Trump adds 5000 more jobs
Tired of winning?
This is an interesting quick glance of what the 2 major parties were representing throughout their history as combatants. If anyone has a book going deeper, I would have an interest.
http://us-presidents.insidegov.com/stories/3613/republicans-democrats-switch-platform
Racist conspiracy theory aside, you do understand that immigration is dependent on both push and pull factors? Due to the post WW2 increase in living standards in Europe and Europe-wide labor shortages it’s only logical that immigration from European countries would drop.
For example, the heyday of Swedish immigration in the US around the turn of the last century coincides with massive unemployment in Sweden proper caused by an ambitious program of modernization.
Fun fact that will definitely freak you @therajraj out - in the late 19th century Swedes emigrating into the US weren’t always considered “white” by Anglo-Saxon standards.
So your stated preference for “British Isles culture” in the US would mean bad news for Minnesotans, I guess?
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[quote=“EyeDentist, post:1083, topic:223365, full:true”]
That seems to be ducking my point. Apparently, immigrants from Europe voted for leftist programs in their countries of origin; why would they be unwilling to do so here?[/quote]
This is an irrelevant question as far as I’m concerned. What matters is how they vote when they get here. Whites overwhelmingly vote on the right.
[quote=“EyeDentist, post:1083, topic:223365, full:true”]
What does ‘Latino’ have to do with it?[/quote]
Immigration is a long term multi-generational country transforming policy. Latinos/Hispanics (I use these terms to describe Mexican and central American immigrants) overwhelmingly vote for large government policies. This is how they are culturally and when you import people, you also import their cultures.
[quote=“EyeDentist, post:1083, topic:223365, full:true”]
I don’t follow your logic here at all. Welfare rates among Hispanics can be/has been measured directly; why would anyone need to infer it from literacy data?[/quote]
You were skeptical of the CIS data, I’m adding more evidence to support the idea hispanics take large doses of welfare.
Why does have to be all ? I’m pointing out a general trend. It doesn’t have to be an absolute to be mostly true.
I’m mostly focusing on Latinos/ because they are the largest immigrant groups to come to the US the past few decades.
Bad news? Nope, a moratorium on immigration would give any possible assimilation to occur.
Let’s focus on what matters guys.
This Immigration debate has gone stale for me now that the election is over. I’m not working today otherwise I would have just dropped it.
Irrelevant. The rate among minorities during the relevant period could have been 100%, it doesn’t matter because native white votes overwhelmed - what drove the move to the “left” was millions upon millions of white people voting for liberal candidates.
Plus, during the New Deal era, the minorities that had such high “rates” of voting liberally you (incorrectly) blame for the turn to the “left” were of European descent. So, large amounts of white native born voted liberal, and large amounts of white foreign born voted liberal.
Your theory is toast.
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The failure of the GOP among Hispanics is a failure of advocacy. If the Tory party in the UK can be projected to sweep the labour heartlands of Northern England, then reading current electoral preferences as destiny is short sighted.
The tragedy of Trump is the failure to defeat identitarian politics by argument, rather than imitation
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While it’s true that right-voters in the US are overwhelmingly white, the reverse is not always the case; eg, Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996. And if we go back further, the percent of the non-right white vote goes much higher.
But the western Europeans who immigrate also come from cultures that “overwhelmingly vote for large government policies.” But despite this, they (per you) end up voting Republican. Why the different outcome?
OK, so are you arguing that most immigrant groups with poor English skills want more welfare programs, or is it just Hispanics/Latinos?
9,000 down, 24,991,000 to go…
Yes it’s true a notable percentage of whites also vote for liberal policies but generally whites vote overwhelmingly right while non-whites vote overwhelmingly for leftist socialist policies. The reality is if we lived in 1970 US demographics, Hillary Clinton would have zero chance to win this past election.
Lastly I’m not assigning “blame” I’m pointing out that demographics matter. They shape the country and the direction in which it heads.
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I addressed this in the post to TB
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My guess would be europeans have an easier time assimilating into another European derived culture as opposed to a 3rd world immigrant.
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I’m pointing out that a disproportionate percentage of latinos are illiterate and Mexico is a major source of immigration. I’ve posted multiple times that the US spends billions on limited English students.
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Actually the aggregate of jobs he’s added thus far is around ~70,000.
Here’s the deal for anyone (TB included) that espouses free market/limited government principles.
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You hold onto these principles while adopting an anti-immigration stance
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You withdraw from these principles and accept that you value mass immigration above all else, but at least acknowledging you can have one but not the other.
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You continue to hold onto your free market principles while supporting mass immigration. You self rationalize your hypocrisy and cowardice by reframing it as tolerance.
It’s not a “notable” percentage, that’s a dodge - the entire course of modern American politics turned “left” thanks to white people in the 1930s (the 1830s, too, for that matter). Thus, your theory that white people overwhelmingly and consistently vote for “the right” is simply and factually untrue.
Everything you claim is based on a notion that white people have voted for “the right” since the founding of the Republic, and immigrants threaten this political homogeneity because they vote “for the left.” At every turn, you’ve been shown that’s an absurd theory - see above, and the fact that, as EyeDentist notes, non-American whites vote for “the left” all the time, both in the US and in other countries.
Now that your preposterous theory - probably picked up at Stormfront - has been annhiliated, will you stop peddling it?
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It’s not a “notable” percentage, that’s a dodge - the entire course of modern American politics turned “left” thanks to white people in the 1930s (the 1830s, too, for that matter). Thus, your theory that white people overwhelmingly and consistently vote for “the right” is simply and factually untrue.[/quote]
The horrors of communism made selling leftists policies to Europeans difficult. Hence the act of 1965
I’m not a free market absolutist, but in any event, there is nothing contradictory in being free market and pro-mass immigration. Your sequence makes no sense.
A fabrication, but more to the point, it does nothing to rebut anything just pointed out.
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I was puzzled by this as well. If anything, free markets abhor arbitrary restrictions on the movement of labor, just as they do restrictions on the movement of capital and goods.
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OK guys I’m all immigration discussioned out. If you think I’m the next hitler because I’m anti immigration and think demographics matter I’ll live.
Now for some more evidence setting the right tone at the top can do wonders for the economy. People’s attitudes and Outlook shape economic decisions
That’s only true in the absence of a welfare state. Otherwise it’s just one big entitlement grab
Translation: the foundation on which I base my beliefs has been exploded, I have no rebuttal, so I’m changing the subject.
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