U.S. to Shed 824,000 More Jobs!

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]BigJawnMize wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]BigJawnMize wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Here, I’ll save the “O” worshippers the trouble:

“… it’s Bush’s fault”[/quote]

I am not an “O” supporter, but shit 800,000 jobs lost was the one month total near the end of Bush’s term.[/quote]

Apparently you were not one of those 800,000.
Remember, this is simply the amount of job loses that were understated in that time frame. Said another way, you could go back and add another 70,000 job loses per month to the previous stated totals. It is a big deal.
Even bigger, we are still using this same method today. So the question begs, what is our real unemployment rate now?[/quote]

If we read unemployment like they did back in the great depression I would not be surprised if we are close to 20%.
[/quote]

No doubt on either of these points. I just think that you can’t blame O for the job losses per se. Some of it you can blame on Bush. And a pretty good chunk of it you can blame on Clinton. The only thing I think you can blame O for is how he has handled the economy since he has taken over, in which the stimilus hasn’t lead to any real GDP recovery.

I suspect our “underemployement” rate is over 30%. Which in a way I don’t mind. Currently I am over employeed because I choose to be, I have my job and do consulting work on the side. I don’t think anyone here would complain about that and frankly if some of the underemployed would get off their asses I wouldn’t be overemployeed. [/quote]

Here is a big part of the overall problem. I am not that concerned with assigning blame. There is plenty to go around.

What I am very concerned about is acknowledging reality. You cannot address a problem that you do not first recognize. [/quote]

500 (taxable) PWI points for you.

That was the point of my stupid little comment. I don’t give a flying fuck about hearing who’s fault it is-- just fucking fix it, or shut up.

I get handed problems created by other people every single day. It doesn’t matter that it was a customer fuck up, a colleague fuck up, or my boss’ fuck up. My job is to FIX it, because I convinced my company I was the guy to fix their shit when I ‘campaigned’ for my job during the interview process.

If I never fixed the problem, but only lamented how I wasn’t the one to blame, I’d lose my job pretty quickly.[/quote]

But your such a nice husband and father. You take your wife out to eat at expensive restraunts on your employers tab, then you fly her around the world and make sure she has as many assistants she wants (read: not needs like Obama wants all of us to do) on your bosses tab. And you install a few basketball courts in your boss’ parking lot to show up your boss even though he doesn’t give a fuck. Of course that is on your bosses tab too. Oh yes, you fly in your boses helicopter to show your boss what a great dad you are by watching your daughters play soccer…on your bosses tab. Why would he be upset at you, makes no sense to me. Wouldn’t have to worry about this if we had anarchy. Just saying.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]BigJawnMize wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]BigJawnMize wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Here, I’ll save the “O” worshippers the trouble:

“… it’s Bush’s fault”[/quote]

I am not an “O” supporter, but shit 800,000 jobs lost was the one month total near the end of Bush’s term.[/quote]

Apparently you were not one of those 800,000.
Remember, this is simply the amount of job loses that were understated in that time frame. Said another way, you could go back and add another 70,000 job loses per month to the previous stated totals. It is a big deal.
Even bigger, we are still using this same method today. So the question begs, what is our real unemployment rate now?[/quote]

If we read unemployment like they did back in the great depression I would not be surprised if we are close to 20%.
[/quote]

No doubt on either of these points. I just think that you can’t blame O for the job losses per se. Some of it you can blame on Bush. And a pretty good chunk of it you can blame on Clinton. The only thing I think you can blame O for is how he has handled the economy since he has taken over, in which the stimilus hasn’t lead to any real GDP recovery.

I suspect our “underemployement” rate is over 30%. Which in a way I don’t mind. Currently I am over employeed because I choose to be, I have my job and do consulting work on the side. I don’t think anyone here would complain about that and frankly if some of the underemployed would get off their asses I wouldn’t be overemployeed. [/quote]

Here is a big part of the overall problem. I am not that concerned with assigning blame. There is plenty to go around.

What I am very concerned about is acknowledging reality. You cannot address a problem that you do not first recognize. [/quote]

500 (taxable) PWI points for you.

