Trump: The First Year

Loan Officer. I currently work at a mortgage company. A very large percent of the older LOs still marvel about the glory days of no regs and basically raining cash. Many of them admit they knew these borrowers had zero chance keeping these homes (although they’d never say it in front of a customer).

A decent chunk of the national mortgage volume was moving through companies that were planning on the market crashing eventually. One of our VPs likes to joke that it was like waiting until the last second to jump off your bike before you went over a hill.

As countingbeans pointed out: phenomenal argument. Name the (habitable-I’m not sure what Antarctica has in regards to government…also, other planets, and stars) place that people can move and have no existing government. You’re saying, “Leave everything you know and go attempt to win a war against the existing power somewhere else.”
It seems much more reasonable to ask people that want socialism to go where socialism exists; to ask people that want arms control(more!) to go where there is (more!) arms control; to ask people that want any of the 1,000,000-and-one rules and regulations we have to go where those regulations exist.

Let’s be honest here. Which one seems more likely to happen? More arms control and socialism or the govt letting go of the regs/power?

Somalia, buy a private island and start your own society, move to mountain areas with almost no population and limited government control.

My guess: High speed internet, good paying job, Pizza Hut close by, etc keep you from running away from the big bad govt.

If the goal is to lessen the amount of government in your life it is highly doable.

And no I’m not REALLY saying go do that we have discussed this before. If anarchy would be so perfect though let’s not pretend that people can’t take those steps because they surely could. But you know…posting on message boards about no government is way preferable to actually seeing what life would be like with 0.

If everyone that wants those regulations left the country and moved to one where those things exist, I’d say it’s very likely those regulations would disappear. No war needed. There are plenty of pre-fab paradises for those that love State control.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/2015/05/silicon-valley-letting-go-techie-island-fantasies/amp

‘I hope all of these people who want to live in an unregulated island paradise get their island, because then they’ll stop complaining so much.’

Sam Altman. My thoughts exactly Sam

FWIW I knew about your link from a board with a lot of anarcho capitalists I used to frequent.

SOMALIA! Fuck. I never expected that response!

At the end of the day, you guys will always be left saying, “Go defeat the native peoples and commit genocide, because there can never be enough socialist paradises for us! The ones there are aren’t suitable, because then we couldn’t fuck with your lives!”

Yup… Countrywide i think was the biggest sub prime monster… Many of my bros are LOs… They got big rips then to push crap…that was the days of stated income. Any turd with a pulse got a mortgage.
The big short ( a movie) explains whole thing…

I do house flipping and landlord…some say slum lord… Got most all my rentals during crash. Any how Im chomping at the bit for the next crash. Its coming…Tons of FHA loans now. These people are one car accident or divorce away from foreclosure. Soon Houston & Florida will be a gold mine when people get insurance checks and bounce…leaving mass foreclosures…less restrictions makes my bank account happy…Id love sub prime to come back…Best time to get rich is when markets down boyz bring on the crash nom nom nom nom

There are places where one does not pay taxes, where almost everyone is self-employed and where one can open carry all sorts of firearms and is completely free from government interference - you’re virtually guaranteed that you won’t see any agent of government in any shape or form.

It’s just that these are specific areas or provinces in the Democratic Republic of Congo, Yemen and Mauritania :wink:

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With depreciation from his real estate holdings and lifestyle design he could potentially have a large net worth and a very low income on paper.

I won’t speak for Hebrew but I met a guy at a REIA that owned 300 doors, drove a Rolls Royce White Ghost and qualified for food stamps. I called “BS” and he produced an EBT card out of his shark skin wallet.

I asked the guy “that doesn’t strike you as wrong?” He replies “I was a working stiff for decades, paying in 40-50 percent federal, state and local. I’ll never get back all the money I paid in.”

And people wonder why some of us aren’t fans of government-run programs…

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Sub prime never went away, it just moved.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-15/-deep-subprime-car-loans-hit-crisis-era-milestone-as-woes-mount

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Ah I thought Somalia didn’t have a government up until recently. Still I bet a lot less regulation.

As Loppar said you have plenty of places to go and be way more successful if you think without any government and with zero regulation your existence would be better. The fact that none of the anarcho capitalists do this is telling.

