TSA Encounter at SAN

The Government Accountability Office had previously pointed to repeated covert test failures by TSA personnel. In July 2007, The Times Union of Albany, New York reported that TSA screeners at Albany International Airport failed multiple covert security tests conducted by the TSA, including the failure to detect a fake bomb. On May 4, 2007, the Associated Press reported that a computer hard drive containing Social Security numbers, bank data, and payroll information for about 100,000 employees had been lost from TSA headquarters. Some locks indicate that they have been opened by the TSA. The TSA accepts and recognizes two vendors of TSA locks,.

http://www.atsqol.org/Transportation-Security-Administration.html

Screeners at Newark Liberty International Airport failed 20 of 22 security tests conducted by undercover U.S. agents last week, missing an array of concealed bombs and guns at checkpoints throughout the hub’s three terminals, federal security officials familiar with the results said.

The tests, conducted Oct. 19 by U.S. Transportation Security Administration “Red Team” agents, also revealed significant failures by screeners to follow standard operating procedures while checking passengers and their baggage for prohibited items, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because it is against TSA policy to release covert-test results.

Sooooo,

what we have here is an organization of basically high school dropouts, with an enormous turnover rate, that fails to find up to 60-70% of all bombs in the best of circumstances, warns its employees when they are tested and yet fails anyway and goes after anyone exposing its incompetence.

And all for the mere pittance of billions of dollars a year while blatantly violating the 4th amendment.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized .

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Why not just have a Passenger 57 on every plane? You guys have enough troops right?

Isn’t Snipes in jail? Sounds like a conspiracy.

This is an interesting, and typically Muslim-pandering, development: the "self pat-down for Muslim women…suggested by your not so friendl;y neighbourhood bullyjihadis CAIR…:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/11/report-napolitano-considering-hamas-linked-cairs-demands-for-muslim-women-in-airports-including-the.html

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Searching for explosives (or toxins or whatever) is stupid. They are too easy to hide, and there are too many other ways to take down a plane.

If you want to take down a plane in the middle of the Atlantic, go buy a couple of bottles of high proof vodka at the duty free store on the other side of security, add some Ivory Snow soap chips, a rag, and ignite with a strike-anywhere camping match you jammed in your hoochie. Two or three guys come out of the Lavs in concert would take down any plane, smashing the Molotovs in concert.

In Israel we search for terrorists. It’s a much more effective screeening tool.

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Jewbacca, yours was the exact country I had in mind as I was typing.

Would you mind letting us in on just a little bit about how airport security works in Israel? I’d love to hear it.
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Cortes, why not just take a quick trip to Israel and experience it for yourself? You’ll be amazed at how relatively straightforward and focused it is. Plus, you’ll have a chance to get some interesting souvenirs, meet some nice Israeli hotties, and get bossed around by bus drivers!

For a taste of the bizarre, don’t forget the Tel Aviv bus station! You’ll get lost and disoriented so buy a felafel first, with lots of little felafel balls to stuff in your ears when the Arabic music wails loudly nearby.
Once you’ve escaped the scene, have a tranquil walk by the beach, check out the Bauhaus architecture, and then go to Jerusalem for the religious infighting, the sandstone buildings and the Wall.

Gotta check out the Wall! Put a little prayer in the brick crevices, catch a bus back to Tel Aviv, go for a swim, and back to the airport, where you can see what the procedures are like on the way out. No security guards will try to feel you up, and the airport itself is very cute.

At least that’s what I dimly recall - haven’t been there for years. :slight_smile:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized .

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As a true-blooded American, you must be outraged & incensed!

Oh, wait, you’re NOT American. In fact, you routinely denigrate Americans.

So, why is it that you’re SO invested in this again?

Must be a REALLY good reason, since we all know how important “staying out of others’ business” is to a good Austrian like you…

I guess so long as it gives your life meaning…

And thanks for your concern![/quote]

So I grab your testicles?

No?

Then I guess I stay out of your business.

Airport body scanners are ‘just as likely to kill you as terrorist bombs’

The airport X-ray scanner has been touted as one of the best ways to prevent a future terrorist attack.

But now a leading scientist has come forward to say it is just as likely to kill you as a terrorist’s bomb blowing your plane out of the sky.

The bizarre warning stems from a statistical coincidence which apparently shows that you are just as likely to die from radiation allegedly emitted by the scanners as you are to die due to a terrorist bob on your flight.
No worries: A US scientist has claimed that the risk of getting cancer from a single airport body scanner is about 1 in 30 million

No worries: A US scientist has claimed that the risk of getting cancer from a single airport body scanner is about 1 in 30 million

Peter Rez, from Arizona State University, said the probability of dying from radiation from a body scanner and that of being killed in a terror attack are both about one in 30 million, making body scanners redundant.

He said: 'The thing that worries me the most, is not what happens if the machine works as advertised, but what happens if it doesn’t.

A potential malfunction could increase the radiation dose, he said.

Rez has studied the radiation doses of backscatter scanners using the images produced by the machines. He discovered that the radiation dose was often higher than the manufacturers claimed.

Rez suggested that the statistical coincidence means that there is really no case to be made for deploying any kind of body-scanning machine - the risk is identical.

But he added: ‘They’re both incredibly unlikely events. These are still a factor of 10 lower than the probability of dying in any one year from being struck by lightning in the United States.’

Critics say the low level beam used delivers a small dose of radiation to the body but because the beam concentrates on the skin - one of the most radiation-sensitive organs of the human body - that dose may be up to 20 times higher than first estimated.

A number of scientists have already written to to the Food and Drug Administration to complain that the safety aspects have not been properly addressed before the nationwide rollout of the scanners.

