Why would the ADL or SPLC have anything about Antifa? They’re on the same side. They’re both domestic terrorists of the hard left.
If You want to call the ADL and the SPLC left-leaning, I will leave you to it. But to countenance calling them “domestic terrorists,” I’m going to have to see some evidence of actual acts of terrorism on their part.
Likewise, both groups (but especially the ADL) are hypersensitive to anti-Semitism (it is the raison d’être of the ADL, after all). So the suggestion that either group (again, especially the ADL) would look the other way while Antifa referred to “Heebs” strains credulity, to put it mildly.
I’m guessing that antifa poster is a talking point or something. Only “evidence” of it I found was from two small time blogs both posted months before the protests.
If I had to guess I would say it came from someone trying to argue what we are arguing here. That the left was just as bad as the right on that day or in previous days.
From your link:
"Antifa members have been labeled ‘anarchist extremists’”
Of course, anarchists defy easy placement on the current Right-Left political spectrum.
Further:
“Interviewed by The Guardian, members of the [Redneck Revolt] declared their opposition not only to the far-right, but to liberals in general.” [emphasis mine]
Oops. So much for any obligation on the part of liberals to “own” them.
Exactly. If these flyers were plastered all over Ch’ville, they would have been a major story on every news network.
It just doesn’t “scan” like the sort of flyer Antifa usually puts out. I suspect it’s a false-flag operation, but am willing to be convinced otherwise if the evidence warrants it.
Yes I’m guessing it is fake.
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This is misleading due to the overlapping nomenclature used by the extreme right and extreme left. While the right (not only alt-right but regular right) decries “liberals” defined as anything left of them on the political spectrum, the extreme left claims to fight against “neoliberals” and “neoliberal capitalism” defined as well, pretty much everyone right of them. So you’ve got a majority of the population decried by the extremes.
For the totalitarians the biggest enemy are centrists, something that was repeatedly proven throughout history of political activism.
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“We will not be replaced!”
Well, at your job, now you will.
He sure will. When I saw welder/mechanic I had to check out the company that fired him. 20 years ago I’d be calling them up and getting ready to go to the beach! I used to have a lot of fun in Charleston when my brother were stationed there.
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I had not been closely following any of the recent national news, so when I waded into this thread I didn’t realize how large the White Supremacist gathering in C was.
Regarding the tragic death of the young woman, I saw this morning that the driver of the car had a history of violence toward his mother, dating back to when he was 14. Also, the father of that young woman killed has already said he “forgives him.” I was reminded of the Charleston church shooter, also a troubled and mentally ill person who got wrapped up in racist ideology. Remember all the church ladies forgave him, and the Confederate flag came down. They ought to go pull down the statue while people are feeling empathy and compassion. Apparently there’s some kind of stay preventing that.
Yes. Thank you.
I get called a “liberal” in a negative connotation by some of my Rep family members, and I’m sure some of the authoritarian economic leftists would call me Alt-right, so I can attest to that personally! Haha. That was the point I was trying to make earlier in the tread.
Also, thanks for your points about anti-Semitism. My history professor friend specializes in post WWII Germany and France, and she’s one of the people who told me that the are now not only found in the Neo-Nazi types, but they also hide under leftist sympathetic causes. Nothing new there. Unfortunately, it seems there’s always plenty of anti-Semitism to go around. She follows a lot of European press.
She was explaining Antifa as particularly insidious because it blends enough Dem platform issues with anarchy and with a authoritarian or totalitarian leftist ideology, where violence and force and silencing of opposition is justified, making it justified in attacking students who want to hear Milo, for example. They are anarchists who are also steeped in radical leftist authoritarian ideology.
They mix in enough Dem platform issues to make themselves palatable, particularly to authoritarian leftists in the Dem party, like those, mostly intellectual Dems, who will display the Hammer and Sickle, and who seem to be unable to call out Communism in the 20th Century for what it was. “Antifa’s violent tactics have elicited substantial support from the mainstream left,” from The Atlantic, Sept 2017.
The White Supremacist groups have been growing exponentially over the past two or three years. Antifa groups are also rising. I’m sure we can expect more after C.
There are no ‘anarchist Democrats’–the intersection of those two sets is null. Dems want a relatively activist govt, whereas anarchists want no govt. So this makes no sense. Likewise, a reference to ‘anarchists [ideological organizing principle: the rejection of all authority) who are steeped in authoritarian ideology’ is nonsensical to the point of incoherence.
As for your ‘history professor friend,’ perhaps you could share with us links to some of her publications on this subject?
Link to this frankly absurd statement, please.
ED, this is nonsense. The anarchist communists here in the UK demonstrated for Jeremy Corbyn. That is consistent ideological action on their part. They supported the most revolutionary leader, so sheltering them, for instance, in the fact that the Labour Party manifesto is not strictly communist would be incorrect.
Antifa in the UK, EU and US are ardent revolutionaries.
Saying there is no moral equivalence between them and Neo Nazis may very well be correct, but you can’t use a party manifesto to deny that communists or Nazis aren’t communist or Nazi.
The same is probably true of ardent revolutionaries in the US.
Edited.
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“For every CEO that drops out of the Manufacturing Council, I have many to take their place. Grandstanders should not have gone on. JOBS!”
Does Trump think in order for a tweet to go through you have to have a single capitalized word at the end with an exclamation point? It’s pretty dumb…I mean
SAD!
This is also a UK paper, I would add. Where liberalism has a vastly divergent political meaning to the US. One can be a Tory liberal or a Labour liberal here.
I cannot comment on UK politics. But I stand behind my statement re the nonexistence of ‘Dem anarchists,’ as well as the oxymoronic nature of the concept.
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As I am not the commenter who posted the original link, your point of contention is not with me. If the paper’s comment was misinterpreted, you’ll need to take it up with her.
My bad. Long thread with many replies. So I hope you’ll forgive my friendly fire.
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There may well be no properly understood dem communist anarchists. But these activists may not properly understand that either.
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“Republicans need to acknowledge an uncomfortable truth: Their party supported and still supports Trump, who feeds the monster of white resentment and who focuses their anger, fear and frustration on minorities. The memes that immigrants are “stealing our jobs”; Christianity is a persecuted religion in the United States; Mexican immigrants are “murderers”; and millions of illegal immigrants voted in the election have given white nationalists rhetorical cover to propound their even more extreme racist views. Bannon and company have introduced in the Oval Office the “blood and soil” definition of nationalism, the suggestion that the media is the enemy of the people and a nonstop attack on the truth. They refused to abandon a presidential candidate who attacked a federal court judge on the basis of race, for heaven’s sake.”
[…]
“And so we come to the present. Unless and until Trump is impeached, resigns or loses reelection, he and his brand of politics dominate the GOP. The only means to free itself of the yoke of Trump is to discard the personnel and policies that embody his white racial resentment ploy. With a unified voice, Republicans can denounce the president’s alt-right advisers, the voting fraud commission (which itself is a fraud), the proposed pardon of anti-immigrant hero Joe Arpaio and other symbols of Trump’s identification with white grievance. The GOP either rejects Trump or once and for all it sacrifices the Party of Lincoln to a ragtag band of white nationalists — some more subtle than others but all an anathema to American democracy.”
My comment: Please note that Jennifer Rubin is a conservative columnist. (Her column header is Right Turn.)
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