple: Obama knows Fox will never agree with anything he does short of becoming a Republican. Therefore, he doesn’t care if he attacks it directly. He knows that he has nothing to lose in this regard.
The above post in no way defends any Islamic practice, person, or dictator, or any enemy of America nor does it criticize the United States. This is a first (that I’ve noticed, anyway.)
Obama cares more than you think Lixy, Fox helped get rid of Van Jones, show the ACORN scandal, and just all around be a pain in the ass. He called them out specifically, which means that they are a nuisance to some degree. It’s not that Obama thinks what Fox shows is right, but that people watch and believe what Fox is showing that worries him.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Obama cares more than you think Lixy, Fox helped get rid of Van Jones, show the ACORN scandal, and just all around be a pain in the ass. He called them out specifically, which means that they are a nuisance to some degree. It’s not that Obama thinks what Fox shows is right, but that people watch and believe what Fox is showing that worries him. [/quote]
Oh, he is worried alright.
What he does not care about, are the repercussions of his staff directly attacking Fox.
“What I think is fair to say about Fox – and certainly it’s the way we view it – is that it really is more a wing of the Republican Party,” said Anita Dunn, White House communications director, on CNN. “They take their talking points, put them on the air; take their opposition research, put them on the air. And that’s fine. But let’s not pretend they’re a news network the way CNN is.”
[i]Meanwhile, geeks with calculators are busily crunching numbers…
As for Dunn’s complaint about Fox News’ coverage of the Obama campaign, a study by the Pew Research Center showed that 40 percent of Fox News stories on Obama in the last six weeks of the campaign were negative. Similarly, 40 percent of Fox News’ stories on Obama’s Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain, were negative.
On CNN, by contrast, there was a 22-point disparity in the percentage of negative stories on Obama (39 percent) and McCain (61 percent). The disparity was even greater at MSNBC, according to Pew, where just 14 percent of Obama stories were negative, compared to a whopping 73 percent of McCain stories – a spread of 59 points[/i]
This just speaks to how highly Obama thinks of himself…
If Bush had done this, the press would have lost their shit. Hell…if Bush had done almost anything Obama has done the press would have lost their shit.
Close Gitmo? Nope.
Bring troops home? Nope.
End Patriot Act? Nope.
Tax the fucking country into the stone age? Check!
Run up debt like a whore with a stolen credit card? Check!
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
(From the link in the OP)-- Dunn says:
“What I think is fair to say about Fox – and certainly it’s the way we view it – is that it really is more a wing of the Republican Party,” said Anita Dunn, White House communications director, on CNN. “They take their talking points, put them on the air; take their opposition research, put them on the air. And that’s fine. But let’s not pretend they’re a news network the way CNN is.”
[i]Meanwhile, geeks with calculators are busily crunching numbers…
As for Dunn’s complaint about Fox News’ coverage of the Obama campaign, a study by the Pew Research Center showed that 40 percent of Fox News stories on Obama in the last six weeks of the campaign were negative. Similarly, 40 percent of Fox News’ stories on Obama’s Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain, were negative.
On CNN, by contrast, there was a 22-point disparity in the percentage of negative stories on Obama (39 percent) and McCain (61 percent). The disparity was even greater at MSNBC, according to Pew, where just 14 percent of Obama stories were negative, compared to a whopping 73 percent of McCain stories – a spread of 59 points[/i][/quote]
Go figure.
Watching Oberman is an exercise in suspending reality. That guy is a total fucking tool. As is the “woman” that follows him.
[quote]lixy wrote:
It’s simple: Obama knows Fox will never agree with anything he does short of becoming a Republican. Therefore, he doesn’t care if he attacks it directly. He knows that he has nothing to lose in this regard.[/quote]
He cares alright. He’s called them out by name before. The problem is that politician survives a media determined to destroy them. Fox was there before obama and will be there after. What he is doing is turn people on to Fox. After all if the president thinks their important they must be.
My prediction is that he will regret this move later. He needs to quit whining about people who disagree with him. Every time he has a gripe he empowers his enemies. Hence, he has not been able to shove his socialist agenda down our throats, even with majorities in congress…That’s just sad really. He technically has the votes to do what ever he wants, yet he can’t get anything done, thank God.
[quote]pat wrote:
lixy wrote:
It’s simple: Obama knows Fox will never agree with anything he does short of becoming a Republican. Therefore, he doesn’t care if he attacks it directly. He knows that he has nothing to lose in this regard.
He cares alright. He’s called them out by name before. The problem is that politician survives a media determined to destroy them. Fox was there before obama and will be there after. What he is doing is turn people on to Fox. After all if the president thinks their important they must be.
