U.S. Hegemony on the Decline

Was talking about HIV… the disease… and how a cure mediated through genetic editing could pave the way for cures to other serious genetic disease

I lament those who are unhappy about a cure being found for the disease… dim views on homosexuality don’t factor into my irritation.

Some were unhappy as they believe using gene editing to cure disease is akin to ‘playing god’.

I say they can get stuffed… they aren’t living with an incurable disease (hereditary, spontaneous mutation or acquired). Finding cures for previously incurable diseases is not a bad thing…

Imagine if we found a preventative genetic modification that made it impossible for someone to develop congestive heart failure and someone said “that’s terrible! Now what will prevent people from doing unhealthy things that cause heart failure! We shouldn’t release that cure!”

I want a cure for connective tissue diseases. As these diseases are genetic (spontaneous mutation or inherited). Developments like using genetic editing to cure disease seems like a plus to me

Puts us on the right track.

msirp

I’m not Sam Harris

I’m a potato

I see, although I’ve never met someone who expressed his dismay for finding a cure to HIV. It appears some are out there.

My other inquiry from yesterday regarding China. You mentioned possible rule from China in the future and that I should care about China. Would this be done from an invasion of the USA? Like we’re all gonna be speakin’ Mandarin?

Part of the American zeitgeist (and related to the thread as the zeitgeist is a destructive one) is the push to care or feel bad about something or some people on a constant basis with new ones introduced as time goes on. In the midst of this, last week, I asked myself, “Do those pushing this care about me, my family, my friends, my community, and above all, my children and the aforesaid’s children?” I even asked a friend and an uncle the same questions. Our black-pilled conclusion: No, they don’t! So, being I’m a two-way-street kind of guy, I don’t care either. Does that sound fair? I think so.

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Again are you brain damaged brother? Obviously the fucking arabs under the ottomans spoke arabic etc. Literally thats the point, they didn’t impose their language on the people they ruled. Unlike western nations. Your country was sterilizing native american women up till the 80s lol.

No. Dimwit.

They had smatterings of tribal languages, no official or formally structured language.

:rofl:

I got a challenge for you. And I’m offering you an apology for a polite and mature challenge if I have you wrong. If I have you wrong, I’m sorry (for real). I think it’s fair considering your lengthy, challenging posts to me.

Everyone else is free to comment too, obviously.
I see you said that this is stupid. Well, American culture is now violent, slovenly, vulgar, hateful, and hyper sexualized, and that goes for its social institutions like education, schools that is, which is part of culture.

I can write several scary incidents in schools coming to roost in my own county, and that goes for “nice neighborhoods” too. Which is why many parents and teachers have been complaining to officials and/or have opted to homeschool. And I’m talking about violent assault, ammo found in a high school, a knife found on an elementary school bus, and stabbings! This, in addition to the lunatic things being taught and shown in classrooms and illiteracy throughout the country, and school shootings, female students dressed as street walkers (dress is part of culture) , and sexual abuse amongst students (which I too witnessed as a student way back) and from teachers unto children.

Some of us homeschool, using our time and resources to not have mentally or physically traumatized or dead or incompetent children in towns that pay thousands of taxes for and under normal circumstances we’d use the schools for which we pay these taxes.

Get this: a friend of mine is paying $50k per year to send two kids to private school. That, in addition to the 30k he pays in taxes, partly for the schools could have been going to under normal circumstances! That’s a total of 80k per year, which is above the median salary here.

This past Sunday, some days after the Nashville school shooting, and a streak of violent incidents at schools on Long Island, including what should be considered felony assault to my friend’s/co-workers (he’s going to soon be featured in the news) son, my wife looked distraught and told me she felt anxious. I asked why, knowing what she likely was going to tell me, and she answered with exactly what I suspected!

So, you said this “culture war” is stupid. And by that logic, all of those concerned and scared parents, normal people earning livings and raising children, and not bothering or victimizing others, making a stink are engaged in such s stupid war. Is that so? It’s either that or you are not including all of what makes up culture. And if the latter is the case, then I take these words back.

I consider this peculiar given this reality and your input while not living here, not raising children here, and your age, and your current station in life (a student). Is that reasonable considering I’m a middle aged man raising children?

Can you understand my or others point of view? That is, how it feels to have this happen around me and increasingly worsen while looking at my 3 and 6 year olds faces. And then to have these concerns considered part of something stupid?

And related to my post above. Who feels sorry for us (the people I described) except us? No one!

And yes, all this has to do with the decline of America. So I’m not derailing. And I don’t hate America. I hate those driving America into the ground!

And people reminding me, “hey, violent crime was higher in the past” is hugely dismissive! Consider the streak and uptick in subway and street crime in NYC. My cousin works in Manhattan, which means my uncle and others worry for her safety everyday. Some women have told me they now stand in front of walls and must be on guard for fear of violent attacks and being thrown onto tracks. This is not a normal way to live; it is pathetic.
She once got screamed at from a car while walking on the street, “white bitch!” Imagine telling her or my family, “Hey, what are you worried about? Crime was higher in the 80s.”

And who feels sorry for us? Almost no one! Not that I need them to, but I’d like for others not to try to sap my mental energies for things and people I can’t control or help, especially those who are working to harm my children.

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Not exactly true.

Ottoman Turkish is the variety of the Turkish language that was used in the Ottoman Empire. Ottoman Turkish was based on Anatolian Turkish and used in the Ottoman Empire for administrative and literary language between 1299 to 1923.

