First Google result for “immigration depresses wages” from Harvard. PDF so the link is weird. Immigration depresses low skilled wages. So it hurts the working poor with a HS diploma or less. That’s who Reps and Dems are fighting about representing.
I can dig up how H1B visas are depressing the wages of engineers, programmers and higher skilled workers as well. Found a link where the Huff post literally says “Trump was right”. Almost fell out of my chair.
You can spin it any way you want but you can’t escape macro 101. If the supply and demand for unskilled labor has reached a market clearing equilibrium, and you increase the supply… What MUST happen to the price (wage)?
At least in MA, these kids are being paid MORE than the local counterpart would.
Not only I pure $ per hour, but with housing etc.
You pay more for the foreign kids because they give a shit, and treat your guests with respect. While they party and fuck like rabbits on their off time, the also steal less, call in less, and are more respectful.
Most of the local people who are available for seasonal employment (assuming they aren’t too young and immature) are not already employed full time for a reason.
Who is going to leave a full time gig to work for 4 months that is worth anything over relative short money?
No one, that’s who.
Anyone worth high wage is going to take a secure full time gig over seasonal employment 9,999 times out of 10,000.
Using the hospitality industry is a horrid, just horrid example of the problems you are discussing here man.
The H1-B issue is entirely separate. It has nothing to do with market forces, and everything to do with manipulation of Federal law by employers.
I posted a link from a reputable source. Economics being the ‘dismal science’ that it is, we can probably throw competing links at each other all day, each one proving we’re right and the other is wrong. C’est la vie so far as economics goes.
Nantucket likely says the same thing, and it’s horseshit there too.
These people are more expensive than Joe Schomoe down the street…
Look man, I spend a lot fo time every year talking to GM’s and Controllers in the hospitality industry. Not only does trump likely not have any say what so ever in the day to day hiring of people that the resort, but they do hire local for fulltime 99 times out of 100, but this is seasonal, and only certain personality types work here if you want the reputation of the club to remain high.
Hospitality is a really shitty example to try and nail someone on being a hypocrite. The ties, much better.
I understand this and I’m almost certain he doesn’t have anything to do with it either. Still the properties and businesses that he runs are subject to scrutiny while he holds the highest office. None of this actually changes the position though. The President (who is one of the richest people in America) hires foreign workers at a business he runs while constantly espousing protectionist views and helping Americans directly.
Could he hire Americans for these jobs? Certainly. It’s not like he doesn’t have the money to make the wage there high enough to fill these positions. Doesn’t mean it would make business sense but he certainly could do it.
they are hired for seasonal work. Seasonal. Part time…
That isn’t something that is beneficial to a local that would actually succeed in these positions, because those people are better qualified for the fulltime permanent jobs the likely already have.
Again, for the third time and you guys ignore it, at least in MA these kids are more expensive than hiring locals. These resorts literally choose to pay MORE for these foreign kids than locals.
Well in Falmouth and Nantucket it’s more about heroin usage than any of those things. Most of the locals are middle to upper middle class white kids, if not rich. Just they have a significant drug problem.
Plus the foreign kids are a lot more apt to be excited and see it as an opportunity (or they are just generally more polite and professional at a younger age than their American counter parts.)
Not if you’re just sitting here chuckling over the fact that he’s pretty much the poster boy for “De Turk Our Jurbs” and then hires foreign works like everyone else.
My guess is the people that bought into MAGA agree regardless of the fact that you and I understand why his org did it.
This is where I come from. It would be akin to Obama saying we should definitely do something about automatic weapons and then firing one off at the range.
It is good in a way to show that economic answers aren’t easy and one can definitely talk about making stuff in America and hiring American workers but when the rubber meets the road reasons exist why this doesn’t happen more often.
So Dems appear to have won the governor races in Virginia & New Jersey. As it stands now (95% reporting), Northam is project to win by over 9 points. Clinton won VA by 5 points. They’ve also picked up 10 house seats.
It’ll be interesting to see what how the tea leaves read for mids next year.
Well, I think they took back the House too but, while a dem should have taken the governorship, it’s looking like he’ll win by a considerable margin, which suggests the GOP’s going to have a fight on their hands next year (which is still an uphill battle for the dems).
What I’m interested to see is if the mid-term GOP candidates start distancing themselves from the Trump message. Gillespie, the GOP candidate in VA, from my understanding, was very moderate before. And while he didn’t fully endorse Trump, he was definitely using his playbook by going pretty hard on immigration, etc.
In a midterm, if the D’s actually show up to vote, they will gain ground no doubt. Shit they should gain ground anyway, as one party rule is awful. But I think turnout is more important than message in a midterm.
I would not, in any way shape or form be surprised by an “opposite” 2010/2014 though. Trump is pretty divisive, and more so than Obama. (I know a lot of you don’t think he was, but he was to quite a few folks, and no not because he’s black, relax.)
But, then again, they don’t seem to want to change their approach so who the hell knows.
And a chic with a dick won… Halalur… Haha oh man poop tweets should be great this weekend… Man this reality tv politics is fun now. Please lawwd bring on pee pee tape…
Yeah, historically, they should gain, increased turnout or no. I’ll be interested to see how this year’s turnout compares to years past, but it’s looking like the dems had a fire in their belly for this one (as they should).
The Democratic party has a lot of problems, no doubt. They need to shake off the Hillary baggage and move the fuck on. But they are, obviously, roped back in easily by those on the right who constantly bring her up (ahem). I hope they can put together a cohesive message and get their shit together, because they have a big battle ahead.
Well, in all fairness she won’t go the fuck away, and the legacy press seems to be sexually aroused by putting a microphone in her face lol.
But, I’m not so sure they want to be putting their eggs in the Sanders/Warren basket. Envy politics works, and “eat the rich” works, however the democrats have a serious identity politics problem right now.
People are really starting to reject it man, trump did better with non-whites than Romney, and Mitt makes trump look like a 3 year old when it comes to “being a statesman”. Now part of that is Obama really was that god damn good (jesus the man was a master), but part of it is a rejection of heavy/far left stuff. Please god don’t think that isn’t the case.
You can’t mix envy politics with identity politics, it will only make the long term situation worse.
But the good news is, well for you guys lol, is 2018 & 2020, based on conventional wisdom is the Dem’s to loss for a lot of factors. I don’t see trump pulling out of his hole right now, assuming the hole is real enough to enough people. I didn’t see him winning the nomination let alone POTUS… lol. What the fuck do I know?
Well, I blame the media more than her on that score. They’ll take whatever they can get. But that’s their job and I get that.
I personally don’t want either of them to be running for POTUS. I think they both brought up some very good issues in the past couple of years that do need to be addressed. I also thought Trump brought up some good issues.
I won’t dispute that, but anyone who suggests the dems have a bigger identity politics issue than the GOP is fooling themselves (and yes, I am aware they hold the three branches right now). The only thing the repubs have on the dems is that they at least can relatively identify what those factions even are.