My prediction is that he will regret this move later. He needs to quit whining about people who disagree with him. Every time he has a gripe he empowers his enemies. Hence, he has not been able to shove his socialist agenda down our throats, even with majorities in congress…That’s just sad really. He technically has the votes to do what ever he wants, yet he can’t get anything done, thank God.[/quote]
[quote]pat wrote:
lixy wrote:
It’s simple: Obama knows Fox will never agree with anything he does short of becoming a Republican. Therefore, he doesn’t care if he attacks it directly. He knows that he has nothing to lose in this regard.
He cares alright. He’s called them out by name before. The problem is that politician survives a media determined to destroy them. Fox was there before obama and will be there after. What he is doing is turn people on to Fox. After all if the president thinks their important they must be.
My prediction is that he will regret this move later. He needs to quit whining about people who disagree with him. Every time he has a gripe he empowers his enemies. Hence, he has not been able to shove his socialist agenda down our throats, even with majorities in congress…That’s just sad really. He technically has the votes to do what ever he wants, yet he can’t get anything done, thank God.[/quote]
He is easily going to go down as the worst president ever on multiple fronts. There is already a huge backlash amongst his suppoerters. Buyers remorse is setting in and the people who are still championing him are going to be hung out to dry big time. I was so scared of this guy and he may actually be so bad that it goes full circle. He may wipe the ultra liberal agenda off the map for another solid generation. My only prayer is that all the people who are fed up with Obama don’t just do the same old thing and say. Oh well I guess it’s the republican party then.
[quote]lixy wrote:
pat wrote:
lixy wrote:
It’s simple: Obama knows Fox will never agree with anything he does short of becoming a Republican. Therefore, he doesn’t care if he attacks it directly. He knows that he has nothing to lose in this regard.
He cares alright. He’s called them out by name before. The problem is that politician survives a media determined to destroy them. Fox was there before obama and will be there after. What he is doing is turn people on to Fox. After all if the president thinks their important they must be.
My prediction is that he will regret this move later. He needs to quit whining about people who disagree with him. Every time he has a gripe he empowers his enemies. Hence, he has not been able to shove his socialist agenda down our throats, even with majorities in congress…That’s just sad really. He technically has the votes to do what ever he wants, yet he can’t get anything done, thank God.
This bill does not have a “public option”. It has some cooping garbage which sounds good on paper, but will likely drive health care prices, insurance prices AND taxes up, which is the opposite of what we want, and it’s damn sure not what obama wants.
Senate panel and Senate are not the same thing by the way. A senate panel also defeated the “public option”. All the panel does is allow the bill to go to another panel to be scrutinized. This bill will also die. It’s bad as well.
[quote]lixy wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
Obama cares more than you think Lixy, Fox helped get rid of Van Jones, show the ACORN scandal, and just all around be a pain in the ass. He called them out specifically, which means that they are a nuisance to some degree. It’s not that Obama thinks what Fox shows is right, but that people watch and believe what Fox is showing that worries him.
Oh, he is worried alright.
What he does not care about, are the repercussions of his staff directly attacking Fox.[/quote]
Yes he does care about it but he’s a coward anywhere but the campaign trail. Pat had it right when he said he should be all over FOX every chance he gets. Even Barney Frank goes on with O’Reilly. Micheal Moore went on with Hannity. However, he knows he will be grilled on FOX about issues he does not have answers for so instead of at least showing some balls and sparring like a man, he runs away, hides behind the MSM and throws stones.
FOX is pummeling the next few news outlets combined and don’t fool yourself. They have very large numbers of self described liberal and minority viewers who know what FOX is about. It’s like that scene in Running Man where the girl sees the newscast of a story of Arnold’s arrest where she was present and says in a kinda dismayed tone “but that’s not true”.
That is something that bugs me about Obama, is that he won’t face his critics. He can’t hold his water. Also when something goes wrong, it’s always George Bush’s fault. “(Insert failure) is due to the policies of a previously failed administration…” It just gets to be tiresome and lackluster when someone can’t say, you know what, while our intentions were good, things did not work out as we had hoped. I would have more respect for someone who did that. But apparently, its taboo to admit when you are wrong.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
That is something that bugs me about Obama, is that he won’t face his critics. He can’t hold his water. Also when something goes wrong, it’s always George Bush’s fault. “(Insert failure) is due to the policies of a previously failed administration…” It just gets to be tiresome and lackluster when someone can’t say, you know what, while our intentions were good, things did not work out as we had hoped. I would have more respect for someone who did that. But apparently, its taboo to admit when you are wrong. [/quote]
Didn’t you know he is the Black Jesus. And Jesus is never wrong.