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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

150 million annually for 23 years if Boeing meets its promise of 8000 jobs. [/quote]

This is the accountability. If those 8000 jobs are not kept the entire 23 years they loose the tax break and the state gets to claw back all the tax breaks from the past.
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Small price for Boeing to pay, massive price for Missouri taxpayers. No doubt Boeing is laughing all the way to the bank on this. 8000 jobs for close to 2 billion in incentives when you’re already a multi billion dollar corporation? Its good to be king. Like. I said don’t worry they will cut low income housing and increase working stiffs taxes and all will be well.

If your trying to figure out who comes out best look towards the team making all these demands. You want us to come here you better be willing to give us everything we want. Corruption at its finest. Nothing to see here, the power of the “free” market at work. [/quote]

The math on that actually looks pretty good. Lets say that the average wage of those 8000 people is 30K. Thats a gross of 240 million dollars into the states economy, minus 150 million gives a net of +90 million dollars per year. And all of those 240 million dollars made every year are going to get taxed out the wazoo, just like everybody else.
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I think $30k is a bit low. It probably going to be in the $45k-55k.
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Good machinists here make well over 50K.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

150 million annually for 23 years if Boeing meets its promise of 8000 jobs. [/quote]

This is the accountability. If those 8000 jobs are not kept the entire 23 years they loose the tax break and the state gets to claw back all the tax breaks from the past.
[/quote]

Small price for Boeing to pay, massive price for Missouri taxpayers. No doubt Boeing is laughing all the way to the bank on this. 8000 jobs for close to 2 billion in incentives when you’re already a multi billion dollar corporation? Its good to be king. Like. I said don’t worry they will cut low income housing and increase working stiffs taxes and all will be well.

If your trying to figure out who comes out best look towards the team making all these demands. You want us to come here you better be willing to give us everything we want. Corruption at its finest. Nothing to see here, the power of the “free” market at work. [/quote]

The math on that actually looks pretty good. Lets say that the average wage of those 8000 people is 30K. Thats a gross of 240 million dollars into the states economy, minus 150 million gives a net of +90 million dollars per year. And all of those 240 million dollars made every year are going to get taxed out the wazoo, just like everybody else.
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I think $30k is a bit low. It probably going to be in the $45k-55k.
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Good machinists here make well over 50K.[/quote]

So lets just use $1,000,000 (in my best Dr. Evil Accent) and then we can do the calculation.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

150 million annually for 23 years if Boeing meets its promise of 8000 jobs. [/quote]

This is the accountability. If those 8000 jobs are not kept the entire 23 years they loose the tax break and the state gets to claw back all the tax breaks from the past.
[/quote]

Small price for Boeing to pay, massive price for Missouri taxpayers. No doubt Boeing is laughing all the way to the bank on this. 8000 jobs for close to 2 billion in incentives when you’re already a multi billion dollar corporation? Its good to be king. Like. I said don’t worry they will cut low income housing and increase working stiffs taxes and all will be well. [/quote]

I see your point, and agree to a certain point. Instead of hating the rich join them. Purchase the investments they purchase, and reap the benefits that they get. You want to be poor do what the poor do.

To be very honest I wish the playing field was level for all companies and individuals. It is just not so. Some states have more regulations and taxes. Some states are “Right to Work” States and some aren’t. The landscape is all over the place. So companies and Individuals have to find a place that benefits them the most, and that is why companies and individuals keep moving to different states.
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I don’t hate the rich I hate corruption and massive government involvement in the economy.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

150 million annually for 23 years if Boeing meets its promise of 8000 jobs. [/quote]

This is the accountability. If those 8000 jobs are not kept the entire 23 years they loose the tax break and the state gets to claw back all the tax breaks from the past.
[/quote]

Small price for Boeing to pay, massive price for Missouri taxpayers. No doubt Boeing is laughing all the way to the bank on this. 8000 jobs for close to 2 billion in incentives when you’re already a multi billion dollar corporation? Its good to be king. Like. I said don’t worry they will cut low income housing and increase working stiffs taxes and all will be well.

