Wow that is awful.
I wonder if Trump will meet with the KKK in the White House the way Obama met with BLM leaders and other left wing trouble makers?
Oh wait…no one talked much about that so I guess it doesn’t matter.
That freakin Trump IMPEACH HIM!!!
I wasn’t referring to college types trying to do their thing unmolested.
I am suggesting the same 10 that are here screaming about the same issue (l hate Trump, Trump is a nazi, Trump is an idiot, ad infinitum) would be be better served stepping back from the commentary and enriching their own sphere of influence.
@antiquity it appears @anon71262119 has replied more elegantly and expeditiously than l. However, l will disagree that the violent Leftists are just burning out. Changing their names, while violently attempting to reconfigure society to their vision goes back to at least the 50s and 60s. Obviously speaking on large scale demonstrations, not isolated one offs dating to earliest days.
@H_factor Mostly l post here to hear opinions on a variety of topics. Unfortunately most of PWI posting for a year is bitching about Trump’s shortcomings or blaming the world’s problems on him. You want to get on here and declare that espousing racial supremacy is morally repugnant - ok. You want to endlessly complain about Trump, well it is a bit like having a friend whose only conversation is how awful his job, boss, company, pay is. Over and over and over.
This is moral equivalency of the sort Trump offered yesterday. Truth is, there is nothing on the left that stands in relation to the Democratic Party the way the Alt-Right stand in relation to the GOP. Nothing. By playing footsie with the Alt-Right over the past few years, the GOP sowed the wind. Now, the entire party is reaping the whirlwind. Does that mean every Republican is welcoming to the ideas of these individuals? Of course not. But in the wake of Charlottesville, how many Republican elected officials have displayed moral courage and publicly, explicitly repudiated them? Depressingly few, IMO.
I would call this What-Aboutism, but the events listed are so insignificant in comparison to Charlottesville, that to do so would be an insult to What-Aboutism.
"Obama condemned the more extreme [BLM] voices, while defending the movement as a whole.
“In a movement like Black Lives Matter there are always going to be folks who say things that are stupid or imprudent or over generalized or harsh,” Obama said after meeting with acting Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy.
“Whenever those of us who are concerned about fairness in the criminal justice system attack police officers, you are doing a disservice to the cause,” Obama said, calling violence against police a “reprehensible” crime that needs to be prosecuted. “But even rhetorically, if we paint police in broad brush without recognizing that the vast majority of police officers are doing a really good job and are trying to protect people … if the rhetoric does not recognize that, then we’re going to lose allies in the reform cause.”
Bingo. There is no leftist with a backstory that is the moral equivalent of Duke’s who feels emboldened to participate in massive marches intended to ‘fulfill the promises of Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi.’
Sorry folks, but the GOP is simply on the wrong side of history at present. Doesn’t mean you can’t get back on the right side (Lord knows, you’ve been there before). But you’re not going to get there by denying where you are at the moment.
While I agree with a large chunk of what you wrote, I’d that this particular statement is entirely overgeneralized. Parties are not monolithic, a fact I know you and others have hammered Zeb with numerous times in partisan debate. I’d respectfully submit that your opinion here has more to do with your chosen political bias than fact. Note that I’m not disagreeing that Trump and Bannon we’re more than content to conveniently ignore the far racially motivated right and/or actively avoid any responding condemnation. Far from it. I absolutely abhor the fact that Bannon is anywhere near the White House, and of course my thoughts on Trump are well known. On the other hand casting an entire party as complicit and hence on the wrong side of history is, I feel, a very unjustified generalization.
Treco. My suggestion from someone whom has been on this Forum from almost the beginning?
Take a break. I have…and more than once.
For those whom have been here a while…the Forum literally turned into one of Orthodox Christianity…and I mean LITERALLY… I left for quite a while…
And I don’t have to tell you how many times I’ve had to take a break over the years when it was anti-Obama…day after day after day after day…
Take a break, my friend. Then come back. (if you choose).
It’s a good time to reflect on what you truly believe.
Doesn’t this presume that the said 10 aren’t doing this in addition to debating here on PWI? Why presume that?
The GOP controls the WH, the Senate and the House.
The President’s response was one of moral equivalence (when it wasn’t incoherent).
I haven’t heard a peep from the Senate Majority Leader.
I haven’t heard a peep from the Speaker of the House.