Biochemist John Sedat from the University of California and his colleagues said that most of the energy from the scanners is delivered to the skin and underlying tissue.

‘While the dose would be safe if it were distributed throughout the volume of the entire body, the dose to the skin may be dangerously high,’ they wrote.

The Office of Science and Technology responded this week and said the scanners have been ‘tested extensively’ and meet safety standards.

Dr David Brenner, head of Columbia University’s centre for radiological research, said children and passengers with gene mutations - around one in 20 of the population - are more at risk as they are less able to repair X-ray damage to their DNA.

Dr Brenner, who is originally from Liverpool but now works at New York University, said: 'The individual risks associated with X-ray backscatter scanners are probably extremely small.

‘If all 800 million people who use airports every year were screened with X-rays then the very small individual risk multiplied by the large number of screened people might imply a potential public health or societal risk. The population risk has the potential to be significant.’

The controversial technology creates a full-body image which is fed to a computer in a private room. It picks up all natural curves and bumps as well any potential weapons which may normally be missed by the traditional patdown.

The Civil Aviation Authority, Department for Transport and Health Protection Agency insist that the technology is safe and say their tests show it would take 5,000 trips through the scanner to equal the dose of a single chest X-ray.

They said in the climate of high security, it is essential that security staff use ‘all means possible’ to minimise risks to airline security.

The CAA said: 'The device has been approved for use within the UK by the Department for Transport and has been subjected to risk assessments from the Health Protection Agency.

'To put the issue in perspective, the radiation received from the scanning process is the equivalent to two minutes radiation received on a Transatlantic flight.

'Recent press publications have been a little alarmist and may have heightened concern in frequent travellers who may worry about their repeated exposure.

‘Under current regulations, up to 5,000 scans per person per year can be conducted safely.’

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized .

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As a true-blooded American, you must be outraged & incensed!

Oh, wait, you’re NOT American. In fact, you routinely denigrate Americans.

So, why is it that you’re SO invested in this again?

Must be a REALLY good reason, since we all know how important “staying out of others’ business” is to a good Austrian like you…

I guess so long as it gives your life meaning…

And thanks for your concern![/quote]

So I grab your testicles?

No?

Then I guess I stay out of your business.

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I’m finally starting to get it!

What is “necessary evil” imposed by the government?

Whatever Orion feels it should be. And ONLY that.

What is “minding one’s own business?”

Whatever Orion feels it should be. Not what the concerned party thinks it is.

You are teeming with high & mighty “principled,” “morally-based” positions and rules.

Except that it all shifts and changes depending on what happens to suit YOUR fancy.

“Wrong! It’s wrong, I tell you!! Except when it suits me, of course.”
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This is nonsense.

I am all for the bare minimum that is necessary to keep a society functioning and no more.

That is what 90+% of people can agree on.

If you want more, pay for it yourself.

[quote]I am all for the bare minimum that is necessary to keep a society functioning and no more.

That is what 90+% of people can agree on. [/quote]

90+% of people will NOT agree on how to define “the bare minimum that is necessary to keep a society functioning”.

not everyone share definition of society as a grocery store, and not everyone will agree with your interpretation of “minimum”.

actually, very few do.

the only way to the close the debate would be to actually test it by trial and error.
and here, “error” would mean the end of society.

the methodology proposed by libertarians (reduce the state again and again and again until it’s no more possible and society dissolves itself) is suicidal by nature and by definition.

[quote]kamui wrote:

[quote]I am all for the bare minimum that is necessary to keep a society functioning and no more.

That is what 90+% of people can agree on. [/quote]

90+% of people will NOT agree on how to define “the bare minimum that is necessary to keep a society functioning”.

not everyone share definition of society as a grocery store, and not everyone will agree with your interpretation of “minimum”.

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True, but there must be a threshold where 90+% agree that these functions are absolutely necessary.

Id say Police and army are in there, maybe roads, but very little else is.

[quote]kamui wrote:

the methodology proposed by libertarians (reduce the state again and again and again until it’s no more possible and society dissolves itself) is suicidal by nature and by definition.

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Ah nonsense, as if we did not perfectly well before the etatism of the early 20 century-

Until WWI most nations paid less than 5% GDP for their governments and they were making enormous economic and scientific progress.

In fact, that very progress made the gargantuan monsters calling themselves “governments” we face today even possible.

To act as if civilization would break down and mutant raiders would roam the streets if we got rid of 80% of all of todays government functions is laughable.

you miss the point.

yes, 90% of the people want a police and an army. but that doesn’t solve anything.
90% of the people don’t want the SAME police nor the SAME army.

btw, a police and an army may be a “minimal state” but it is more than enough to turn your country into a fascist country.

minimum isn’t always optimum.

again, the size of the state doesn’t matter in itself.
what’s matter is how society can control and mandate the state. regardless of its size.

Nice posts Orion. Highlights just what a complete clusterfuck this TSA thing is and exactly how much our freedoms are violated. I get madder and madder every time I think about it.

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Ah nonsense, as if we did not perfectly well before the etatism of the early 20 century-

Until WWI most nations paid less than 5% GDP for their governments and they were making enormous economic and scientific progress.

In fact, that very progress made the gargantuan monsters calling themselves “governments” we face today even possible.[/quote]

You conveniently forget how and why it ended.

Yes, during this time, we have done enormous economic and scientific progress which led to enormous economic crisis and monstruous wars.

These nations with tax revenue inferior to 5% GDP were protectionnist and/or colonialist. They had other source of revenue.
and they didn’t faced the same issues we are facing now. airports doesn’t even existed during the Gilded Age.

civilization already break down and mutant raiders already roam the streets.

To act as if getting rid of 80% of all of todays government functions would magically solve the problem is laughable.