I can completely get on board with reforms, less government, less regulation and common sense solutions. Zero government, zero regulation not a chance. And those who preach that as far as I’m aware rarely take the steps to go towards those places. Government and regulation undoubtedly fuck a lot of things up and we should constantly be tinkering with figuring out the right balance. FWIW I think we have WAY too much government in many areas of our lives. It’s just this notion of zero that I take issue with.

Then again I’ve never thought some government and some regulation means you’re living in a socialist country.

Back on the topic of Trump though. I like how he just makes up shit that past Presidents didn’t call and specifically names Obama. From Obama didn’t do that to sometimes he did sometimes he didn’t and I don’t know. I know we are all immune to him just saying whatever the fuck he feels like but still it’s unreal the amount of times he literally just says stuff that he has no idea is true or not.

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Excellent post, H.

This pretty much sums up where I stand.

Incredibly enough, I still don’t know if it’s stuff that “he has no idea is true” or if he knows what the truth is but just doesn’t care…for example, when he said that he had the largest electoral margin since Reagan; I’m honestly not sure if he didn’t know that when he went on stage or if he did know but just didn’t give a shit because he wanted to brag.

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I think the sheer volume of charitable donations Americans make every year really shoots holes in the “people are okay with others with less suffering”. (There is also evidence to suggest people, on average tend to be a lot more altruistic than one would think, but I don’t have the studies I’m talking about to link.)

But that aside, let’s tier the insurance. Something like this:

  1. Anyone can opt out of private insurance and opt into medicare. However in order to do this, their Medicare rate goes from 2.9% (half of this is “paid by the employer” so you only see 1.45% come out of your check, but the employee really pays the entire amount) to 15%, and the employer will be required to “pay” up to whatever they pay employees who opt for private insurance.

The additional 12.1% would be capped at $6000 if you make under $50k, capped at $7,500 if you make between $50k-125k, capped at $8,000 if you make $125k+

  1. Basic care plans - These cover routine doctor visits, checkups, minor issues, blood tests, etc. A panel of doctors, and only fucking doctors will determine what is or isn’t basic care.

  2. Basic care + medical life insurance - These would be the same plans in #2, except with a government sponsored “medical life insurance” plan that will cover medical costs for your family etc if you die after racking up insane amounts of debt with the government. opting into this would be an additional payroll tax, requiring you to work, or you must cut a check to a government program. The funds collected by the government will be transfer to a private fiduciary, and by law, untouchable by congress. No robbing peter to pay paul.

  3. Catastrophic plans - more expensive, only cover major issues like heart surgery etc. Again doctors determine what falls under catastrophic

  4. Basic + Catastrophic

  5. Cadillac Plans (basic, catastrophic & medical life) - these have a sting tax that as only those making more will be able to afford it…

This should basically eliminate the need for the individual mandate if you implement punishments for willfully going without insurance until you need it, via first year premium increases.

I’m fine with eliminating life time & yearly limits.

Preexisting conditions/medical bankruptcy/etc:

This is tougher. What if in a situation where you couldn’t or wouldn’t get insurance, something happens and you now have $200k in medical debt? Or you have a preexisting condition that priced insurance out of your income range?

The government should designate charities that help fund these bills as a priority, and give taxpayers a credit for the first $2000 they donate to them, and an above the line deduction for the remainder.

In addition to that, they should have a “payment plan” option, rather than an “insurance option”. This would be a regulation that ensures that people faced with significant issues are protected from bankruptcy and abject poverty to get healthcare. Instead of getting insurance and socializing the cost via that, they get a “loan” or “payment plan” that works for them at very low if not zero interest rates, that can’t be more than say, 8% of their after tax take home pay. This would also be a payroll tax deduction. The IRS should then give employers a 10% general business credit for any of these loan amounts they pay on behalf of their employee, which will NOT be included in taxable income for the employee.

I don’t know, I’m just brain storming here…

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I mean, I’m not trying to use whataboutism, but this is a very common thing among politicians.

It seems “because trump” is really why it seems so outrageous, because he’s outrageous. Some Senator from Cali makes up a whole bunch of nonsense about rifles and no one bats an eye…

It’s wrong, and we shouldn’t except it from anyone, but we do… From just about everyone from the Pope to Hollywood to sports figures down on the line…

All of what you wrote here is sensible, and for as much jousting as you and EyeDentist have exchanged in various threads on these forums, I think the two of you agree more than you disagree on this: supporting the concept of a government-option basic care plan that is relatively accessible to all with the opportunity for those earning more cash to buy progressively higher tiers of private insurance as they see fit.

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