Trump: The Third Year

He wasn’t wrong when he said he could shoot someone in the middle of the street and he wouldn’t lose his core.

His core think the ends justify the means… No matter the means. Treating women terribly, blatant nepotism, corruption, racism, supporting the killing of us residents by foreign powers, continuously embarrassing the USA on the world stage, etc, etc. As long as the economy is strong, and we are fighting a boogyman (immigrants) his core does not care one bit how he acts.

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This is an excellent article about long term repercussions of the Russification of US policy.

Power is the organizing principle of international politics. That endows the United States with an extraordinary ability to coerce others—that is, to make them follow its lead through a mix of inducements and penalties. As a result, Washington has had a unique ability to promote its political and economic agenda abroad.

Being in this position is a privilege—one that allows Washington to shape a world favorable to American interests—but it is neither an entitlement nor a simple function of military and economic might. Because the United States has generally used its coercive power in a disciplined fashion (with a few notable exceptions), it has experienced less international resistance than one might expect. But partners and rivals alike will continue such cooperation with Washington only as long as it wields its authority with subtlety and quickly corrects its excesses. Trump, in his phone call with Zelensky, blatantly tossed that principle aside and used the United States’ power to advance his own political interests—a usurpation of foreign policy that has lasting consequences for the United States.

American power is already being challenged by rivals, such as China, that are keen to replace Washington as the one to write the rules of global conduct. A United States that transacts in the flagrant and arbitrary coercion of vulnerable partners will not hold on to its commanding position for long.

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If trump is removed from office prior to the election, or as a result of the 2020 election, how likely is it that he tries to incite riots/societal upheaval/violence on his own behalf?

I think the military hates him so he would never be able to strong arm his way to keeping power. But I think he could certainly leverage a good amount of crazy trumpers into resisting “an undemocratic election stolen by the Democrats”.

@ddinante

Actions over the past 3 or more years has proven that there are no limits.

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In only three months the Republican Party went from “no collusion” to “collusion is beneficial because everyone is digging foreign dirt on everyone else thereby making the system more transparent”.

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Clinton, Nadler, Schiff, Pelosi, Holder, Rice, Biden, Shrillary, Schumer, Reid

Sweet Hall of Fame for liars, right there.

But Trump,Trump…

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I would not be surprised if trump tried to incite violence after he is removed from office by impeachment or election but I don’t see there being a whole lot of sane people willing to risk there life for someone like him.

C’mon. Tha’t bullshit. Go to POTUS’ official twitter feed and read his tweets. Retweets of Fox. his son’s trolling. That’s why “Trump, Trump”. Because he’s the POTUS, seems to have problems distinguishing fact from fiction, has problems controlling his emotions and gets his policy cues from a 24 hour news entertainment show.

I suppose you’ll be snickering because he’s “owning the libs” after reading his tweets. But remember, in one or five years time an atheist socialist bent on taking your guns away will be in the driving seat and will have a precedent to behave exactly like this. You’re okay with that?

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Here’s a hint: it’s turtles all the way down.

Still looking for an answer from you on why Trump was having Giuliani try to convince Ukrainian officials to investigate Biden. Any thoughts on what Trump’s purpose?

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First of all - you have zero response to hall of liars, composed of both presidents and highest members of Congress, because they have lied exceedingly, for decades, and to help bring about the division/destruction of our country. So to act like Trump has single handedly destroyed the republic is laughable and easily debunked.

Second - what kind of defense do you need that you are parroting the MSM on adding to the official transcript and inserting “intent” into the record. The words on the transcript don’t equal the assertions. You are a lawyer. The whistleblower didnt craft that document, which is 180° opposite of the 3rd grader Russian dossier. Schiff sat on this for weeks. Pelosi wont schedule an actual vote to allow gop subpoenas.

Dems are grasping with bs because they are unethical and weak. And they and you and l know it.

You didn’t answer my question.

My question to you is: what was the purpose of Trump having Giuliani try to get the Ukrainian government to dig up dirt on Biden?

You don’t believe Volker’s testimony that Ukraine requested meeting with Giuliani, or State Dept was onboard? Or that general corruption was present and directed toward
Trump campaign (along with meddling from other countries)?

