I recall that he’s briefly mentioned in Tom Holland’s Rubicon which is a brilliant read by itself but I haven’t read anything about specifically about him.
And it’s a question whether Cincinnatus (alongside Regulus from the Second Punic War) were just being used by Livy as semi-mythical examples of virtue contrasted with his contemporaries in the Julio-Claudian dynasty.
But there’s no reason to suspect he was especially virtuous, it’s just that he subscribed to the notion of limitations to the political offices in his time, considered breaking them unthinkable.
Even when the Roman Republic was collapsing, proclaiming oneself a king (rex) was off the table even for those who were destroying it, notably Caesar and later Augustus.
Looking back through the mists of time, perhaps future generations will talk about “noble first 40-something US Presidents”, who’ve held the highest office and voluntarily stepped down once their term expired?
It has occurred to me as this internal turmoil has panned out, and after reading the article you posted in the Russia thread- that this antifa movement is a tactic straight out of the Russian playbook.
I’m not a big rusky hunter conspiracy guy but man, when you add that bunch of info to the context, it looks REALLY FUCKING BAD!
I don’t consider the statuses of ‘neo-Nazi’ and ‘anti-Nazi counter-protestor’ to be mere “party shit” that needs to be ‘cleaved away’ in a search for objectivity. To the contrary, with regard to understanding what happened and how we should feel about it, I think these respective statuses go to the very heart of the moral matter.
Well then, it reverts to this- There is no such thing as a fair fight. You don’t get to start and call a time out once the other side does something you don’t like.
I’ve been in my fair share. That is just the deal. Guy pulls out a knife or a couple others jump in or what ever else, you don’t get to cry foul.
I could see that being important if there was any real morality at play, but there isn’t. Its just convenient for the antifa crowd that their current target are scum. Unfortunately- so are they. They aren’t organized or in action to actually bring about any solutions to any problems.
Unless you consider all of the damage and disruption that they’ve created a solution to any of the current social problems. I simply do not. I see them as equally bereft of any morality, and extraordinarily self serving, to the point of creating problems just to create problems.
I agree with this no matter how much I feel like Nazis and KKK members need an ass kicking.
In the end violence happened and probably like you’d tell junior high kids any fighting makes two people look bad instead of just one.
Trump certainly isn’t helping himself though. It would be one thing to denounce violence and say two wrongs don’t make a right but he keeps (imo) flirting with that line of taking or apologizing for armed Nazis walking down a US street.
And FWIW I bring up the armed part not to start some 2A debate (pro 2A here) but because days after I just can’t get over the fact that Nazis with guns feel like they can organize and march in a US city. If they haven’t felt emboldened enough to do that in the last 30 years in a big group then something has changed and not for the better.
I guess all I really want to say is violence is bad and all but I certainly hope anyone who currently views themselves as a Nazi spontaneously combusts. Preferably altogether so less areas to clean up.
This is an important point worth hammering home. The far left currently don’t view the Democratic Party as much better than Republicans and will openly bash them almost as much.
I have a cousin in Florida that I haven’t spoken to in quite a while so I’m not sure exactly how he would classify himself but he is far left no doubt. Certainly more than anyone posting in this thread. And his Facebook is littered with calling out the Democratic Party over tons of things and saying they are the exact same corporate welfare dickheads as the republicans.
Average HRC voter has never heard of antifa and equating the far left with most dems is inaccurate
Used to be all you really had to do was get enough of them in the same place at the same time and plow them with copious amounts of budweiser and crystal meth and they would do exactly that.
Oh they’ve applauded it across the board. I believe StormFront (who was booted from webhosting companies GoDaddy and Google and is currently without a host) claimed they enjoyed Trump’s “wink” to them, regarding his comments Saturday.
Really? There isn’t a moral wrong committed in this incident?
I’m not sure where the narrative came from, but the counter protesters to the KKK/Neo-Nazis in C-ville weren’t all Antifa members. Not even close. This demonstration was planned and coordinated by the KKK quite some time ago; most of the participants weren’t local (and their tiki torches sure seemed coordinated).
There are no official numbers for Antifa, so it’s impossible to say how many there are, but it’s nowhere on the level of the KKK/Neo-Nazis/Alt-Right. Their MO seems to be to storm in on a peaceful rally that’s already underway, as they did in Berkeley, and break shit and hurt people.
Equating these two groups (KKK & Antifa), that many here are trying to do (much like our president), is absurd.