You mean the conversation with the new president of Ukraine? That has already been released? That the whistleblower didn’t even hear first hand?
Okay loppar.
I’m voting for whomever promises to make the U.S. legally the protection and enforcement wing of the E.U. Trump is so bad, @Basement_Gainz. Totally worst President ever. My only regret is that I had but two votes to give President Obama. He made me feel so good about myself.
You lost the argument when you resorted to “so you’re saying…”.
Even if we assume that the guy in question was coordinating everything with Clinton and Schiff and trafficking MS13 gangmembers across the border in his spare time, it doesn’t matter.
You’re bitching about the character and the motivation of the person who started this, not about the substance of the allegations.
That wouldn’t have been released without the whisteblower’s complaint.
Make that the Russian mob, not the EU. Because if you haven’t been paying attention, two third rate Russian wannabe mobsters wielded such power through Giuiliani that they were able to fire a career US diplomat in the State Department.
But let’s talk about Obama instead.
Those bastards.
Attacking the messenger because the message is scary.
Only two?
That isn’t discrediting. Whistleblowers aren’t cast aside because they didn’t hear/see something first hand. Think about a police tip line - someone calls in and says he overheard two guys say they killed someone and buried him near the railroad tracks. Well, do the police hang up and go - “that guy didn’t witness anything first hand - no need to investigate further!”? Of course not.
Point of the whole whistleblower “system” is to get people to step forward with knowledge and for the factfinder to take it to the next step (get first hand information).
This “attack” on the whistleblower for not having first hand information is silly on its face. But it’s even more silly because, yep, in this case, it has led to the uncovering of first hand information corroborating what the whistleblower said.
Can you post a link to where it’s been released? I’d think this would have been breaking news.
The message isn’t scary. We did 2.5 years of 24/7 “trump is a Russian asset” and the Mueller investigation. Swing and a miss.
Some consultant must have finally figured out that the charge of “racist” had lost its sting so we went with “russian”.
This bullshit from the same DNC that got a FISA warrant with a dossier full of testimony from paid Russians.
You don’t need to impeach Trump on phantom quid pro quo. He should be the easiest incumbent to beat ever. It’s just theater for the plebs.
Interesting bit of how transcripts are created: Bolded are the author’s, not mine.
Laurence Pfeiffer, a senior director of the White House Situation Room during the Obama administration:
White House conversations have not been recorded since the mid-1970s, when President Richard Nixon scandalized the practice.
Though audio of the calls is not recorded, per se, voice-recognition software [I think he is referring to Speech Recognition software like Dragon]is now used to help produce a baseline record of the call — almost like dictation — to get as close to verbatim as possible.
Pfeiffer said the software does not record or process the president’s voice. It processes the voice of a staffer who repeats what that person hears on the call. The software then produces a rough transcript. (my comment: this is what one might see in a courtroom, where the court reporter is speaking into a microphone repeating all that is heard into a microphone)
At the same time, [Pfieffer] said, other officials listening in on the call, whether in the Oval Office or another meeting room, are furiously scribbling their own notes, as close to word for word as their shorthand allows. Those listening in could be the president’s chief of staff, the national security adviser or a member of the NSC staff in charge of monitoring the other leader’s region of the world, as well as State and Defense Department officials. After the call, the note-takers compare their notes and consolidate a recollection of the conversation into one document, former officials said. Then it is passed to senior NSC staffers and other experts who listened, who compare it with their own notes and memories and also correct proper names and other errors the software made.
HOWEVER: “Don’t rely on whatever transcript is released,” said a former staffer, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to comment candidly. “Even if it’s unredacted; those transcripts are heavily edited by political leadership at NSC. I’ve seen substance deleted from these call ‘transcripts’ to delete either superfluous details or more substance.”
Finally: Pfeiffer said the note-takers’ raw transcripts were preserved during his tenure to protect the president against mischaracterizations of a conversation by a foreign president.
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I’ll say it again…
In my Life…narcissistic, ego-driven, it’s-everyone-else-fault-not mine, corrupt socio-paths like Trump destroy themselves in the end. While it certainly won’t happen; the DEMS would be better off doing other things than trying to speed up the inevitable.
The only hesitation I have is that people like Trump…when they go down…there is often a lot of collateral damage, which for me is a concern. But what do you do?
All the DEMS are doing now is firing up an immovable base that includes a Senate and House full of Republicans in absolute fear of the man.
Someone should tell the DEMS about the Kobayashi Maru.
He should have been easy for 16 Republican to keep from beating and easy to beat in the general yet here we are. And knowing it’s highly likely people will still be stuck with two bad choices well…people may just stay with Trump.
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I really think that’s the direction it is going, @H_factor…and the DEMS are just speeding up the process.
While Trump sells his base all kinds of bullshit on almost a daily basis…the DEMS are not really offering anything any better.
I’m not familiar with all Dem and third party stances and people. However do you think any of them are more likely to: Completely ignore their experts, advisors, generals, etc? Tweet or say horrific things about people? Potentially ruin relationships with foreign leaders because of lack of knowledge? Seem to have no idea of how government works? Genuinely have principles that change like the weather and no one even remotely trusts to be able to think before they speak?
I’d like to see us vote for an adult is all we need now.
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@H_factor; I feel you, Brother…but consider this…
Could it be that Trump IS a “truer” reflection of who and what we are?
It hurts to say that…but the truth hurts sometimes.
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I’m confused - do you not know that mob trials have long proven that there doesn’t need to be a literal explicit quid pro quo? How do you think mob bosses give death orders? “Hey Vito, I will do something illegal for you if, in return, you kill this person for me”? Trump laid out a scenario in the edited, redacted, reconstructed transcript that they released. “I have done a lot of things for you, more than you have done for me, I want you to do us a favor.” That’s a quid pro quo. In any courtroom since the beginning of mob prosecutions. This isn’t a phantom quid pro quo. It’s as clear as day and the mental gymnastics required to miss it are staggering.
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Indeed they are.
Believe me…if it was President Obama? Conservatives wouldn’t be missing a damn thing…
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I’d also like to point out that Trump is not easily beatable. He’s scandal-proof, and he runs the bible belt. I hear people complain about the electoral votes that California gets, and it makes me laugh. California gets 55 electoral votes, with a population of 39.56 million. 39,560,000/55 is 719,272. Meaning every 719,272 people get an electoral vote. Mississippi, for example, has 6 electoral votes with a population of 2.987 million. 2,987,000/6 is 497,833. Every 497,833 people get an electoral vote in Mississippi. Understand how ridiculously biased the electoral system is towards people who win the small states? A vote goes nearly twice as far in most sparsely populated states. So no, Trump is not easily beatable, even if you get millions more votes.
@flappinit…how DARE you come on this site with reason and facts!
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Just found this, @flappinit.
The name Mississippi comes from the French “Messipi” - the French rendering of the native American Anishinaabe (Ojibwe or Algonquin) name for the river, “Misi-ziibi,” meaning “Great River.”
Does that mean Warren could probably carry Mississippi?
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