No they didn’t the Ottomans all spoke the exact same language which became standard modern Turkish. This is like saying Mancunians and Scousers speak different languages. Its the most retarded thing ive heard. Also what exactly is your point? My point was that the Europeans forced their language on natives. Turks didn’t force any of their supposed different languages on anyone despite conquering half the globe.

Maybe learn how to stick to the points actually being made lol ?

Wrong.

The “Violent crime was higher in the past so things are better now” argument ignores America used leaded gasoline for decades and lead in paint that created an enormous rise in violent crime. So the drop after removing those things isn’t evidence of things getting better, its just a huge factor has been removed.

America is worse now because the entire fabric of society has been eroded. The only people fighting back are fundamentalist Christians and Muslims and just as Europe forces you to send your kid to a state school, like in France, and Britain etc criminalizes you protesting LGBT and sex ed lessons for your 11 year olds, America is on that same trajectory.

Youll lose your guns, you’ll lose your right to home-school and you’ll lose your right to opt out of any system. Weve now got Tommy Robinson a far right anti muslim founder of the EDL saying we need to unite with Muslims as Christians as that’s the only two groups opposing this stuff. Birmingham council put a gagf order on 1400 parents, 200 christians 1200 muslims for protesting lgbt lessons and saying they would take their kids out of school. They were bullied by a court who slapped a no protest order on them and told them social services could take their children if they pulled them out in the middle of the school year.

Meanwhile Americans can be tricked into hating Muslims for not being pro lgbt and pro democracy and for refusing to assimilate into modern liberal nihilism. Its not the Muslims destroying America its the people telling you to allow unlimited immigration, abandon traditional values and give the state unlimited power to meddle in your personal lives.

Once the guns go American traditionalists are fucked. Do not give them up.

Can you show me what countries are speaking Turkish today as a legacy of Ottoman rule, like half of Africa speaks French and almost all of Latin and Central America speak Spanish and Portugses?

Please actually provide evidence. Thanks.

Because it’s a useless language outside of Turkey. No one wants to learn it. No one outside of Turkey needs to learn it.

They will just get more brutal. Those folks will not give up their holy land without using their nukes.

If the US starts to hurt very very badly, I think the US will start spreading democracy more than ever before.

A declining US is not a good thing for the world - at all in many ways.

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Ah yes this old diatribe from the ignorant.

Considering I am Native American - I call bullshit on this. I have a canned response to this as it is often spouted and I am 2 generations removed from the reservation.

What we see here is a prime example of what is called “presentism”. Presentism is when historical accounts are judged by the standards of the present. Most scholars will agree that it is a rather ignorant way to look at the past.

So let’s instead look at what was acceptable, and encouraged during the time of colonial America. Throughout much of history (including the 1600’s) it was normal for a conquering army to claim the lands of their defeated foe. This is a practice that goes back into antiquity with the Persian, Greeks Romans, Egyptian, Israelis, Chinese and many other cultures taking part.

Taking land by conquest was also a part of Native American culture. Creek Indians conquered land from Choctaws and Chickasaws and the Creeks. Comanches came in and took the land from the Apaches by war, Aztecs, Incas and Mayans all grew their empires by conquering lands from other tribes. The Tainos and Canib tribes fought over land. When Spain Defeated the Aztec empire, the did so with an army of 1,000 Spanish soldiers and 75,000 soldiers from the Tlaxcallans, Choulatecs and Totonac tribes.

The practice of claiming the land of conquered enemies extended well past the colonization of America. It wasn’t until the conclusion of World War II in 1945 that western culture shunned the practice (and even then, the Soviet Union claimed Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Austria, and many other territories as part of their victory spoils).

To claim “white Europeans” “stole” America from the native tribes is to force the cultural norms of the past 50 years (that white Europeans created) on events that happened hundreds of years earlier. That is just ignorant.

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We will destroy that racist settler colonial state. Cowards can’t fight, look what a good hiding they get every time they put boots on the ground. Unless they are bombing babies in their beds the pussies get their shit pushed in ever time. Unless they have help from America of course.

Bin Laden literally chose to attack America for something Israel did. They dropped two towers full of civillians too. Yet keep worshipping the people who make the world hate you.

I haven’t looked into that. Thanks for the suggestion.

If that’s the case, then so be it. But the enormous increase in the amount of crime in America since the 1960s is a direct result of the destruction of social institutions that kept anti-social behavior in check! Many Americans don’t like that take, because it forces them to look in the mirror. And the incredibly simple logic of “crack, bro” doesn’t cut it.

I believe they like to use the “but it’s always been bad” or “it was worse” ploys to make at as if they are above it all and that the person with increased risk or threat is uptight. Like I’m gonna tell my uncle, “Whatcha worried about bro? You live through tha 80’s. Ain’t no biggie. Bad thing are always happening,” as if the annual increase of 60 percent in subway crime is nothing to take notice of.

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I see your religious fanatic hatred bleeding through. I never said I was a huge fan of Israel. I could care less what happens in the middle east. I don’t worship Israel and I am not religious or into holy wars over some dead fuck that was a pedophile.

Israel isn’t a legitimate state just like the apartheid regime wasn’t. Israel murders christians and muslims and it is a terror state. Christians have been the leaders of most Palestinian parties fighting Israel, yet the traitors in America licking jewish feet as their christian brothers and sisters are massacred will pay in the next life I am sure.