That was the point of my stupid little comment. I don’t give a flying fuck about hearing who’s fault it is-- just fucking fix it, or shut up.

I get handed problems created by other people every single day. It doesn’t matter that it was a customer fuck up, a colleague fuck up, or my boss’ fuck up. My job is to FIX it, because I convinced my company I was the guy to fix their shit when I ‘campaigned’ for my job during the interview process.

If I never fixed the problem, but only lamented how I wasn’t the one to blame, I’d lose my job pretty quickly.[/quote]

But your such a nice husband and father. You take your wife out to eat at expensive restraunts on your employers tab, then you fly her around the world and make sure she has as many assistants she wants (read: not needs like Obama wants all of us to do) on your bosses tab. And you install a few basketball courts in your boss’ parking lot to show up your boss even though he doesn’t give a fuck. Of course that is on your bosses tab too. Oh yes, you fly in your boses helicopter to show your boss what a great dad you are by watching your daughters play soccer…on your bosses tab. Why would he be upset at you, makes no sense to me. Wouldn’t have to worry about this if we had anarchy. Just saying.[/quote]

Yeah, but my boss just bills it all back to the paying customers :wink:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]BigJawnMize wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]BigJawnMize wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Here, I’ll save the “O” worshippers the trouble:

“… it’s Bush’s fault”[/quote]

I am not an “O” supporter, but shit 800,000 jobs lost was the one month total near the end of Bush’s term.[/quote]

Apparently you were not one of those 800,000.
Remember, this is simply the amount of job loses that were understated in that time frame. Said another way, you could go back and add another 70,000 job loses per month to the previous stated totals. It is a big deal.
Even bigger, we are still using this same method today. So the question begs, what is our real unemployment rate now?[/quote]

If we read unemployment like they did back in the great depression I would not be surprised if we are close to 20%.
[/quote]

No doubt on either of these points. I just think that you can’t blame O for the job losses per se. Some of it you can blame on Bush. And a pretty good chunk of it you can blame on Clinton. The only thing I think you can blame O for is how he has handled the economy since he has taken over, in which the stimilus hasn’t lead to any real GDP recovery.

I suspect our “underemployement” rate is over 30%. Which in a way I don’t mind. Currently I am over employeed because I choose to be, I have my job and do consulting work on the side. I don’t think anyone here would complain about that and frankly if some of the underemployed would get off their asses I wouldn’t be overemployeed. [/quote]

Here is a big part of the overall problem. I am not that concerned with assigning blame. There is plenty to go around.

What I am very concerned about is acknowledging reality. You cannot address a problem that you do not first recognize. [/quote]

500 (taxable) PWI points for you.

That was the point of my stupid little comment. I don’t give a flying fuck about hearing who’s fault it is-- just fucking fix it, or shut up.

I get handed problems created by other people every single day. It doesn’t matter that it was a customer fuck up, a colleague fuck up, or my boss’ fuck up. My job is to FIX it, because I convinced my company I was the guy to fix their shit when I ‘campaigned’ for my job during the interview process.

If I never fixed the problem, but only lamented how I wasn’t the one to blame, I’d lose my job pretty quickly.[/quote]

But your such a nice husband and father. You take your wife out to eat at expensive restraunts on your employers tab, then you fly her around the world and make sure she has as many assistants she wants (read: not needs like Obama wants all of us to do) on your bosses tab. And you install a few basketball courts in your boss’ parking lot to show up your boss even though he doesn’t give a fuck. Of course that is on your bosses tab too. Oh yes, you fly in your boses helicopter to show your boss what a great dad you are by watching your daughters play soccer…on your bosses tab. Why would he be upset at you, makes no sense to me. Wouldn’t have to worry about this if we had anarchy. Just saying.[/quote]

Yeah, but my boss just bills it all back to the paying customers ;)[/quote]

Fuck your boss, well I guess if I was still talking about Obama I’d be telling myself to fuck myself now wouldn’t I? Yes, I suggest we all determine who becomes president by using the qualifications if he is a good father and husband. At least we wouldn’t have any people coming out of Chicago again. And we wouldn’t be worrying about if Obama could do the job if we had anarchy. Just saying.