If your trying to figure out who comes out best look towards the team making all these demands. You want us to come here you better be willing to give us everything we want. Corruption at its finest. Nothing to see here, the power of the “free” market at work. [/quote]

The math on that actually looks pretty good. Lets say that the average wage of those 8000 people is 30K. Thats a gross of 240 million dollars into the states economy, minus 150 million gives a net of +90 million dollars per year. And all of those 240 million dollars made every year are going to get taxed out the wazoo, just like everybody else.
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Yeah, corporate socialism like I said. Redistribution of wealth. Taking money from some and redistributing it to others. That money in the economy? Thats Missouri taxpayers wealth being taken from them to give to Boeing who gives some back to a select few. Missouri taxpayers lose. Some Missouri workers win based off that loss. It’s good for those people. It’s great for Boeing. It’s taking from some and giving to others. Socialism.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

150 million annually for 23 years if Boeing meets its promise of 8000 jobs. [/quote]

This is the accountability. If those 8000 jobs are not kept the entire 23 years they loose the tax break and the state gets to claw back all the tax breaks from the past.
[/quote]

Small price for Boeing to pay, massive price for Missouri taxpayers. No doubt Boeing is laughing all the way to the bank on this. 8000 jobs for close to 2 billion in incentives when you’re already a multi billion dollar corporation? Its good to be king. Like. I said don’t worry they will cut low income housing and increase working stiffs taxes and all will be well. [/quote]

I see your point, and agree to a certain point. Instead of hating the rich join them. Purchase the investments they purchase, and reap the benefits that they get. You want to be poor do what the poor do.

To be very honest I wish the playing field was level for all companies and individuals. It is just not so. Some states have more regulations and taxes. Some states are “Right to Work” States and some aren’t. The landscape is all over the place. So companies and Individuals have to find a place that benefits them the most, and that is why companies and individuals keep moving to different states.
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I don’t hate the rich I hate corruption and massive government involvement in the economy.[/quote]

I do to, but until taxing and over regulation are abolished then every company and individual has to do what benefits them most. At least the company and the individual has a choice of where they live, work, and produce.

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If any of you guys have Netflix, you should watch 2 documentaries I recently watched. One is called Ethos and the other is called Park Avenue: Money, Power, and the American Dream.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

150 million annually for 23 years if Boeing meets its promise of 8000 jobs. [/quote]

This is the accountability. If those 8000 jobs are not kept the entire 23 years they loose the tax break and the state gets to claw back all the tax breaks from the past.
[/quote]

Small price for Boeing to pay, massive price for Missouri taxpayers. No doubt Boeing is laughing all the way to the bank on this. 8000 jobs for close to 2 billion in incentives when you’re already a multi billion dollar corporation? Its good to be king. Like. I said don’t worry they will cut low income housing and increase working stiffs taxes and all will be well.

If your trying to figure out who comes out best look towards the team making all these demands. You want us to come here you better be willing to give us everything we want. Corruption at its finest. Nothing to see here, the power of the “free” market at work. [/quote]

The math on that actually looks pretty good. Lets say that the average wage of those 8000 people is 30K. Thats a gross of 240 million dollars into the states economy, minus 150 million gives a net of +90 million dollars per year. And all of those 240 million dollars made every year are going to get taxed out the wazoo, just like everybody else.
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Yeah, corporate socialism like I said. Redistribution of wealth. Taking money from some and redistributing it to others. That money in the economy? Thats Missouri taxpayers wealth being taken from them to give to Boeing who gives some back to a select few. Missouri taxpayers lose. Some Missouri workers win based off that loss. It’s good for those people. It’s great for Boeing. It’s taking from some and giving to others. Socialism. [/quote]

This is a manufacturing facility, right? So they will be building airplanes which have guaranteed funds for their purchase. That is rock solid income for the entire state. It’s not like a fleet owner just calls up Boeing and says “Hey! Build me a hundred 767s for the next couple years. Don’t worry about the dough. I’m good for it.”.

