Have any of you 9/11 Truthers ever heard of “fog of war”?
mike
[quote]Limbic wrote:
Mister Khan, why are you answering for John S? How close are you? lol?
You probably chose your username to deflect attention from Pakistan’s Khan, another ongoing problem of the present conservadmin. Clumsy bunch, keystone-like.[/quote]
Finding conspiracies everywhere I see.
Typical.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Have any of you 9/11 Truthers ever heard of “fog of war”?
mike[/quote]
Anyone else get a Starcraft flashback?
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
Have any of you 9/11 Truthers ever heard of “fog of war”?
mike
Anyone else get a Starcraft flashback?[/quote]
“There is no cow level”
[quote]Limbic wrote:
John S. wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA, where do you find this crap?
Actually it was a re-direct from an NSA mole assigned to … the Air Force Academy, a personal friend of mine.
lol[/quote]
Well then your friend sounds like a tool. Oh and by the way if you didn’t know about me I am on a medical discharge for 2 years from the Army so me being army what is my opinion worth to you? You will also find that The majority of the Army’s officers and enlisted do not think that crap. please try better next time.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Have any of you 9/11 Truthers ever heard of “fog of war”?
mike[/quote]
That usually occurs during, not “after”. Of course, for you it IS during …
The Clumsiness
Like “this”?
Dick has persistent facial tic.
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
So, what do these guys think really happened?
Right here is pretty much the whole hijack scenerio laid out six months BEFORE 9/11
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That pilot was interesting to say the least. I have seen it before.
So what if terrorists blow up the Statue of Liberty? Are you going to say “Cloverfield” predicted it?
Is the Hollywood writers strike actually a plot by our government to stop terrorist attacks by stopping writers from thinking them up??
What a conspiracy!!
Seriously, if the Pentagon was hit by a missile, what happened to the plane, passengers that was supposed to have hit it?
Why hijack planes if you’ve got bombs planted on every floor in three buildings?
[quote]Limbic wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
So, what do these guys think really happened?
Inside StratCom on Sept. 11 Offutt Exercise Took Real-life Twist
When terrorists struck America on September 11, U.S. bombers were sitting gassed up on the ground, armed with nuclear weapons, as part of an annual war exercise.
The scene at NORAD on Sept. 11: Playing Russian war games… and then someone shouted to look at the monitor
Deep inside a mountain in Colorado and far beneath the granite of North Bay, members of the North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD) are at full “battle staff” levels for a major annual exercise that tests every facet of the organization.
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OK, I’m not a military strategist, but what good would 11 nuclear bombers be against hijacked planes? Besides foiled plots in France and over the Pacific, there was no precedent for this type of attack. No one conceived at the time these planes would be used as weapons.
Any failures in communication about pre-attack intelligence was total incompetence, but if the same scenario were to happen again, I think the government and military would be better prepared.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
So, what do these guys think really happened?
Right here is pretty much the whole hijack scenerio laid out six months BEFORE 9/11
. . .
That pilot was interesting to say the least. I have seen it before.
So what if terrorists blow up the Statue of Liberty? Are you going to say “Cloverfield” predicted it?
Is the Hollywood writers strike actually a plot by our government to stop terrorist attacks by stopping writers from thinking them up??
What a conspiracy!!
Seriously, if the Pentagon was hit by a missile, what happened to the plane, passengers that was supposed to have hit it?
Why hijack planes if you’ve got bombs planted on every floor in three buildings?[/quote]
Just wondering, how many bodies were actually recovered from the Pentagon? Anybody know?
Don’t know about the number, but met a guy who had a friend who died there.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Don’t know about the number, but met a guy who had a friend who died there.[/quote]
125 Pentagon workers died.
(The Wikipedia site even has security camera film of low resolution that shows the Pentagon as Flight 77 crashes into it.
(And I suppose that was faked by some all-encompassing conspiracy.)
So why is it that the Conspira-Trolls have all these theories and do not have the intellectual curiosity to find out simple facts?
This gum-flapper, Limbic, is now consigned to the Limbo of the Bogus.
Why do I bother.
For identification of 757 debris…
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml
Ya know, Sloth, maybe they, like, made a special missile with a Rotating engine disk, and a Rolls-Royce RB211-535 turbofan on it.