I keep reading that Giuliani was invited, as opposed to being sent, to help Ukraine’s new admin gain Trump’s trust. Emails say this, Volker’s testim9ny say this, Giuliani is saying this.

But you are picking at a thread, trying to unravel the whole sweater. With what - a supposition conjured from nothing?
IG couldn’t bother to read transcript, whistleblower concocted a huge narrative while not being a witness, Schiff sat on whistleblower report and lies on another program, Pelosi afraid to allow vote (no complaint from you, even as your profession is built on precedent), some Trump hater came up with changing story from investigating corruption to investigating a faltering potential opponent.

So we establish guilt from uncorroborated whistleblowing, refuse to accept sworn testimonies, and pronounce judgement without allowing defense now? To get Trump, Pence, Pompeo, Barr, and Kavanaugh - hell yeah.

No, I believe Rudy Giuliani, who, according to Rudy Giuliani, was going to Ukraine as early as May to lobby Ukraine to investigate the Biden situation expressly for his client:

The other is the involvement of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s son in a gas company owned by a Ukrainian oligarch.
So being a candidate gives one immunity against illegal activities from the past.

You seriously think Trump is more dangerous than the Clinton or Biden money chasing, Dem’s guilty verdicts based on fairytales or Obama’s EOs? I don’t.

Yes.

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Who has claimed this? You just made that up. But in any event, it’s irrelevant.

But here’s the main point - in any criticism of Trump, you never have any rebuttal except “But Obama!”, “But Hillary!”, or “But Biden!”

All three of them could terrible or could be awesome, but it’s irrelevant to the question of did Trump engage in illegal/improper behavior.

My God - when will y’all ever get it?

Oh yes, by a magnitude. Here’s why, specifically on the two things you mentioned: Trump is worse as a moneychaser than Hillary or Biden, and Trump is worse on executive overreach than Obama.

And that’s only on the two things you cite.

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That’s dezinformatsiya. Firs of all, let’s all pause for a moment and acknowledge the fact that through Sputnik and RT the Kremlin has direct access to right wing conspiracy circles which in turn feed FOX which in turn formulates White House foreign policy.

I can’t even imagine what Stalin or Khruschev would have said had someone told them that Soviet/Russian propaganda directly influences a sitting POTUS.

This talking points you’re repeating on here - they were written in Russia. I know I’ve been reading them in Russian media almost two years ago when they were testing which narrative will stick. Sadly, the “Soros wants to settle the Jews in Ukraine and create a second Zionist homeland” never made the transition to the English language and henceforth to “red pillers”.

That’s the main purpose of Russian propaganda. To convince you that all are corrupt, all are equally bad and all have committed horrendous acts. So whatever despicable, treasonous thing Trump commits today, a Trump supporter is comforted by the assumption drilled into his mind by the Russians that the other side would have been equally bad or even worse - you’ve got baby eating socialists, a woman who had US personnel killed in Benghazi and her rapist husband and Schiff and Pelosi, who in a Trump supporter’s mind also probably killed someone and committed high treason somewhere along the way.

So if you’re got a amoral psychopath in charge, at least it’s our amoral psychopath who doesn’t want to take our guns, euthanize hospital patients or flood the country with MS13 gang members"

Which brings us to the second point the Russian propaganda - democracy, and especially liberal (old school liberal, not “libs” liberal) democracy is for losers.

If you have a modern day King Cyrus who was ordained to protect a strata of US population, their guns and their freedoms, how can a reasonable person expect that exceptional individual who made American great again, to meekly step down and let deranged socialists who want to enslave Americans take over?

Go re-read those tweets from Trump.

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The whole point is that l consider the pols/media/never trumpers as bad or worse than Trump when they lie, fabricate hypotheticals, and sacrifice the future of America (immigration in many ways) just to get Trump.

I will continue to stand by my But Trump statement because several of you attribute every ill in the world to him.

Let me state again, his opponents are just as slimy as he is. And imo NO less dangerous.

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What talking points?
Russian dossier?
Kavanaugh rape?
Biden son not taking graft?