Put simply, you aren’t accounting for the fact that they are creating real assets which are sold at a profit. It isn’t a closed loop of money. There is more being put into that system from all over the world.

It is the facilitation of capitalism.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

150 million annually for 23 years if Boeing meets its promise of 8000 jobs. [/quote]

This is the accountability. If those 8000 jobs are not kept the entire 23 years they loose the tax break and the state gets to claw back all the tax breaks from the past.
[/quote]

Small price for Boeing to pay, massive price for Missouri taxpayers. No doubt Boeing is laughing all the way to the bank on this. 8000 jobs for close to 2 billion in incentives when you’re already a multi billion dollar corporation? Its good to be king. Like. I said don’t worry they will cut low income housing and increase working stiffs taxes and all will be well. [/quote]

I see your point, and agree to a certain point. Instead of hating the rich join them. Purchase the investments they purchase, and reap the benefits that they get. You want to be poor do what the poor do.

To be very honest I wish the playing field was level for all companies and individuals. It is just not so. Some states have more regulations and taxes. Some states are “Right to Work” States and some aren’t. The landscape is all over the place. So companies and Individuals have to find a place that benefits them the most, and that is why companies and individuals keep moving to different states.
[/quote]

I don’t hate the rich I hate corruption and massive government involvement in the economy.[/quote]

I do to, but until taxing and over regulation are abolished then every company and individual has to do what benefits them most. At least the company and the individual has a choice of where they live, work, and produce.
[/quote]

I don’t blame Boeing, they are doing what’s best. Taking from taxpayers and forcing sweetheart deals with massive influence and bribery. I just don’t see how people can bitch about Solyandra or unions then defend this corporate socialism garbage. If one is consistent it’s either all cool or all bad. I believe it’s all part of a filthy and ruined system of corruption.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

150 million annually for 23 years if Boeing meets its promise of 8000 jobs. [/quote]

This is the accountability. If those 8000 jobs are not kept the entire 23 years they loose the tax break and the state gets to claw back all the tax breaks from the past.
[/quote]

Small price for Boeing to pay, massive price for Missouri taxpayers. No doubt Boeing is laughing all the way to the bank on this. 8000 jobs for close to 2 billion in incentives when you’re already a multi billion dollar corporation? Its good to be king. Like. I said don’t worry they will cut low income housing and increase working stiffs taxes and all will be well.

If your trying to figure out who comes out best look towards the team making all these demands. You want us to come here you better be willing to give us everything we want. Corruption at its finest. Nothing to see here, the power of the “free” market at work. [/quote]

The math on that actually looks pretty good. Lets say that the average wage of those 8000 people is 30K. Thats a gross of 240 million dollars into the states economy, minus 150 million gives a net of +90 million dollars per year. And all of those 240 million dollars made every year are going to get taxed out the wazoo, just like everybody else.
[/quote]

Yeah, corporate socialism like I said. Redistribution of wealth. Taking money from some and redistributing it to others. That money in the economy? Thats Missouri taxpayers wealth being taken from them to give to Boeing who gives some back to a select few. Missouri taxpayers lose. Some Missouri workers win based off that loss. It’s good for those people. It’s great for Boeing. It’s taking from some and giving to others. Socialism. [/quote]

This is a manufacturing facility, right? So they will be building airplanes which have guaranteed funds for their purchase. That is rock solid income for the entire state. It’s not like a fleet owner just calls up Boeing and says “Hey! Build me a hundred 767s for the next couple years. Don’t worry about the dough. I’m good for it.”.

Put simply, you aren’t accounting for the fact that they are creating real assets which are sold at a profit. It isn’t a closed loop of money. There is more being put into that system from all over the world.