Yeah, thats it. . .
(Hey, good info. there)
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Why do I bother.
For identification of 757 debris…
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml[/quote]
Indeed.
George Nelson
Colonel, USAF (ret.):
“not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view.”
“It would be impossible for an ordinary fire resulting from an airplane crash to destroy or obliterate all of those critical time-change parts or their serial numbers. I repeat, impossible.”
“In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft �?? and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. This is because every military and civilian passenger-carrying aircraft have many parts that are identified for safety of flight.”
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Don’t know about the number, but met a guy who had a friend who died there.
125 Pentagon workers died.
(The Wikipedia site even has security camera film of low resolution that shows the Pentagon as Flight 77 crashes into it.
(And I suppose that was faked by some all-encompassing conspiracy.)
So why is it that the Conspira-Trolls have all these theories and do not have the intellectual curiosity to find out simple facts?
This gum-flapper, Limbic, is now consigned to the Limbo of the Bogus.[/quote]
Did they ever report the recovery of the bodies of the airliner passengers, or did they disappear into the quantum realm?
And what were your search terms on wiki so I’m not fumbling around forever locating your film? or a link?
Dick Tic Cheney loves you. lol
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Why do I bother.
For identification of 757 debris…
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml
[/quote]
This link clarifies much about the flight path.
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0274.shtml
The link you provided is the appropriate response for the Pentagon event.
edit: 404: File Not Found. Both these links were good 'tl the next day?
From the link I posted yesterday, above, about the flight path the diagram given for the path would have the airliner striking at a relatively low angle of incidence on one of the five sides of the Pentagon. Pictures should show effects that reflect that path?
"In July 1965 I had just been commissioned as a Second Lieutenant in the U. S. Air Force after taking a solemn oath that I would protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and that I would bear true faith and allegiance to the same. I took that oath very seriously. It was my constant companion throughout a thirty-year military career in the field of aircraft maintenance.
As an additional duty, aircraft maintenance officers are occasionally tasked as members of aircraft accident investigation boards and my personal experience was no exception. In 1989 I graduated from the Aircraft Mishap Investigation Course at the Institute of Safety and Systems Management at the University of Southern California. In addition to my direct participation as an aircraft accident investigator, I reviewed countless aircraft accident investigation reports for thoroughness and comprehensive conclusions for the Inspector General, HQ Pacific Air Forces during the height of the Vietnam conflict.
In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft �?? and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. This is because every military and civilian passenger-carrying aircraft have many parts that are identified for safety of flight. That is, if any of the parts were to fail at any time during a flight, the failure would likely result in the catastrophic loss of aircraft and passengers. Consequently, these parts are individually controlled by a distinctive serial number and tracked by a records section of the maintenance operation and by another section called plans and scheduling.
Following a certain number of flying hours or, in the case of landing gears, a certain number of takeoff-and-landing cycles, these critical parts are required to be changed, overhauled or inspected by specialist mechanics. When these parts are installed, their serial numbers are married to the aircraft registration numbers in the aircraft records and the plans and scheduling section will notify maintenance specialists when the parts must be replaced. If the parts are not replaced within specified time or cycle limits, the airplane will normally be grounded until the maintenance action is completed. Most of these time-change parts, whether hydraulic flight surface actuators , pumps, landing gears, engines or engine components, are virtually indestructible. It would be impossible for an ordinary fire resulting from an airplane crash to destroy or obliterate all of those critical time-change parts or their serial numbers. I repeat, impossible.
Considering the catastrophic incidents of September 11 2001, certain troubling but irrefutable conclusions must be drawn from the known facts. I get no personal pleasure or satisfaction from reporting my own assessment of these facts.
The Bush administration has provided no public evidence to support its claim that the terror attacks were the work of Muslim extremists or even that the aircraft that struck their respective targets on September 11 were as advertised.
It would be a simple matter to confirm that they were - if they were. Until such proof is forthcoming, the opposite claim must be kept in mind as a precaution against rushing to judgment: the 911 hijackings were part of a black operation carried out with the cooperation of elements in our government.
Probable path of Flight 77 as it approached the Pentagon