I can count on one hand the number of Republican elected officials who have forcefully denounced the Alt-Right in the wake of Ch’ville.
If these individuals don’t represent the established, accepted views of the GOP, who does?
I will say it again…
Trump will either go down as one of the greatest, most transformative Presidents we have ever known…
Or he will self-destruct from his own ego and Pride.
There will be no “in-between”. In eight short months, Trump has essentially assured that.
Where this narrative ends is all up to him…
The forum was anti obama and anti bush before that. Pretty typical of the politics forum to largely discuss the President. We have less people posting on the forum than before (site wide trend) so it’s pretty quiet.
I would also argue that it has been harder for people to defend Trump so you don’t see it here. Sure Zeb pops himself out or one or his aliases from time to time but even he can’t say anything good about the clown in chief he can just say the left like a weird form of political Tourette’s
I disagree with BLM’s broad generalizations and their suggested solutions (especially those voices that have advocated or hinted toward violence). But there is no moral equivalence between BLM and the Alt-Right, and suggesting so is ghastly.
BLM may have it all wrong tactically, but their concern is a legitimate one - worries over police brutality against minorities. Maybe you (royal you) think they overstate and dramatize the problem.
Maybe you think the problem is real, but BLM advocates bad strategies to solve it. Whatever - everyone agrees the problem they want to fix - if it exists - is bad and worthy of fixing: police brutality against minorities. The cause is real and legitimate. BLM’s Means are objectionable and in some cases downright vile, but the End is morally upright.
Not so with the Alt-Right. There is no kernel of legitimacy to the cause they’re advocating for (and using violence to advance). Their Means and the End they want - white supremacy - are morally repugnant.
So, this nonsense of “darny darn, both sides have their darn extremists, amirite, and darn them all” is a shameful, false moral equivalence.
(Not aiming any of this at you, of course, just ranting from a point you made.)
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If that’s original…you better have it patented QUICK!
Outstanding!
LOL…So if Trump condemns the more extreme voices of the various white supremacist groups and left the others alone then he’d be A Okay in your book right?
Bwhaha
That’s a really lousy way of not answering the above post. But then again what can you say?
I understand…: :
I guess this sums up why it’s difficult to find common ground. To say BLM is inherently evil and = KKK in terms of extremism is crazy. As a California resident, I know people who openly support BLM, and would have no problem having them at my house or meeting them for lunch. They are peaceful, kind people that want gasp law enforcement officers to treat all races fairly. The fact that “black” is part of it is specifically because many black americans feel that they are especially unfairly targeted by police officers. It’s no different than supporting “breast cancer awareness”. It doesn’t mean you are in favor of lung cancer and couldn’t care less about prostrate cancer.
Now, personally I would not invite a KKK member to lunch, or have a beer with a neo Nazi. If I’m wrong, and these are well intentioned folk who I just haven’t had a chance to get to know, please correct me.
Exactly. While we may all disagree with violence or individual actions within any group, how can you equate the philosophies of the neo-Nazis white nationalists with anything on the left?
If? He had the chance to do exactly that. He didn’t.
Also, rather than just condemning “the more extreme voices of the various white supremacist groups,” I would have preferred he condemn all of them.
@Mufasa
I have already been taking my own suggestion. As much due to time commitmemts as anything, my time here has drastically dropped.
@H_factor Sure youre right (never thought l would write that ha), but there are also world issues which get little play. Trump has sucked all of the oxygen out of this board like he did the room in the debates.
@thunderbolt23 Question withdrawn … lol
Exactly what type of post could anyone make that is critical of the right that doesn’t immediately get you to say “but what about…?”
If I had any idea what I could reply to you that wouldn’t get responded with that then I would.
Your first post on this whole you know we had nazis marching on our streets was this brings up the question about the left.
How about maybe not having a known white supremacist leader as one of your political advisors? How about saying it’s fucked up we have actual people with the nazi flag and guns on a street? You don’t think that itself might warrant a little discussion?
I know I know Obama is just a verbal tick you have and maybe you can’t help it but let’s try.
Nazis marched in a unite the right gathering (again Nazis) and your first thought was well the left.
I would have preferred that Obama condemn the race riots in Baltimore and in other major cities…But…he never did.
Hmm, I don’t recall any “race riots” during Obama’s presidency. Riots over police misconduct, yes. But no ‘race riots.’