It is the facilitation of capitalism.

[/quote]

No doubt they are highly profitable which is why all this taxpayer funded help is unnecessary. It’s taking from some and giving to them and they will redistribute it some. At the end the poor and middle class will fund them getting even richer. It’s not that no one wins, and it is nowhere near capitalism. The fact that a good is produced at the end doesn’t make it ok because if you are of that mind then any taking of taxpayer money is a net positive as long as a company produces a good.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

150 million annually for 23 years if Boeing meets its promise of 8000 jobs. [/quote]

This is the accountability. If those 8000 jobs are not kept the entire 23 years they loose the tax break and the state gets to claw back all the tax breaks from the past.
[/quote]

Small price for Boeing to pay, massive price for Missouri taxpayers. No doubt Boeing is laughing all the way to the bank on this. 8000 jobs for close to 2 billion in incentives when you’re already a multi billion dollar corporation? Its good to be king. Like. I said don’t worry they will cut low income housing and increase working stiffs taxes and all will be well. [/quote]

I see your point, and agree to a certain point. Instead of hating the rich join them. Purchase the investments they purchase, and reap the benefits that they get. You want to be poor do what the poor do.

To be very honest I wish the playing field was level for all companies and individuals. It is just not so. Some states have more regulations and taxes. Some states are “Right to Work” States and some aren’t. The landscape is all over the place. So companies and Individuals have to find a place that benefits them the most, and that is why companies and individuals keep moving to different states.
[/quote]

I don’t hate the rich I hate corruption and massive government involvement in the economy.[/quote]

I do to, but until taxing and over regulation are abolished then every company and individual has to do what benefits them most. At least the company and the individual has a choice of where they live, work, and produce.
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I don’t blame Boeing, they are doing what’s best. Taking from taxpayers and forcing sweetheart deals with massive influence and bribery. I just don’t see how people can bitch about Solyandra or unions then defend this corporate socialism garbage. If one is consistent it’s either all cool or all bad. I believe it’s all part of a filthy and ruined system of corruption. [/quote]

How can you claim bribery? You have proof? Now Solyndra and Unions side with only one side of the aisle. They spent millions and millions of dollars to get certain people elected so that they can get sweetheart deals.

Boeing, is negotiating with current politicians. I doubt they are bribing those politicians because that would be illegal. What unions and companies do to get politicians elected is not considered bribery, but you and I both know it is corruption. Boeing just asks for a proposal and they can either negotiate or go with the city or state that gives them the best deal.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

150 million annually for 23 years if Boeing meets its promise of 8000 jobs. [/quote]

This is the accountability. If those 8000 jobs are not kept the entire 23 years they loose the tax break and the state gets to claw back all the tax breaks from the past.
[/quote]

Small price for Boeing to pay, massive price for Missouri taxpayers. No doubt Boeing is laughing all the way to the bank on this. 8000 jobs for close to 2 billion in incentives when you’re already a multi billion dollar corporation? Its good to be king. Like. I said don’t worry they will cut low income housing and increase working stiffs taxes and all will be well.

If your trying to figure out who comes out best look towards the team making all these demands. You want us to come here you better be willing to give us everything we want. Corruption at its finest. Nothing to see here, the power of the “free” market at work. [/quote]

The math on that actually looks pretty good. Lets say that the average wage of those 8000 people is 30K. Thats a gross of 240 million dollars into the states economy, minus 150 million gives a net of +90 million dollars per year. And all of those 240 million dollars made every year are going to get taxed out the wazoo, just like everybody else.
[/quote]

Yeah, corporate socialism like I said. Redistribution of wealth. Taking money from some and redistributing it to others. That money in the economy? Thats Missouri taxpayers wealth being taken from them to give to Boeing who gives some back to a select few. Missouri taxpayers lose. Some Missouri workers win based off that loss. It’s good for those people. It’s great for Boeing. It’s taking from some and giving to others. Socialism. [/quote]

This is a manufacturing facility, right? So they will be building airplanes which have guaranteed funds for their purchase. That is rock solid income for the entire state. It’s not like a fleet owner just calls up Boeing and says “Hey! Build me a hundred 767s for the next couple years. Don’t worry about the dough. I’m good for it.”.

Put simply, you aren’t accounting for the fact that they are creating real assets which are sold at a profit. It isn’t a closed loop of money. There is more being put into that system from all over the world.

It is the facilitation of capitalism.

[/quote]

No doubt they are highly profitable which is why all this taxpayer funded help is unnecessary. It’s taking from some and giving to them and they will redistribute it some. At the end the poor and middle class will fund them getting even richer. It’s not that no one wins, and it is nowhere near capitalism. The fact that a good is produced at the end doesn’t make it ok because if you are of that mind then any taking of taxpayer money is a net positive as long as a company produces a good. [/quote]

You’re intentionally being obtuse. It’s not the fact that an object is produced. A profit is produced and a massive amount of income is produced. The state and local govs. knows that it will recoup any tax losses through the incomes produced and a massive increase in the circulation of money and development of derivative businesses.

I’m telling you this from a local economy that perfected this strategy back in the early '80’s and has become one of the most stable and liveable places in the US.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

150 million annually for 23 years if Boeing meets its promise of 8000 jobs. [/quote]

This is the accountability. If those 8000 jobs are not kept the entire 23 years they loose the tax break and the state gets to claw back all the tax breaks from the past.
[/quote]

Small price for Boeing to pay, massive price for Missouri taxpayers. No doubt Boeing is laughing all the way to the bank on this. 8000 jobs for close to 2 billion in incentives when you’re already a multi billion dollar corporation? Its good to be king. Like. I said don’t worry they will cut low income housing and increase working stiffs taxes and all will be well. [/quote]

I see your point, and agree to a certain point. Instead of hating the rich join them. Purchase the investments they purchase, and reap the benefits that they get. You want to be poor do what the poor do.

To be very honest I wish the playing field was level for all companies and individuals. It is just not so. Some states have more regulations and taxes. Some states are “Right to Work” States and some aren’t. The landscape is all over the place. So companies and Individuals have to find a place that benefits them the most, and that is why companies and individuals keep moving to different states.
[/quote]

I don’t hate the rich I hate corruption and massive government involvement in the economy.[/quote]

I do to, but until taxing and over regulation are abolished then every company and individual has to do what benefits them most. At least the company and the individual has a choice of where they live, work, and produce.
[/quote]

I don’t blame Boeing, they are doing what’s best. Taking from taxpayers and forcing sweetheart deals with massive influence and bribery. I just don’t see how people can bitch about Solyandra or unions then defend this corporate socialism garbage. If one is consistent it’s either all cool or all bad. I believe it’s all part of a filthy and ruined system of corruption. [/quote]

How can you claim bribery? You have proof? Now Solyndra and Unions side with only one side of the aisle. They spent millions and millions of dollars to get certain people elected so that they can get sweetheart deals.

Boeing, is negotiating with current politicians. I doubt they are bribing those politicians because that would be illegal. What unions and companies do to get politicians elected is not considered bribery, but you and I both know it is corruption. Boeing just asks for a proposal and they can either negotiate or go with the city or state that gives them the best deal.
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We will build our site in your state but we want you to fund the land, equipment, and we don’t want to pay taxes. If you can’t do it we will find a state that can. If their offer increases you better up your offer or your out.

How is that not corruption? Lol at negotiations. You want us you better pony up big time. You better pay up big time over time or forget about. Some bargaining. Honestly you are really stretching trying to claim unions/solyandra are bad and this is ok. Don’t play ball just because it is republicans and not democrats. It’s all the same cesspool.